New CAP Driver's License application process in eServices

[vento]

Did anybody use the newly launched CAP Driver's License application process in eServices?
It is supposed to be the new way to obtain a CAP Driver's License and the qualification would show up on the 101 card.

I've sent my application in, but so far haven't heard anything back yet (confirmation e-mail).

[Eclipse]

Just entered my request for renewal.

My wing gets the abstracts for us, so it will be interesting to see how that works.

[wuzafuzz]

My CAP DL expires next month when my state DL expires.  It will be interesting to see how this process works.

Why does CAP bother with an internal license?  It adds extra administrative burden without any clear benefit I'm aware of.  It might be different if we had to take a "check-ride."  My CAP DL was purely a paper chase.

[Eclipse]

There's plenty of people on the road who can legally drive that we don't want anywhere near a COV.

DUI's with hardship licenses, people with a history of accidents, people with lots of tickets, people with lots of parking tickets, people with certain
specific restrictions on their licenses, etc.

These are automatic disqualifiers for a CAP license, while they could certainly be on the road in many states:

DUI/DWI
Three or more moving violations
Six or more non-moving violations
Reckless driving
Vehicle felony (hit and run; negligent homicide; theft; assault with a motor vehicle)
License revocation is automatic permanent CAP DL revocation.

[wuzafuzz]

^ Good points all around.  I hadn't thought it through that far.

[Spaceman3750]

Just entered my request for renewal.

My wing gets the abstracts for us, so it will be interesting to see how that works.

I can tell you from a conversation with the wing transportation officer on Thursday that they're still not sure what they're going to do with that application.

[Eclipse]

Just entered my request for renewal.

My wing gets the abstracts for us, so it will be interesting to see how that works.

I can tell you from a conversation with the wing transportation officer on Thursday that they're still not sure what they're going to do with that application.

Other than eliminating the paper, I don't see what the issue is - member enters their info, LGT reviews and uploads the abstract.
Click, approve, done.

[Spaceman3750]

Just entered my request for renewal.

My wing gets the abstracts for us, so it will be interesting to see how that works.

I can tell you from a conversation with the wing transportation officer on Thursday that they're still not sure what they're going to do with that application.

Other than eliminating the paper, I don't see what the issue is - member enters their info, LGT reviews and uploads the abstract.
Click, approve, done.

She said something about a wet signature . *nudge nudge*

Just kidding, but that's kind of along the lines of what I said. Instead of having to track down each commander, they can just click a button when it pops up. Though, there are still squadron and group commanders in our wing that don't acknolwedge the existence of computers and still fax activity approvals to wing...

[Eclipse]

Though, there are still squadron and group commanders in our wing that don't acknolwedge the existence of computers and still fax activity approvals to wing...

Yeah, no kidding, that and snail mail.  Ugh.

Working it, but it's slow.

[Angus]

I haven't see it yet. where on exervices is it located? 

Never mind found it. 

[Spaceman3750]

Why is there no box next to the 8/9 passenger authorization and why is there no 12pac authorization?

[ßτε]

I haven't see it yet. where on exervices is it located?

Operations Qualifications (and My Operations Qualifications).

[ßτε]

Why is there no box next to the 8/9 passenger authorization and why is there no 12pac authorization?

They aren't on yours? They appear on mine.

[Spaceman3750]

Must be because I'm under 21. Hm. Oh well, that problem will go away in a few months.

[Phil Hirons, Jr.]

The directions link shows the lists based on age

[Eclipse]

Must be because I'm under 21. Hm. Oh well, that problem will go away in a few months.

Yes, under 21 the options are limited.

[manfredvonrichthofen]

Has anything changed about what we are required to produce for one?

[Eclipse]

Has anything changed about what we are required to produce for one?

Not that I can see.

Requirements -

Age check (18)
Copy of current Driver's License
Copy of current driving abstract

Still requires you renew your state DL before renewing your CAPDL.

[manfredvonrichthofen]

So the CAPDL is a four year thing? I didn't think anything in CAP lasted over three years without renewal.

[Eclipse]

So the CAPDL is a four year thing? I didn't think anything in CAP lasted over three years without renewal.

Everything I can find says that your CAP ID is concurrent with your state driver's license, and that's the way its always worked in my wing.
No idea if that is any different in a state like Arizona where a license is good until your 65th birthday.

[ßτε]

So the CAPDL is a four year thing? I didn't think anything in CAP lasted over three years without renewal.

Everything I can find says that your CAP ID is concurrent with your state driver's license, and that's the way its always worked in my wing.
No idea if that is any different in a state like Arizona where a license is good until your 65th birthday.

The CAPDL is valid for no more than 5 years. It needs to be renewed every 5 years or when the state DL is renewed, whichever is sooner.

[Eclipse]

So the CAPDL is a four year thing? I didn't think anything in CAP lasted over three years without renewal.

Everything I can find says that your CAP ID is concurrent with your state driver's license, and that's the way its always worked in my wing.
No idea if that is any different in a state like Arizona where a license is good until your 65th birthday.

The CAPDL is valid for no more than 5 years. It needs to be renewed every 5 years or when the state DL is renewed, whichever is sooner.

Is that in 77-1?

[jeders]

So the CAPDL is a four year thing? I didn't think anything in CAP lasted over three years without renewal.

Everything I can find says that your CAP ID is concurrent with your state driver's license, and that's the way its always worked in my wing.
No idea if that is any different in a state like Arizona where a license is good until your 65th birthday.

The CAPDL is valid for no more than 5 years. It needs to be renewed every 5 years or when the state DL is renewed, whichever is sooner.

Is that in 77-1?

Yes. Paragraph 1-5 h if you can't find it.

[Eclipse]

Yes. Paragraph 1-5 h if you can't find it.

Danke - well, there you go...

[davidsinn]

So the CAPDL is a four year thing? I didn't think anything in CAP lasted over three years without renewal.

Everything I can find says that your CAP ID is concurrent with your state driver's license, and that's the way its always worked in my wing.
No idea if that is any different in a state like Arizona where a license is good until your 65th birthday.

The CAPDL is valid for no more than 5 years. It needs to be renewed every 5 years or when the state DL is renewed, whichever is sooner.

Well that sucks. My DL is good for six years. Have to renew the CAP DL and then do it again after a year when my DL expires.

[SARDOC]

Well that sucks. My DL is good for six years. Have to renew the CAP DL and then do it again after a year when my DL expires.

I was thinking the same thing...My OL is good for 7 years...just enough to make it inconvenient.

[Lord of the North]

The five year expiration of CAP DL is nothing new.  The oldest CAPR 77-1 I have is the 1 SEPTEMBER 2003 issue and the requirement is there and it is not an update.  Strange that all of the people who know so much about other areas of CAP don't seem to know a long standing requirement.

[Eclipse]

If your state has a less than 5 year DL renewal, it never comes up.

[davidsinn]

The five year expiration of CAP DL is nothing new.  The oldest CAPR 77-1 I have is the 1 SEPTEMBER 2003 issue and the requirement is there and it is not an update.  Strange that all of the people who know so much about other areas of CAP don't seem to know a long standing requirement.

I've only had to renew the CAP DL once so far and the six year cycle for my state DL is a fluke as they convert to a new method of renewals.

[Private Investigator]

There's plenty of people on the road who can legally drive that we don't want anywhere near a COV.

+1

When I was a Squadron Commander I turned people down for their CAP drivers license. Interesting thing I never got a grivance or a call from higher headquarters about it either.   

[a2capt]

Well that sucks. My DL is good for six years. Have to renew the CAP DL and then do it again after a year when my DL expires.

Well, then the next time, they'll match. After that, it'll be the next four cycles for them to match again. By then you can get the 50 year membership.

[Eclipse]

I received an approval email today for a CAPDL renewal request, so that's a good sign on the implementation of the new module.

That's the first time I've ever received an email out of Operations Qualifications.

[Spaceman3750]

I received an approval email today for a CAPDL renewal request, so that's a good sign on the implementation of the new module.

That's the first time I've ever received an email out of Operations Qualifications.

*hides the keys*

[arajca]

I received an approval email today for a CAPDL renewal request, so that's a good sign on the implementation of the new module.

That's the first time I've ever received an email out of Operations Qualifications.

How is it annotated on yuor 101 card? I'm still waiting for my wing level approval.

[Eclipse]

Haven't seen my personal one go through yet, wing has to pull the abstract for me.

This was for someone else's.  I've got some temp rights in LG or a project I'm helping with.

[vento]

I received an approval email today for a CAPDL renewal request, so that's a good sign on the implementation of the new module.

That's the first time I've ever received an email out of Operations Qualifications.

Hmm, I haven't received anything yet, not even the confirmation about receiving my application.

I've followed the instructions, but just to make sure, we are not supposed to type anything into "Member driving record verified compliant with CAPR...", correct?

[Eclipse]

When I sent my personal one up, I didn't receive anything, either.

Correct - that is for the approver to check once they have reviewed your record.

[vento]

Thanks Eclipse for sharing the info.

[mikebank]

You can go back and look at the module, and it will show you who has approved it and sent it on up...

[greatdane1945]

Answers from NHQ concerning new DL procedure:

Your announcement brings a few questions to mind...

CAPR 77-1 limits the time period that a CAP DL can be issued for to 5 years. Is the new program limiting everyone to 5 years max or will the CAP DL expire at the same time the state DL expires? The CAP DL will now expire at the same time the state DL expires. If so, when will CAPR 77-1 be up-graded to permit 5+ year CAP DL's?

"There will be an admin change to the CAPR 77-1 to reflect this change soon."

Our wing supplement states that one must be 21+ to obtain a CAP DL (from our wing). I would guess the 'approver' can deny approval to those within our wing who are under 21.

"That's correct".

Will the current CAPF 75 be phased out or just completely dropped?

"Eventually the CAPF 75 will be phased out and all will be required to carry the CAPF101. When a member's grandfathered CAP driver's license expires and/or state driver's license expires, they must use the online system to obtain a new CAP driver's license."


Will wings have the option of continuing to issue 75's?

"No, when a member's grandfathered CAP driver's license expires and/or state driver's license expires, they must use the online system to obtain a new CAP driver's license. "


Will authorized personnel be able to access a 'listing' of DL's issued, expiration dates, etc.

"Yes"

Hope this clears up some of questions raised by others.

[RogueLeader]

Thank you, and welcome to captalk.

[Nathan]

Ew. I hate having to pay to access my own records.

[Eclipse]

"Eventually the CAPF 75 will be phased out and all will be required to carry the CAPF101.

One would have to presume then, that by that eventuality, 101's will have some method of being issued to those not involved with ES, then. 

There's lot's of people who drive COV's who aren't.

[Eclipse]

Ew. I hate having to pay to access my own records.

Are you referring to having to pull a state abstract?

[PHall]

Ew. I hate having to pay to access my own records.

Are you referring to having to pull a state abstract?

In California it costs $5.  We've always had to pay to get a copy of your driving record.

[Eclipse]

In Illinois it's $15, but the Wing has an agreement with the DMV and they get them for free.

[a2capt]

If you deal with a legacy insurance company, (Allstate, Farmers, Payusmore, etc. ) with the agent (everyone takes a piece) structure, you can usually get a report from them for nothing. ... of course, they're going to look at it, too. ;-)

[jeders]

"Eventually the CAPF 75 will be phased out and all will be required to carry the CAPF101.

One would have to presume then, that by that eventuality, 101's will have some method of being issued to those not involved with ES, then. 

There's lot's of people who drive COV's who aren't.

I've always been involved in ES, so I don't know if this is true. Can't anyone print their own 101 card from eServices, even if it's blank? I know as an ESO I can print a member's "blank" 101.

[Camas]

Anyone can print his/her own CAPF101 card from e-services and I believe you might be able to print cards from other members of your own unit as well. As you are an ESO you also have permissions to edit and update other member's cards.

I have a CAPF75 from the WMU that our wing has used in the past. So now what must I do to get this updated in e-services? I'm sure I've missed something.

[ßτε]

Anyone can print his/her own CAPF101 card from e-services and I believe you might be able to print cards from other members of your own unit as well. As you are an ESO you also have permissions to edit and update other member's cards.

I have a CAPF75 from the WMU that our wing has used in the past. So now what must I do to get this updated in e-services? I'm sure I've missed something.

I think anyone can print anyone elses CAPF 101.

If you currently have a CAPF 75, it is valid until your state DL is renewed, or 5 years from issue, whichever is sooner. You do not need to update it until it expires at which time you will use eServices.

[PHall]

Anyone can print his/her own CAPF101 card from e-services and I believe you might be able to print cards from other members of your own unit as well. As you are an ESO you also have permissions to edit and update other member's cards.

I have a CAPF75 from the WMU that our wing has used in the past. So now what must I do to get this updated in e-services? I'm sure I've missed something.

I think anyone can print anyone elses CAPF 101.

If you currently have a CAPF 75, it is valid until your state DL is renewed, or 5 years from issue, whichever is sooner. You do not need to update it until it expires at which time you will use eServices.

The first part of your statement is correct. Your current CAPF 75 is good until your state drivers licence expires.
When you renew your state DL, you need to renew your CAP DL using e-services.

Once I uploaded my current state DL and my driving record and submitted it, I had an approved CAP DL in about 48 hours. YMMV.
In CAWG it needs approvals at the squadron, group and wing level.

[ßτε]

Phil,

I am not sure what you found to be incorrect with my post. Once your DL expires, you need to update the CAP DL in eServices.

[Eclipse]

Here's what the new DL looks like on the 101 card.



Pretty much a painless process, especially if your wing is getting the abstract for you.

[SarDragon]

I got my own abstract, and it was still really easy.

Also, I found out that the uploaded docs are dumped when the license is approved, so they aren't sitting out there unattended on the 'Net.

[arajca]

That is done intentionally and even says so in the instructions.

Everyone's DL requires approval at their unit level and all higher echelons to wing.

While most wings use the expiration date of your state issued license, some do not, particularly those with 10 year licenses.

[Eclipse]

Also, I found out that the uploaded docs are dumped when the license is approved, so they aren't sitting out there unattended on the 'Net.

Yep - mine were gone as son as the approval come through.