Emergency Alert - WV Division of Homeland Security and Emergency Management

Started by C/MSgt Lunsford, February 03, 2010, 09:37:21 PM

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Spike

Lake-effect can travel as far as 100 miles North, South, East and West so says my World Book Encyclopedia circa 1957.

Guess between 1957 and 2010, weather facts have changed somewhat??

C/MSgt Lunsford

Quote from: TACP on February 10, 2010, 09:36:43 AM
Wikipedia info is good as the sources that provide it, some of which are great. The C/SrA will learn about it in school someday.
Actually... our School Board for the county has the Wikipedia Website Blocked on their servers because of inaccurate information. Anyone can go into an article and edit it.

Quote from: SarDragon on February 10, 2010, 08:12:58 AM
Pretty harsh there, aren't you? Not all articles are great, nor are all as bad as you make them out to be. The one I linked has a lot of good references behind it. I have a couple of weather guesser friends who happen to agree with what's in the article. One of them may have even contributed.

I don't think it is harsh... it is the truth. Why use information that is possibly contaminated by the stupidity of other people. (The ones that add information when they don't know what they are talking about.)

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N Harmon

Quote from: C/SrA Lunsford on February 10, 2010, 05:18:09 PMActually... our School Board for the county has the Wikipedia Website Blocked on their servers because of inaccurate information. Anyone can go into an article and edit it.

Does your school have a copy of Encyclopedia Britannica? Because there have been a few studies that say the two are about the same as far as accuracy is concerned.

QuoteI don't think it is harsh... it is the truth. Why use information that is possibly contaminated by the stupidity of other people. (The ones that add information when they don't know what they are talking about.)

Perhaps you have not learned the difference between primary and secondary sources. Wikipedia is a secondary source, so you wouldn't rely on it's information for research. However Wikipedia is also a great place to find primary sources since they operate under strict rules for verifiability.
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C/MSgt Lunsford

Quote from: N Harmon on February 10, 2010, 06:53:11 PM
Quote from: C/SrA Lunsford on February 10, 2010, 05:18:09 PMActually... our School Board for the county has the Wikipedia Website Blocked on their servers because of inaccurate information. Anyone can go into an article and edit it.

Does your school have a copy of Encyclopedia Britannica? Because there have been a few studies that say the two are about the same as far as accuracy is concerned.

QuoteI don't think it is harsh... it is the truth. Why use information that is possibly contaminated by the stupidity of other people. (The ones that add information when they don't know what they are talking about.)

Perhaps you have not learned the difference between primary and secondary sources. Wikipedia is a secondary source, so you wouldn't rely on it's information for research. However Wikipedia is also a great place to find primary sources since they operate under strict rules for verifiability.

It is the simple fact that Wikipedia can be edited... so there is not a 100% Guarantee that your information will be as accurate as a site that gets it's information from Primary Sources. Wikipedia is just there to make money. Why did the creator of Wikipedia ask for $5,000,000? I do not know... but you don't need that much money to run a website. And when you run that big of a website, then ADs and random donations will cover costs. Not a plea for $5,000,000.

Also it is my simple Opinion that Wikipedia is a failure of info source.

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Spike

Wikipedia is a business just like google and the rest of information finding resources. 

Short Field

I can fully understand why a school would block Wikipedia - students are suppose to learn how to research and not rely on one-stop shopping for "facts".  However, for the casual user, it is fine - with the caveat you really need to search out some other sources if you are seriously interested in the accuracy of the data.

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N Harmon

Quote from: C/SrA Lunsford on February 10, 2010, 07:09:54 PMWikipedia is just there to make money. Why did the creator of Wikipedia ask for $5,000,000? I do not know... but you don't need that much money to run a website. And when you run that big of a website, then ADs and random donations will cover costs. Not a plea for $5,000,000.

Uh, the Wikimedia Foundation, the corporation that operates Wikipedia, is a non-profit 503(c) charity. And while running a simple website may be cheap, running one of the top ten websites in terms of traffic, is not so cheap. Oh, and Wikipedia doesn't have advertising.


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C/MSgt Lunsford

Quote from: N Harmon on February 10, 2010, 08:52:34 PM
Quote from: C/SrA Lunsford on February 10, 2010, 07:09:54 PMWikipedia is just there to make money. Why did the creator of Wikipedia ask for $5,000,000? I do not know... but you don't need that much money to run a website. And when you run that big of a website, then ADs and random donations will cover costs. Not a plea for $5,000,000.

Uh, the Wikimedia Foundation, the corporation that operates Wikipedia, is a non-profit 503(c) charity. And while running a simple website may be cheap, running one of the top ten websites in terms of traffic, is not so cheap. Oh, and Wikipedia doesn't have advertising.

Wikipedia does not directly advertise... but on branched off Wiki's like the famous Call of Duty Wiki, they have ad's all over the place (Look at bottom of page also). These revenues go back to the Wikipedia.

I'm just concerned about the inaccurate information the Wikipedia provides.

Anyway... back on Topic... SNOW.

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SarDragon

Quote from: Spike on February 10, 2010, 03:30:35 PM
Lake-effect can travel as far as 100 miles North, South, East and West so says my World Book Encyclopedia circa 1957.

Guess between 1957 and 2010, weather facts have changed somewhat??

Maybe, maybe not. The info I provided was general in nature, and not meant to establish absolute boundaries on where you get lake-effect snow. One hundred miles from the edges of any of the red zones on the map does not extend any of these zones into the areas in the pictures showing the heavy snow coverage (DC, VA, WV, MD, DE, NJ), hence the point of my post stating that it wasn't lake-effect snow.
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SarDragon

Quote from: Short Field on February 10, 2010, 07:48:18 PM
I can fully understand why a school would block Wikipedia - students are suppose to learn how to research and not rely on one-stop shopping for "facts".  However, for the casual user, it is fine - with the caveat you really need to search out some other sources if you are seriously interested in the accuracy of the data.

Yup, that's why I mentioned all the references at the bottom. I even checked out a couple of them before deciding to use the info.

Wikipedia is heavily moderated, and all entries get vetted. Malicious changes get fixed pretty quickly.

Most of the science articles are right on, and many of those that aren't have notation to that effect. I see it as a great starting point for learning.
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Quote from: C/SrA Lunsford on February 10, 2010, 09:16:47 PM
Quote from: N Harmon on February 10, 2010, 08:52:34 PM
Quote from: C/SrA Lunsford on February 10, 2010, 07:09:54 PMWikipedia is just there to make money. Why did the creator of Wikipedia ask for $5,000,000? I do not know... but you don't need that much money to run a website. And when you run that big of a website, then ADs and random donations will cover costs. Not a plea for $5,000,000.

Uh, the Wikimedia Foundation, the corporation that operates Wikipedia, is a non-profit 503(c) charity. And while running a simple website may be cheap, running one of the top ten websites in terms of traffic, is not so cheap. Oh, and Wikipedia doesn't have advertising.

Wikipedia does not directly advertise... but on branched off Wiki's like the famous Call of Duty Wiki, they have ad's all over the place (Look at bottom of page also). These revenues go back to the Wikipedia.

I'm just concerned about the inaccurate information the Wikipedia provides.

Anyway... back on Topic... SNOW.

The Call of Duty Wiki (along with MANY other wikis) is run by the Wikia corporation. Uses the same software, but a completely different entity. Wikia is for profit.

Wikipedia isn't allowed to post advertisements, due to their 501(c) status.

Not to mention that recent studies have shown that Wikipedia is more accurate than Encyclopedia Britannica. Do take what your teachers say about the internet with a grain of salt.
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Quote from: SarDragon on February 10, 2010, 10:13:22 PM
Quote from: Spike on February 10, 2010, 03:30:35 PM
Lake-effect can travel as far as 100 miles North, South, East and West so says my World Book Encyclopedia circa 1957.

Guess between 1957 and 2010, weather facts have changed somewhat??

Maybe, maybe not. The info I provided was general in nature, and not meant to establish absolute boundaries on where you get lake-effect snow. One hundred miles from the edges of any of the red zones on the map does not extend any of these zones into the areas in the pictures showing the heavy snow coverage (DC, VA, WV, MD, DE, NJ), hence the point of my post stating that it wasn't lake-effect snow.

We do have an ocean right there to the east of us...

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Spike

^ Most storm systems travel West to East.  Very few systems actually manage to come from the Atlantic all the way to West Virginia, except when Warm air comes down from Canada and pulls the cold air off the Atlantic inland.  They then "mingle" with existing storm centers and may (very rarely) travel on a East to West course.

Jet Streams play a huge factor in storm movement and formation on the Eastern Seaboard.  West Virginia (due to surrounding terrain) usually sees very little Atlantic pressure move in.

This storm that has passed recently is a fluke and not anywhere near the norm.

Hook

Spike - Martinsburg, WV is only 70 miles from Chesapeake Bay.....

Spike

^ When I measured on the paper map it came out to over 100 miles.  To the Atlantic is almost 150.