Common Uniform Infractions?

[Hawk200]

Maybe I should cut and paste into his thread.

[Eclipse]

You're also to use ideas from this, though you will notice its is woefully out of date.

Playing "spot the problem" gets them in the mood to be looking for infractions as a matter of course.

http://group22.net/files/presentations/il245_uniform_2004_updated_10_feb_2004.ppt

I did this two times in a row at conferences and it was well received in the spirit it was intended.  You'll notice I fogged the faces of some people.

[SStradley]

You're also to use ideas from this, though you will notice its is woefully out of date.

Playing "spot the problem" gets them in the mood to be looking for infractions as a matter of course.

http://group22.net/files/presentations/il245_uniform_2004_updated_10_feb_2004.ppt

I did this two times in a row at conferences and it was well received in the spirit it was intended.  You'll notice I fogged the faces of some people.

I tried to look at the power point but it needs a password.

[AlphaSigOU]

I tried to look at the power point but it needs a password.

Only to edit the presentation. Click 'Read Only' and it'll work fine.

[LtCol Hooligan]

Try pressing read only.  Eclipse- is there anyway we can save a copy of it?  I could view it, but not save it!!

[Major Carrales]

Ok everyone, I'm working on a list for my Group Newsletter.

Please help.

Thanks.

Could you send me a copy of said article so I can print it in my Weekly Squadron Newsletter?  All credit will be given.

[Eclipse]

You should be able to right click the above link and "save as", if that doesn't work, go
here: http://group22.net/files

and do the save-as from there.

It has a password on it because I didn't want anyone chaning things and leaving my name on it - I would provide it to you guys, but to my embarrassment we don't know what it is, and the only copies we have are locked.   

As I said, the basic form is still pretty good, and a lot of the data is still correct, but its also pre a LOT of changes and so it woefully out of date.

If I come up with it, I'll PM you.

[Eclipse]

The other thing I am noticing as I reiview this for the first time in a couple of years, is several mistakes, or incorrect nomenclature.

(i.e. references to class "A/B", wearing a hat with mess dress, etc.).

I'm hoping to update this for a conference in the Spring, and all that will be fixed.

[Stonewall]

There are still some older threads on Cadetstuff which contain the most common ones, including photos.

Part I:  http://forums.cadetstuff.org/viewtopic.php?t=1067

Part II:  http://forums.cadetstuff.org/viewtopic.php?t=5236

Part III:  http://forums.cadetstuff.org/viewtopic.php?t=6059

Like any CAP uniform thread, things often get out of hand.  If you look through these threads, you'll find a lot dead links to pictures, but with like 100 pages, you're bound to find as many pictures as you'll need for your class.  Some pages are just responses to dumb arguments, others "quote" other pictures time and time again.  But it does make for an interesting read.

[Stonewall]

Going back to the original question, I have two common infractions I'd like to point out.

1.  Lots and lots of people, mostly cadets, tend to wear some of their uniform before it's complete.  Time and time again, even in CAP News and the Volunteer, you'll see people in BDUs missing nametapes, rank or patches.

2.  Wearing things people shouldn't, like berets.  Usually for one reason only, because they think they look cool.

[Major Lord]

1) Boots tucked instead of bloused.
2) " Ranger Rolled" patrol caps
3) Aerosmith black T-shirts under BDU's
4) Sleeves rolled 4 inches above elbows so cadets can show off their 19 inch guns...
5) Obese senior members wearing AF style uniforms that look like sausage casings....
6) State Military reserve, salvation Army, or ACA uniforms worn to CAP activities.
7) Queer eye for the straight guy-inspired multi-color squadron caps.
8) Is that a pledge pin on your uniform?!!!


Major Lord

Disabled smileys -MIKE

[Stonewall]

2.  Wearing things people shouldn't, like berets.  Usually for one reason only, because they think they look cool.

Heck yeah!  Can't beat it!

[JCW0312]

6) State Military reserve, salvation Army, or ACA uniforms worn to CAP activities.

ACA? What's that?

[JCW0312]

2.  Wearing things people shouldn't, like berets.  Usually for one reason only, because they think they look cool.

Heck yeah!  Can't beat it!

Say it isn't so. Please tell me you found some random person at the grocery store and asked her to put on a uniform & beret for a funny picture.

[Major Carrales]

I'm going to make the following remark as a sort of Public Service Announcement, please don't get offended by any supposed tone you may find in it.  I would be remiss if I did not mention it and you would likewise be remiss not to consider it.

Let's not start the "unbecoming" remarks and posts of photos.  As a Public Affairs Officer let me say that these "public displays of ridicule" and "making sport of" only servce to harm CAP's image by collecting countless examples of "wrongs" in one place.  Also, making fun of fellow CAP officers and Cadets without correction of the issue (and without their knowledge) may well be an integrity issue.

So, having said that...just consider that when posting such things here or anywhere on the web.

[jimmydeanno]

6) State Military reserve, salvation Army, or ACA uniforms worn to CAP activities.

ACA? What's that?

American Cadet Alliance: www.militarycadets.org

Founded in 1909, the ACA holds the distinction of being the oldest and longest-serving Cadet organization in the United States.  Veterans of the Corps of Cadets include senior military officers, public officials and business leaders.  All members of the American Cadet Alliance, past and present, have the common bond of pride in their country and a strong belief in its founding principles

[Dragoon]

5.  BDU style pants with golf shirt

Are you referring to actual camo BDU pants, or gray pants with cargo pockets.

'Cause if they are gray cotton twill with cargo pockets, they are fine.

Admittedly cargo pockets aren't specifically excluded.  However, can you point me at cotton twill grey BDUs?  All I've found are poly/cotton, which would not be authorized.  (Yup, I know that's splitting hairs, but so is wearing field pants with a uniform that is specified in 39-1 as the equivalent of short sleeve service dress).

I've actually seen members wearing bloused >DRESS PANTS<  with their golf shirt - and this wasn't even in a field environment.

But cotton twill cargos are pretty common, and I've even seen some members with  wool-blend trousers that have cargo pockets.

What I'm referring to would be similar to this:



These would be compliant as they are 100% cotton, however, I don't see any reason why a poly/cotton tactical pant would not be acceptable, "twill" is simply the reference to a weave pattern.   I don't see anything in the regs which dictate the actual material as being 100% cotton.

And I also don't see the golf shirt being analogous to corporate service dress - that's the aviator whites.  The golf shirt is a casual work uniform, and as been point out on other threads, the (relatively recent) change to the pant reg makes it a pretty good field uniform, especially for base ops.

Yup, those would meet the letter of the law.  Gray BDU pants would not.

And while I completely agree with you on the golf shirt's use for light work duty, that's not what 39-1 says.  Whether we agree or not, it's the equivalent of short sleeve service dress.

[Eclipse]

And while I completely agree with you on the golf shirt's use for light work duty, that's not what 39-1 says.  Whether we agree or not, it's the equivalent of short sleeve service dress.

Can you cite on that?  I can't find anything that really defines what the golf shirt "is".

[Bluelakes 13]

I was recently at a large USAF convention.  Hundreds, perhaps thousands, of USAF officers and enlisted blokes were there.  Probably every USAF General that was stateside.  There were about 5-6 CAP members, all in dress blues. 

One looked like they slept in their uniform.

One was clearly overweight for wearing the uniform.

One was wearing their nametag on the wrong side.

Thus, I will always be a proponent for CAP dumping USAF-style uniforms...

[Major Lord]

Remember the PAO on the Fosset mission?  She showed up on CNN with wrong patches, and big hoop earrings on with her flight suit. I am afraid Major Carrales, that she has forever usurped PAO's of any moral authority on this issue! I just have one question on the Major with the Beret: WTF?

Major Lord