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TotalForce
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« on: April 14, 2017, 02:41:43 PM »

New CAP member and browisng Vanguard since we can't get on base for the BX.

The Blues with that gray epaulets is just nauseating. I understand the concept where big brother wanted CAP to differentiate from them. But what about the same epaulets, in the dark blue with the CAP written on it?

The blue name tapes on ABU?????

Like I said total force what??

I do however like being in CAP but when will CAP be treated better instead of 3rd class citizens by big brother?
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Jester
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« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2017, 02:45:51 PM »

Who said you can't get on a base?  What base?
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SarDragon
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« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2017, 02:53:47 PM »

 :o

If the current status of CAP with the AF is so displeasing, maybe you should find another outlet for your time. Coming in here, and peeing all over the floor, certainly isn't going to get you any accolades.

In my time in CAP, I haven't seen a huge "red-headed step-child" attitude. There are certainly awareness issues, and sometimes the awareness is due to negative PR, but I think our current relationship with our parent service is pretty good. Your attitude here isn't doing anything positive.
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« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2017, 02:55:57 PM »

Looks like someone is off school for the holiday and bored.
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« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2017, 03:12:49 PM »

 >:D
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« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2017, 04:03:02 PM »

Looks like someone is off school for the holiday and bored.

Where's my like button?
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Chappie
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« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2017, 05:11:05 PM »

:o

If the current status of CAP with the AF is so displeasing, maybe you should find another outlet for your time. Coming in here, and peeing all over the floor, certainly isn't going to get you any accolades.

In my time in CAP, I haven't seen a huge "red-headed step-child" attitude. There are certainly awareness issues, and sometimes the awareness is due to negative PR, but I think our current relationship with our parent service is pretty good. Your attitude here isn't doing anything positive.

Love it when a new person comes in with guns blazing with little or no knowledge of the relationship/history of CAP and the Air Force.   The relationship is far better now than it has ever been (IMHO) since the dust up in the late '80s/early '90s due to misdeeds within our organization.  The gray epaulets are a far cry from the "berry boards" of the early '90's.  I came in when the grays were being introduced --- and there was much rejoicing. Then CAP went through the dark years (2005-2007)...that's all I have to say about that.

The dark blue is a far better than the aqua-marine name tapes...the ABU is a major gain.

I know that the Chaplain Corps has a great relationship with the USAF...especially with the Center for Character and Leadership Development (CCLD) at USAFA.

I would attribute some of the "3rd class citizen" mentality to base personnel who are misinformed or unknowledgeable regarding CAP rather than command staff.  That is why it is important to work through the chain of command.  Let them deal with the issues...it is not the place of the squadron member to take on those type of issues (i.e. base access).  In my 20+ years I have never experienced a problem with base access (been to 11 different bases).

As SarDragon has suggested, if the current status is not up to your expectations or satisfaction, there are plenty of other volunteer/service organizations to devote your time and energy.
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« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2017, 05:11:39 PM »

Looks like someone is off school for the holiday and bored.

 :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
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DocJekyll
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« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2017, 02:29:42 PM »

....Then CAP went through the dark years (2005-2007)...that's all I have to say about that.


Yeah, we don't talk about those times... and I was a cadet back then. lol.  :-X :-X :-X
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« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2017, 08:02:41 AM »

CAP has been wearing the gray epaulets for over two decades now. Personally, I have no issues with them. I think they look good enough on the service uniform. Now, the service dress coat and light weight jacket is a different story. I don't think the gray epaulets look good on those, but that's what's approved, so we comply. At the end, what we do is more important than what epaulets we wear.
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Toad1168
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« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2017, 09:17:28 AM »

Wowwwwww, someone should post a pic of the maroon ones we wore for a while.  And seriously, do some research into the history of the organization before you lash out.
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« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2017, 09:22:52 AM »

I found I've still got a set of the maroon epaulets in my uniform kit.  *shudder*
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Simplex
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« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2017, 10:41:21 AM »

Ditto: I wore those maroon ones up through 1/Lt. When I put on grey Captain epaulets it looked really sharp (IMHO).
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TotalForce
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« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2017, 10:53:48 AM »

:o

If the current status of CAP with the AF is so displeasing, maybe you should find another outlet for your time. Coming in here, and peeing all over the floor, certainly isn't going to get you any accolades.

In my time in CAP, I haven't seen a huge "red-headed step-child" attitude. There are certainly awareness issues, and sometimes the awareness is due to negative PR, but I think our current relationship with our parent service is pretty good. Your attitude here isn't doing anything positive.

Who said displeasing? I was expressing an opinon just like you did.

There was no looking for accolades, no peeing on the floor not bad attitude; just stating a fact in evidence. My post easn't meant to create any bad attitude. It looks like you're the one that's jumping to conclusion about attitudes et al.

My awareness is what I see and its not made up. Like I said I enjoy being in CAP and enjoy wat I do but I was pointing something out that jumped at me. Sorry if you don't like it, but just like you exercized your freedom of speech, so did I. You might not like it but you can respectfully disagree without the tude.
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Shieldel
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« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2017, 12:08:27 PM »

You have no idea how good it is now as opposed to WIWAC as a basic airman circa 2011. Don't get me wrong NV-069 (Nellis Comp Squadron) has issues getting on base but thank god we have AD Seniors and Retirees. We can get all our members DBIDS cards but that process is a hassle in of itself, in the mean time our van drives people through the gate using an AD Member's ID or a Retiree's. When the National Vice Commander visited Nellis few months back he even griped about the process. "I have an office on Maxwell yet have a hassle getting onto any another base, it's frustrating" - paraphrased.
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Toad1168
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« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2017, 04:37:43 PM »

:o

If the current status of CAP with the AF is so displeasing, maybe you should find another outlet for your time. Coming in here, and peeing all over the floor, certainly isn't going to get you any accolades.

In my time in CAP, I haven't seen a huge "red-headed step-child" attitude. There are certainly awareness issues, and sometimes the awareness is due to negative PR, but I think our current relationship with our parent service is pretty good. Your attitude here isn't doing anything positive.

Who said displeasing? I was expressing an opinon just like you did.

There was no looking for accolades, no peeing on the floor not bad attitude; just stating a fact in evidence. My post easn't meant to create any bad attitude. It looks like you're the one that's jumping to conclusion about attitudes et al.

My awareness is what I see and its not made up. Like I said I enjoy being in CAP and enjoy wat I do but I was pointing something out that jumped at me. Sorry if you don't like it, but just like you exercized your freedom of speech, so did I. You might not like it but you can respectfully disagree without the tude.

@TotalForce  It is more that you are rehashing issues that have been discussed multiple times before.  If you search, you will find the threads.  The "tude" as you so eloquently put it, is due to the abrasive tone and general lack of understanding of the organization's history.  Do your research and contribute meaningful commentary in lieu of simply firing shots across the bow.
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Mike Toedebusch
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Ed DeSocio
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« Reply #16 on: April 17, 2017, 05:56:38 PM »

I found some random pictures of these dreadful things online.  I hated wearing them.  It was humiliating, especially on the service coat.  Be thankful for the grey.

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« Reply #17 on: April 17, 2017, 06:00:07 PM »

I found I've still got a set of the maroon epaulets in my uniform kit.  *shudder*
Ditto

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« Reply #18 on: April 17, 2017, 06:48:05 PM »

I found some random pictures of these dreadful things online.  I hated wearing them.  It was humiliating, especially on the service coat.  Be thankful for the grey.



I understand I am in the minority, but I kind of liked the maroon shoulder marks.  Especially nice on the light blue shirt.

And reminded me of our heritage - the red shoulder straps from WWII.  I wonder if our earliest members thought they were being disrespected by the Army Air Corps because of the color of the shoulder straps.

My guess is that they were just grateful to serve and wear the (modified) uniform of their country.  Kind of an aspirational goal for us, wouldn't you say?
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« Reply #19 on: April 17, 2017, 08:02:35 PM »

And reminded me of our heritage - the red shoulder straps from WWII.  I wonder if our earliest members thought they were being disrespected by the Army Air Corps because of the color of the shoulder straps.

My guess is that they were just grateful to serve and wear the (modified) uniform of their country.  Kind of an aspirational goal for us, wouldn't you say?

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