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jb512
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« on: April 15, 2017, 05:20:14 PM »

I am looking for some guidance from a PDO on how to submit/apply AF PME for CAP credit. I looked in CAPR 50-17 Attachment 2 and it seems simple enough, I just need advice on how to apply it to the new system and/or the grandfather clause. It would be for a 1st Lt with a DOR prior to 14 August 2014 who has completed the Officer Basic Course, TIG, a Technician Rating, and the following AF PME:

Airman Leadership School
AF NCO Academy
Senior Enlisted Joint Professional Military Education I

Any advice would be appreciated...
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arajca
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« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2017, 07:07:56 PM »

Send documentation (email attachment is fine) to the Registar at National. Or Professional Development folks there.
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« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2017, 11:15:00 PM »

Have them complete SLS

Use the ALS for CLC
Use the NCO Academy for RSC
Use the Senior NCO school for NSC

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« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2017, 12:20:09 AM »

NCO academy most likely won't go for RSC. Per CAPR 50-17 CAP Senior Member Professional Development Program:

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Attachment 2–Military Education Qualifying as Equivalent to CAP Officer Basic Course, Region Staff College and National Staff College

MILITARY EDUCATION QUALIFYING AS EQUIVALENT TO CAP OFFICER BASIC COURSE, REGION STAFF COLLEGE AND NATIONAL STAFF COLLEGE

Equivalent to CAP Officer Basic Course
      - Any US Armed Forces NCO Academy or equivalent, resident or correspondence

Equivalent to CAP Officer Basic Course/Region Staff College
      - Any US Armed Forces Senior NCO Academy (resident or correspondence)
      - USAF Squadron Officer School, USA Basic/Advance Officer Courses or USN, USMC, USCG equivalent, resident or correspondence
      - All Service Academies, ROTC, OCS, or OTS
      - Any US Armed Forces Command and Staff College, resident, seminar, or correspondence
      - Any US Armed Forces War College, resident, seminar, or correspondence

Equivalent to National Staff College
      - Any US Armed Forces Senior NCO Academy, resident or correspondence
      - Any US Armed Forces Command and Staff College, resident, seminar, or correspondence
      - Any US Armed Forces War College, resident, seminar, or correspondence
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« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2017, 08:21:19 AM »

Scan the pme certificate of completion and email the PDF to lmmeforms@capnhq.gov with a cap I'd and course equivalent being requested
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« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2017, 08:41:08 AM »

yeah, don't burn higher level PME on a weekend long course. You want to use that as equivalance for something like a week-long in-residence course.

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« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2017, 08:57:25 AM »

I was in a similar boat.  I used my SNCOA for NCS and I took SOS to cover RSC.  If you aren't eligible to take SOS then RSC is much easier to attend (and cheaper) than NCS>
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« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2017, 11:35:24 AM »

Scan the pme certificate of completion and email the PDF to lmmeforms@capnhq.gov with a cap I'd and course equivalent being requested

Doesn't always work I have been pursuing this for well over a year.  Talking to NHQ directly and going through channels.
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jb512
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« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2017, 12:25:53 PM »

yeah, don't burn higher level PME on a weekend long course. You want to use that as equivalance for something like a week-long in-residence course.

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Ok, that is what I was thinking as well and thank you for all of the suggestions. It would be best to save them for the higher level ones that seem to be more difficult to get to.
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Alaric
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« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2017, 02:39:18 PM »

Have them complete SLS

Use the ALS for CLC
Use the NCO Academy for RSC
Use the Senior NCO school for NSC

CLC is not waivable by PME
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arajca
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« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2017, 03:10:39 PM »

Have them complete SLS

Use the ALS for CLC
Use the NCO Academy for RSC
Use the Senior NCO school for NSC

CLC is not waivable by PME
Also, based on the chart posted by Ozzy, NCO Academy won't work for RSC, either. It will work for OBC, though. The Senior NCO school can be used for EITHER RSC or NSC, but not both.
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jb512
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« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2017, 07:34:02 AM »

Also, how does the grandfather clause work for promotion?
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« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2017, 07:50:15 AM »

Have them complete SLS

Use the ALS for CLC
Use the NCO Academy for RSC
Use the Senior NCO school for NSC

But that SEJPME I course isn't equivalent to an Academy. It's the first of 2 SEJPME courses offered through the Joint Forces Staff College via JKO. The first is a click through the slides, the second....well, then they say 40+ hours of CBT, they mean it.
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« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2017, 07:56:20 AM »

Have them complete SLS

Use the ALS for CLC
Use the NCO Academy for RSC
Use the Senior NCO school for NSC

CLC is not waivable by PME

 
Also, based on the chart posted by Ozzy, NCO Academy won't work for RSC, either. It will work for OBC, though. The Senior NCO school can be used for EITHER RSC or NSC, but not both.
OP said that OBC is complete and is looking to use some PME for other courses.
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jb512
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« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2017, 09:20:23 AM »

Have them complete SLS

Use the ALS for CLC
Use the NCO Academy for RSC
Use the Senior NCO school for NSC

CLC is not waivable by PME

 
Also, based on the chart posted by Ozzy, NCO Academy won't work for RSC, either. It will work for OBC, though. The Senior NCO school can be used for EITHER RSC or NSC, but not both.
OP said that OBC is complete and is looking to use some PME for other courses.

Correct...
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« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2017, 09:59:34 AM »

Have them complete SLS

Use the ALS for CLC
Use the NCO Academy for RSC
Use the Senior NCO school for NSC

But that SEJPME I course isn't equivalent to an Academy. It's the first of 2 SEJPME courses offered through the Joint Forces Staff College via JKO. The first is a click through the slides, the second....well, then they say 40+ hours of CBT, they mean it.
SEJPME II is no joke.  40+ hours of mostly dry and boring materail.
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kwe1009
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« Reply #16 on: April 17, 2017, 10:02:43 AM »

I am dealing with this now with a SM in my Wing.  He wants to use his SNCOA to cover OBC.  I have been trying to talk him out of it and to use it for RSC.  He can't seem to grasp that OBC is just an online course that can be completed rather quickly and RSC is a week of time off from work.

DON'T USE MILITARY TRAINING TO COVER A CAP ONLINE COURSE!!!
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THRAWN
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« Reply #17 on: April 17, 2017, 10:06:45 AM »

Have them complete SLS

Use the ALS for CLC
Use the NCO Academy for RSC
Use the Senior NCO school for NSC

But that SEJPME I course isn't equivalent to an Academy. It's the first of 2 SEJPME courses offered through the Joint Forces Staff College via JKO. The first is a click through the slides, the second....well, then they say 40+ hours of CBT, they mean it.
SEJPME II is no joke.  40+ hours of mostly dry and boring materail.

Holy mother of pearl is that an understatement! I would have rather re-done a lesson on the PPBE system. A guy in my unit is taking it now and cursing my entire family tree for suggesting it to him.
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« Reply #18 on: April 17, 2017, 10:14:38 AM »

DON'T USE MILITARY TRAINING TO COVER A CAP ONLINE COURSE!!!

Why not?  I used NCOA as credit for my OBC? 
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kwe1009
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« Reply #19 on: April 17, 2017, 10:16:24 AM »

DON'T USE MILITARY TRAINING TO COVER A CAP ONLINE COURSE!!!

Why not?  I used NCOA as credit for my OBC?

Disregard.  This is what I get for multitasking.  I got two issues I'm dealing with confused.
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THRAWN
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« Reply #20 on: April 17, 2017, 10:20:40 AM »

DON'T USE MILITARY TRAINING TO COVER A CAP ONLINE COURSE!!!

Why not?  I used NCOA as credit for my OBC?

I think the point that was being made is that if you do that, you can't then use it for the RSC waiver. Then if you have the SNCOA you have to use it for RSC and then you have nothing left to waive NSC.

I remember when I used to use whole words for things...
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« Reply #21 on: April 17, 2017, 01:08:23 PM »

DON'T USE MILITARY TRAINING TO COVER A CAP ONLINE COURSE!!!

Why not?  I used NCOA as credit for my OBC?

Did you do that in the days of the paper correspondence course? Back then, it might have been a bit more advantageous to do the substitution. Today, not so much.
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« Reply #22 on: April 17, 2017, 08:44:44 PM »

Mine was done back in 2012 when I rejoined.  Also NCOA cannot be used for RSC but SNCOA can be. 
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