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MSG Mac
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« on: April 21, 2017, 02:16:28 AM »

Registration site has opened for the 2017 National Conference.

Cost $175 (includes banquet
        $190 for all events
        $105 for Conference only

Room reservations $132/night + Tax of 22.11/night.
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Michael P. McEleney
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Fubar
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« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2017, 03:28:22 AM »

$ 190.00 - Event
$ 462.33 - Hotel
$ 380.00 - Airfare
$ 100.00 - Meals & Etc

$1,132.33 to attend a three day CAP conference? Too rich for my blood, especially with nothing about what will be happening at the conference being published.

It's hard to create value for these conferences. Anything being announced at the conference gets posted online. Training made available at the conference is also available at the region and wing levels. Obviously it's great to make new friends and meet old pals. For some, hearing something before the rest of the membership or shaking hands with important people holds value to them. It just seems to the majority of the membership, giving up vacation days or simply going unpaid is too much to ask for what the member gets in return for attending the conference.

Being in Texas will help. It's a large wing with plenty of locals who can easily attend. I just wonder how much longer non-profits can afford to host these big national conventions.
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FW
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« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2017, 08:46:26 AM »

... I just wonder how much longer non-profits can afford to host these big national conventions.

As long as sponsors can be found to pay for the bulk of the event, the longer they will be held.  The Annual Conference used to be a place where new policy could be made.  Today, it is used as, basically, a National Commander's call.  It's also an event where "best practices" can be discussed by participants.  Of course, this could be done online today at a fraction of the cost and time.  I agree time spent at a region or wing conference may be just as rewarding. 
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LATORRECA
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« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2017, 09:13:41 AM »

Wow to expensive

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Fubar
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« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2017, 03:18:56 PM »

As long as sponsors can be found to pay for the bulk of the event, the longer they will be held.

That's a really good point. And attendance isn't a factor for the sponsors who are also vendors we buy lots of expensive toys from.
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dogden
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« Reply #5 on: Yesterday at 03:00:57 PM »

I will be there but it is only a 3 hour drive from my house.  ;)
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David C Ogden, Lt Col, CAP
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« Reply #6 on: Yesterday at 03:24:52 PM »

$ 190.00 - Event
$ 462.33 - Hotel
$ 380.00 - Airfare
$ 100.00 - Meals & Etc

$1,132.33 to attend a three day CAP conference? Too rich for my blood, especially with nothing about what will be happening at the conference being published.

It's hard to create value for these conferences. Anything being announced at the conference gets posted online. Training made available at the conference is also available at the region and wing levels. Obviously it's great to make new friends and meet old pals. For some, hearing something before the rest of the membership or shaking hands with important people holds value to them. It just seems to the majority of the membership, giving up vacation days or simply going unpaid is too much to ask for what the member gets in return for attending the conference.

Being in Texas will help. It's a large wing with plenty of locals who can easily attend. I just wonder how much longer non-profits can afford to host these big national conventions.

As long as the people that are required to go (Nat CC, Region CCs Wing CCs) are not reaching into their own pockets to pay for it, they will continue to have it and continue to perpetrate the myth that it is an opportunity for the rank and file members to get training and network.  If I were king for a day there would be no reimbursed travel for conferences, Fortune 500 companies have been using telecons and webinars for years, lets try to be good stewards of taxpayer money eh. 
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kwe1009
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« Reply #7 on: Yesterday at 04:26:45 PM »

I have only been to 1 national conference and it was frankly a complete waste.  Most of the seminars that I sat in on quickly turned into gripe sessions with the NHQ people that were running the seminar.  Here is how most of it went:

CAP Member: "Why are we doing X when Y would be cheaper, easier, and would probably generate outside interest?"
NHQ staffer: "We spent a lot of time researching X and are committed to it.  It is a great plan."
CAP Member: "What about Y?"
NHQ staffer: "We didn't consider that because reasons."

rinse and repeat

I haven't seen Wing or Region conferences be much better, especially when you factor in the cost.  Technology has overcome the conference model and we all just need to embrace it.  A conference can easily be replace with WebEx or similar technology for a lot less money.  I'm still not sure why we are not doing RSC and NSC as web conferences either.
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etodd
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« Reply #8 on: Yesterday at 09:51:04 PM »

I do not go to my Wing Conferences for all the reasons above. The last one here had a few 45 minute breakout sessions, with all of the info presented stuff that can be found online easily.

Bottom line .... so many folks enjoy that Saturday night rubber chicken dinner and ESPECIALLY the 500 certificates given out with the obligatory photo op. For some it may be the only time each year they wear the full dress blues and get to hang all 30 of their medals for others to see while receiving their certificate.  I get it. Its important for some folks. But its not me.
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« Reply #9 on: Yesterday at 09:56:39 PM »

I have only been to 1 national conference and it was frankly a complete waste.  Most of the seminars that I sat in on quickly turned into gripe sessions with the NHQ people that were running the seminar.  Here is how most of it went:

CAP Member: "Why are we doing X when Y would be cheaper, easier, and would probably generate outside interest?"
NHQ staffer: "We spent a lot of time researching X and are committed to it.  It is a great plan."
CAP Member: "What about Y?"
NHQ staffer: "We didn't consider that because reasons."

rinse and repeat

I haven't seen Wing or Region conferences be much better, especially when you factor in the cost.  Technology has overcome the conference model and we all just need to embrace it.  A conference can easily be replace with WebEx or similar technology for a lot less money.  I'm still not sure why we are not doing RSC and NSC as web conferences either.

I see your point, and I expect there will be much more technology utilized in the future. CAP has been behind on technology and is still trying to catch up, technology is moving faster than everyone, corporations, the military, and our culture. In OHWG at least, I see the OHWG conference as much as a learning opportunity as a social event. I enjoy getting to see familiar faces that are usually far away.

Conferences, meetings, seminars, and classes will not be fully online in the near future. This is for the same reason that of my courses only one or two are online. It isn't practical for discussion based learning and many students and instructors find better results through the personal interaction. I am one of those people who can learn either way. If I consider even one of the most academic NCSAs conducted entirely online, the benefits would not be nearly as great as the experience myself and my flight mates received.

Conferences and activities will continue to happen until people decide not to go, I have never gone to the national conference because I haven't been able to afford it. Just because it doesn't merit my money doesn't mean it isn't worth it to other people.
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« Reply #10 on: Yesterday at 10:19:15 PM »


 It isn't practical for discussion based learning and many students and instructors find better results through the personal interaction. I am one of those people who can learn either way. If I consider even one of the most academic NCSAs conducted entirely online, the benefits would not be nearly as great as the experience myself and my flight mates received.


Yes. Especially when lots of info needs to be covered and its important everyone 'gets it'.  Like the two day G1000 course we have at least once a year in our Wing. Sure, we can read all the info in a book or online, but many things like this need good question and answer periods to get the info understood.  These types of seminars that have time to dig deep into a subject I enjoy. I'll leave the formal award ceremony nights to others.
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