Common Uniform Infractions?

[Stonewall]

There are two options:

1.  Bring the problem to light, even if it hurts someone's feelings, so others who see this will think twice before making the same mistake.  Thus fixing the problem before it occurs.

2.  Ignore it and it will go away.

While #2 would be awesome if it worked, it won't work.

[JCW0312]

6) State Military reserve, salvation Army, or ACA uniforms worn to CAP activities.

ACA? What's that?

American Cadet Alliance: www.militarycadets.org

Founded in 1909, the ACA holds the distinction of being the oldest and longest-serving Cadet organization in the United States.  Veterans of the Corps of Cadets include senior military officers, public officials and business leaders.  All members of the American Cadet Alliance, past and present, have the common bond of pride in their country and a strong belief in its founding principles

Ahh. Thanks.

[Ned]

6) State Military reserve, salvation Army, or ACA uniforms worn to CAP activities.

May I assume that you are referring to "dual-status" CAP members who choose to wear one of their other uniforms while doing their CAP duties?

Cuz if I am using a Salvation Army member as visiting clergy for my ML program, I'm not sure I would be comfortable telling them not to wear their uniform.

7) Queer eye for the straight guy-inspired multi-color squadron caps.

Hmmmm.  We currently give commanders discretion in this area.  Is there some reason that  we should further restrict a commander's discretion if she/he feels that colored BB-style hats are necessary?

I'd hate to second-guess a commander simply because I disagree with her/his discretionary choices.

it's a hard enough job as it is.

[Eclipse]

6) State Military reserve, salvation Army, or ACA uniforms worn to CAP activities.

May I assume that you are referring to "dual-status" CAP members who choose to wear one of their other uniforms while doing their CAP duties?

Cuz if I am using a Salvation Army member as visiting clergy for my ML program, I'm not sure I would be comfortable telling them not to wear their uniform.

I would be and do.

The line must be drawn - if this is a situation where, as you said, on the odd occasion a member participates in an activity and is specifically representing a different organization (i.e. RealMiliatary®, Police, ARC, whatever), that's fine, but their participation would be limited to that specified activity until they change.

On the other hand, if we're talking about a member who insists on wearing some other services uniform out of a misguided idea that it is "cooler", etc., no.  Please change.

[Lt Col T]

Reply to Eclipse: I downloaded the file but Powerpoint says that it cannot open "a file of this type," even though it has the .ppt extension. Any ideas?

[Eclipse]

Goin' PM on this.

BTW - I have the password now if anyone wants to use ours as a basis for theirs, just PM me...

[Hawk200]

I was recently at a large USAF convention.  Hundreds, perhaps thousands, of USAF officers and enlisted blokes were there.  Probably every USAF General that was stateside.  There were about 5-6 CAP members, all in dress blues. 

One looked like they slept in their uniform.

One was clearly overweight for wearing the uniform.

One was wearing their nametag on the wrong side.

Thus, I will always be a proponent for CAP dumping USAF-style uniforms...

Having worn that uniform for ten years active duty and in CAP for nine, I have some issues with your proposal of "dumping" Air Force uniforms.

Eliminating a uniform because of the few bad apples that get caught wearing it with when they shouldn't isn't punishing the person violating the regs, it's punishing those that make a point of meeting the standards to wear it.

EDIT:  personal attacks snipped out.  Knock it off.  TA

[Major Lord]

6) State Military reserve, salvation Army, or ACA uniforms worn to CAP activities.

May I assume that you are referring to "dual-status" CAP members who choose to wear one of their other uniforms while doing their CAP duties?

You may so assume.
Cuz if I am using a Salvation Army member as visiting clergy for my ML program, I'm not sure I would be comfortable telling them not to wear their uniform.

As would I. My concern is with CAP members who wear any other uniform BUT a CAP uniform to meetings.

7) Queer eye for the straight guy-inspired multi-color squadron caps.

Hmmmm.  We currently give commanders discretion in this area.  Is there some reason that  we should further restrict a commander's discretion if she/he feels that colored BB-style hats are necessary?

I'd hate to second-guess a commander simply because I disagree with her/his discretionary choices.

Presumably a commander authorized the female Major shown in the above photos to wear a beret. ( She is also, to put it charitably, a little out of height/weight regs, but the only way to know for sure is to saw them in half and count their rings....wait...that's trees....never mind)  I have no problem with a simple, single colored BB cap. I have seen multiple color caps that are about as appropriate as a Wisconsin cheese-head hat for wear with the uniform. I think we should look to the Air Force for guidance in the selection of caps. I have no agenda to restrict the discretion of Squadron Commanders. ( My 21 year old son is my Squadron Commander, so I may have some bias in this regard)
it's a hard enough job as it is.

Indeed!

[Hawk200]

I was recently at a large USAF convention.  Hundreds, perhaps thousands, of USAF officers and enlisted blokes were there.  Probably every USAF General that was stateside.  There were about 5-6 CAP members, all in dress blues. 

One looked like they slept in their uniform.

One was clearly overweight for wearing the uniform.

One was wearing their nametag on the wrong side.

Thus, I will always be a proponent for CAP dumping USAF-style uniforms...

Having worn that uniform for ten years active duty and in CAP for nine, I have some issues with your proposal of "dumping" Air Force uniforms.

Eliminating a uniform because of the few bad apples that get caught wearing it with when they shouldn't isn't punishing the person violating the regs, it's punishing those that make a point of meeting the standards to wear it.

EDIT:  personal attacks snipped out.  Knock it off.  TA

Then I'll put it another way. Correct those that violate pubs. Don't propose throwing out uniforms, policies or practices because people are violating them. That's throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

[RogueLeader]

Then I'll put it another way. Correct those that violate pubs. Don't propose throwing out uniforms, policies or practices because people are violating them. That's throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

No, that is throwing out the baby, but keeping the bathwater.

[Hawk200]

Then I'll put it another way. Correct those that violate pubs. Don't propose throwing out uniforms, policies or practices because people are violating them. That's throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

No, that is throwing out the baby, but keeping the bathwater.

I see your point.

[Dad2-4]

What I saw tonight in one place:
White shirt-gray pants combo with blue epaulets.
White shirt-gray pants combo with black tie.
Blue blazer combo but with black blazer.
Two young officers/ former cadets with folding tactical knives clipped to their blues pants pockets.
All of the above received awards for various things, accepted one for someone else, or was helping present them.

[jeders]

What I saw tonight in one place:
White shirt-gray pants combo with blue epaulets.
White shirt-gray pants combo with black tie.
Blue blazer combo but with black blazer.
Two young officers/ former cadets with folding tactical knives clipped to their blues pants pockets.
All of the above received awards for various things, accepted one for someone else, or was helping present them.

wow

[jimmydeanno]

You know what I think is rather ironic?

You have two people standing next to each other wearing the same uniform, but one is wearing something different than the other one and neither of them have the sense to say..."Why's yours look different than mine?"

[PaulR]

From my days in, I biggest infractions were poor grooming and obese members wearing(or rather squeezing) into the AF style uniform.  Nothing like the sound of buttons flying through the air at high velocity! lol

[Duke Dillio]

2.  Wearing things people shouldn't, like berets.  Usually for one reason only, because they think they look cool.

Heck yeah!  Can't beat it!

Image removed to protect the innocent...

Did someone order a pizza?

[Smokey]

What with this beret thing...

The Monica Lewinsky look went out when [redacted by admin] Clinton left office.   


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[Major Carrales]

What with this beret thing...

The Monica Lewinsky look went out when [redacted by admin] Clinton left office.   


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William Jefferson Clinton, also known as William "Bill" Jefferson Clinton...naughty!!!

[jb512]

I was recently at a large USAF convention.  Hundreds, perhaps thousands, of USAF officers and enlisted blokes were there.  Probably every USAF General that was stateside.  There were about 5-6 CAP members, all in dress blues. 

One looked like they slept in their uniform.

One was clearly overweight for wearing the uniform.

One was wearing their nametag on the wrong side.

Thus, I will always be a proponent for CAP dumping USAF-style uniforms...

Thus, I will always be a proponent for enforcing the proper wear of all uniforms...

If someone looks like crap in an AF uniform, they're not going to magically look professional in a corporate one.

[DrJbdm]

good point Jason.