California Form 91 Check Pilots

[a2capt]

Someone will just invent a better fool. It's a never ending game of chase and be chased.

[SarDragon]

And there you have it!

[a2capt]

The pilot was conducting a predator (coyote) control flight over private rangeland near Fort Peck. During the flight, at a reported altitude of approximately 40 feet above ground level (AGL), the passenger inadvertently discharged a semiautomatic 12-gauge shotgun. The pilot, who was seated in the forward seat, reported that the gun fired 3-4 times, striking the right wing, fuel tank and aileron assembly. He reported that the damage resulted in a loss of aileron and elevator control. The airplane entered a descending turn to the right and subsequently impacted terrain in a nose-low attitude. The pilot reported the aircraft was on fire upon touchdown and continued to burn after the impact.

40 ft AGL. .. sneeze and an airplane can move 20 ft. Enter a turn while sneezing, and if that movement is downward, that wing dip could be another 10 feet ...

A shotgun in a low wing aircraft, presumably out the door. The door opens over .. what?
Yeah. Just one example .. 

We need regulations because of silly stuff like this.

[PHall]

The pilot was conducting a predator (coyote) control flight over private rangeland near Fort Peck. During the flight, at a reported altitude of approximately 40 feet above ground level (AGL), the passenger inadvertently discharged a semiautomatic 12-gauge shotgun. The pilot, who was seated in the forward seat, reported that the gun fired 3-4 times, striking the right wing, fuel tank and aileron assembly. He reported that the damage resulted in a loss of aileron and elevator control. The airplane entered a descending turn to the right and subsequently impacted terrain in a nose-low attitude. The pilot reported the aircraft was on fire upon touchdown and continued to burn after the impact.

40 ft AGL. .. sneeze and an airplane can move 20 ft. Enter a turn while sneezing, and if that movement is downward, that wing dip could be another 10 feet ...

A shotgun in a low wing aircraft, presumably out the door. The door opens over .. what?
Yeah. Just one example .. 

We need regulations because of silly stuff like this.

Read it again, they were on a predator control flight, i.e. hunting coyotes from the air. That's why they had the shotgun in the aircraft.
Now the right seaters total lack of muzzle control...

[a2capt]

I know.  It was more about the muzzle controller, and my perception of a poor choice of aircraft for this mission.  But the comment about operating in such a tight window of movement area.

They have at least hired the Tamil Tigers... 

[jeders]

Kind of reminds me of a story my grandpa told from back in the 50's. Only he just shot one hole in the wing of a piper cub in winter in Nebraska doing coyote hunting.

[pblank]

I normally don't 'hang around' in these forums but a fellow member suggested that I check out this thread.

There is a lot more to the CAWG 60-1 supplement than just the requirement that newly minted MCP's must be CFI's.  A new version of the CAWG supplement has been approved by the PLR and Region and is now awaiting final publication by National.  It will remove the restricted area language (thank goodness from my perspective), clarify the multiple CAPF 5 failure issues and add qualification requirements for Turbo aircraft as well as G500 aircraft. 

BTW, at the present time, CAWG has 162 Mission Pilots - 25 Mission Check Pilots and 13 Mission Check Pilot Examiners. 

Phil

[starshippe]

. . the supplement does not say that a mission check pilot has to be a cfi.

bill

[Check Pilot/Tow Pilot]

. . the supplement does not say that a mission check pilot has to be a cfi.

bill

CAPR 60-1 CA WING SUPPLEMENT 1, 21 FEB 2010

3-7 j. (Added)  The following additional requirements must be met:
• Mission Check Pilots and Mission Check Pilot Examiners must hold a current CFI certificate
prior to designation and must maintain the currency of that certificate

[starshippe]

. . oops. i read that as form 5 check pilots and mission check pilot examiners.

bill