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Devil Doc
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« on: March 29, 2017, 12:16:55 PM »

Por que?

http://www.usranger.com/

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« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2017, 12:21:18 PM »

Por que?

Margarine!
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« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2017, 12:36:37 PM »

Por que?

Margarine!

Sin mantequilla!!
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« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2017, 12:43:39 PM »

Wait, it's back? I thought this thing died in it's infancy. 
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« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2017, 12:50:06 PM »

Wow, that's an expensive organization to join considering there are no obvious benefits to doing so.
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« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2017, 12:57:01 PM »

Wow, that's an expensive organization to join considering there are no obvious benefits to doing so.

How much? More than $65?
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« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2017, 01:03:44 PM »

$300 one-time certification fee, and $195/yr dues. :o
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« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2017, 01:06:08 PM »

Ugh. Again? Corps is spelled with an "s".....

And that money goes to what? Kind of steep to join an uncertified and unrecognized rump militia.
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« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2017, 01:08:44 PM »

This does not appear to have any connection to HWSRN.

The phone number listed is also cross-referenced on a number of other private organizations
with business links to LEA and HLS-related business associations, all of which have similar websites, and appear to be
equally "excited" about Servicemarks, Trademarks, and Copyrights.

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« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2017, 01:38:24 PM »

This does not appear to have any connection to HWSRN.

The phone number listed is also cross-referenced on a number of other private organizations
with business links to LEA and HLS-related business associations, all of which have similar websites, and appear to be
equally "excited" about Servicemarks, Trademarks, and Copyrights.




So I shouldn't order the $350 wallet badge?
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« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2017, 01:46:23 PM »

So I shouldn't order the $350 wallet badge?

Whoa, whoa, whoa... let not get crazy here!  No one said not to order things...
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« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2017, 02:40:59 PM »

http://www.veromi.net/summary.asp?from=kwVX00000000&vw=people&fn=Anton&ln=Pineda&city=Fort%20Lauderdale&state=FL

https://www.taxexemptworld.com/organization.asp?tn=2081937

http://www.nonprofitlookup.com/profile/870274.html

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Last active time period for Tony's org appears to be 2015, so concur that this probably isn't the same group. The name appears highly similar though, and one wonders if the missing "s" was intentional for some obscure legal reason.


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« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2017, 02:54:55 PM »

Gross. They mentioned us.
http://www.usranger.com/history/

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« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2017, 03:11:29 PM »

http://www.veromi.net/summary.asp?from=kwVX00000000&vw=people&fn=Anton&ln=Pineda&city=Fort%20Lauderdale&state=FL

https://www.taxexemptworld.com/organization.asp?tn=2081937

http://www.nonprofitlookup.com/profile/870274.html

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Last active time period for Tony's org appears to be 2015, so concur that this probably isn't the same group. The name appears highly similar though, and one wonders if the missing "s" was intentional for some obscure legal reason.


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And this outfit is out of Springfield MO and not Plantation FL
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« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2017, 04:27:35 PM »

About your "Porque?" and "Margarine" jokes, I remembered the following.

If you want to pronounce "Mantequilla" or "Butter" in correct Spanish, just say in English "Meant to Kill Ya."
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« Reply #15 on: March 29, 2017, 11:20:37 PM »

Es klingt schattig und riecht wie Scheiße

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« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2017, 06:19:45 AM »

Gross. They mentioned us.
http://www.usranger.com/history/



The one thing they didn't mention on their lengthy history of the use of the name "ranger" is history of their organization itself. In fact, there's practically no information at all regarding their organization on their website.

This appears to be a scam to get people to pay lots of money for a "prestigious membership certificate suitable for framing", a "US RANGER ID card to identify themselves quickly to Incident Commander and others during times of emergency", and the "right to obtain a US RANGER emblem and credential case to show their designation “on site” during time of emergency." Because nothing spells credibility like a "cool" badge one can show in times of emergency.
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« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2017, 02:53:48 PM »

I have at least three squadron members who would jump on this in an instant...


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« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2017, 09:21:35 PM »

I have at least three squadron members who would jump on this in an instant...

Let me guess, they have a full lighting package in their POVs...
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« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2017, 09:32:25 PM »

How did you know? And have the largest 72 hour pack known to mankind... though they only have an MRO rating.


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« Reply #20 on: March 30, 2017, 09:33:44 PM »

Halfway down this page. Under Emergency Services. Need a little spell check. LOL

http://www.usranger.com/history/
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« Reply #21 on: March 30, 2017, 10:38:34 PM »

This has no connection with Pineda.

It is a new organization being formed under the auspices of the American Board for Certification in Homeland Security (ABCHS) which was spun off from and still connected to the American College of Forensic Examiner's Institute (AFCEI).

ABCHS has come a LONG way since their early days. Their training courses are now approved for military funding and are especially prominent in the Navy. Their certifications include some fairly intensive examination components.

I am a member of the Executive Board that they have for "Certified Aviation Security Professional." That particular exam is a back-breaker. I helped work on it and did some work on their "Certified in Homeland Security" exams.

Imagine, then, how surprised I was to see this US Ranger thing. And - others of my ilk were also taken aback. We really don't know what this is all about. They are offering "immediate recognition" of skills etc. which can be put to use at local emergencies. Yet, as somebody who used to be in charge of that kind of thing, I wouldn't have known what to do if somebody with this badge and "certification" showed up, other than to say "thanks, we'll get back to you...maybe."

I have made inquiries into this, as have others. We truly see this as several dozen giant steps backward, as it is a cart before the horse - a program without a defined need, mixed in with some decidedly Goober-like wannabe components.

Meanwhile - I have been offered FREE membership in this, based on my prior and current connections. I have not taken advantage of that offer. Res ipsa loquitor, I suppose.
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« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2017, 11:07:56 PM »

About your "Porque?" and "Margarine" jokes, I remembered the following.

If you want to pronounce "Mantequilla" or "Butter" in correct Spanish, just say in English "Meant to Kill Ya."

I was trying to speak spanish.. horribly of course. Sorry
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« Reply #23 on: March 30, 2017, 11:13:01 PM »

Imagine, then, how surprised I was to see this US Ranger thing. And - others of my ilk were also taken aback. We really don't know what this is all about. They are offering "immediate recognition" of skills etc. which can be put to use at local emergencies. Yet, as somebody who used to be in charge of that kind of thing, I wouldn't have known what to do if somebody with this badge and "certification" showed up, other than to say "thanks, we'll get back to you...maybe."

I have made inquiries into this, as have others. We truly see this as several dozen giant steps backward, as it is a cart before the horse - a program without a defined need, mixed in with some decidedly Goober-like wannabe components.

Well that's both interesting and unfortunate.  Discussions should be had quickly about how negatively this could impact their reputation.
I've had similar issues locally over the years where people plan activities or "teams" without a clear mission, objective, or even purpose of
existence, but plenty of energy and detail around hats, uniforms, or as in this case badges.  You dig a little deeper and find out it was because
the person or people involved mainly wanted a hat, a uniform, or a badge.

And from the extensive verbiage on the website, it's clear whomever is behind this is very aware and sensitive about the connotation of the
term "Ranger", and desperate to make the case about its history outside the military, while at the same time drawing dotted lines of affiliation to
legitimate organisations.  Giving people credit towards what they already have is a red flag as well, because that's usually a recruiting shortcut.

And legit or not, it's still humorous to see how much emphasis has been placed on trying to protect the terminology used through Service Marks and Copyright.

"Emergency Services Resource Certification" with a nice golf shirt and less energy around badges would have been a better choice.
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« Reply #24 on: March 30, 2017, 11:28:55 PM »


They are offering "immediate recognition" of skills etc. which can be put to use at local emergencies. Yet, as somebody who used to be in charge of that kind of thing, I wouldn't have known what to do if somebody with this badge and "certification" showed up, other than to say "thanks, we'll get back to you...maybe."

That answered the question I had, as I wondered how an IC, in a real disaster situation, would know who all these folks from home-brew orgs were, that show up in various uniforms saying 'where do we start?'
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« Reply #25 on: March 31, 2017, 06:00:03 AM »

Devil, it was supposed to be kinda of a joke. A play on words, although it has some ring of truth. That is what you could say for that word pronunciation. But also butter will make you fat and may not be the best nutrition. Thus, it is "meant to kill ya."


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« Reply #26 on: April 06, 2017, 05:53:02 PM »

Other than the $300 membership fee scam ($2,200 for a lifetime membership?! And how!) and the $350 for a tin star, the most ridiculous part is right on their home page.
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Our diverse membership is made up of experienced professionals in the field of emergency management, including active and retired military, law enforcement and security experts, first responders, medical personnel, and other dedicated individuals who wish to serve others during times of disaster.

So they're trying to get people to serve in an emergency when they are already going to be first on scene or otherwise engaged in said emergency...
"Sorry Chief, can't fight that wildfire today; I got called up to serve with my US Ranger platallion. Don't like it? Talk to the badge. I'll be back next week."
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« Reply #27 on: April 06, 2017, 10:05:14 PM »

Other than the $300 membership fee scam ($2,200 for a lifetime membership?! And how!) and the $350 for a tin star, the most ridiculous part is right on their home page.
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Our diverse membership is made up of experienced professionals in the field of emergency management, including active and retired military, law enforcement and security experts, first responders, medical personnel, and other dedicated individuals who wish to serve others during times of disaster.

So they're trying to get people to serve in an emergency when they are already going to be first on scene or otherwise engaged in said emergency...
"Sorry Chief, can't fight that wildfire today; I got called up to serve with my US Ranger platallion. Don't like it? Talk to the badge. I'll be back next week."

I think the target audience is a mix of private sector, wannabe and former military/LE/Fire. I don't know anybody who has signed up, while I know a number of people who have said "WhaaaaaAAAAATTT?"
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« Reply #28 on: April 07, 2017, 01:26:30 PM »

One of the issues here is that there's no mention of what this "organization" really does. No structure was mentioned other than the regions. Do they have local teams/groups? Do they meet?

Also, there's no mention of how they're mobilized. Are they alerted? Is there a structure in place for coordination? Or do they just show up and hope they're used? Do they have resources? Equipment?

They mention credentials and certifications, but none are spelled out. Do they have formal training? A curriculum? Actual qualifications or certifications with grading criteria? What does the badge proves other than willingness to pay several hundred dollars?

There's really nothing here but a "cool" name and badge... if you have the money and willingness to pay. Frankly, this whole thing is a joke. I would seriously laugh if anyone showed up to an incident displaying that badge.
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« Reply #29 on: April 07, 2017, 02:44:43 PM »

And they even have a Chaplain Corps  ::) ::) ::) ::)
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« Reply #30 on: April 07, 2017, 07:58:57 PM »

Oh c'mon, Chappie! You are not thinking of starting something like the Catholic and Protestant "discussions" of the 1600s and 1700s, are ya?

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« Reply #31 on: April 07, 2017, 09:33:09 PM »

Nah, Chappie's too kool for that.  :angel:
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« Reply #32 on: April 08, 2017, 06:43:13 PM »

SarDragon...while that may be somewhat true, my wife would object to me starting to nail things to the door ;)
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« Reply #33 on: April 08, 2017, 11:16:47 PM »

SarDragon...while that may be somewhat true, my wife would object to me starting to nail things to the door ;)

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« Reply #34 on: April 19, 2017, 06:36:56 PM »

If you are a licensed healthcare provider and you are looking to something along the lines as this organization advertises they can do.  Look into your local Medical Reserve Corps, MMRS, DMAT teams.

There are already avenues to provide these resources in the event that there is an emergency.  Not only don't you have to pay for your own membership, you may actually get paid for providing your service.

This just strikes me as a scam
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