...technically makes being an MSA a requirement for a Tech rating in Safety...
That's not in question. Having to be an MSA before you can be a Tech rating in Safety doesn't make sense. I think this is an e-services issue.
What is in question, is that while the regulations simply say you must have started training as an MSO (and I've definitely done that...in fact I've completed 13 out of 26 requirements), e-services gives the following error when I am submitted for a tech rating [see pic]. E-services won't consider me to have started training until I meet the prerequisite MSA.
If you do not mind me adding this. I have come to the conclusion that MSA should be the first ES qual to get since it will assure that person will be doing something when on a mission or SAREX. Ever since I became Emergency Services Officer I try to groom members to attain MSA first. Even if they tell me they only want to be GTM or UDF, I evaluate them for MSA and try to conduct them to that qualification. This is the approach I followed, and probably it was why I did not encounter what the OP did. When I went for my MSO, I was already MSA qual.
You do not have to "turn off someone from a [preferred] qual..." It can be done concurrently. There are many common tasks. And before you can get even near to the two required missions.
If there are about 45 or 50 GTM trainees and only 2 or 3 GTL members not all of those wishing to go as GTM will be able to go either. Or only two vans. So what you are advocating is that some be left at base, and leave without a sortie, not able to do any training. We cannot have all we wish every time.
... it takes all of 5 minutes to turn on someone's MSA trainee status when they actually need it, rather than forcing them through a qual they don't presently want "just in case".
So you are telling me is that I have wasted all 15 years preparing personnel for an alternate task... That they will get there for a UDF or GTM3 trainee...Only to disappoint them when they find out they cannot do what they wanted to do, instead of preparing them mentally for the possibility they may have to do something else. Fine way to think about your members needs.
Has anyone else encountered this?I can't get my Tech rating in Safety because e-services says I'm not a trainee status as a Mission Safety Officer (which is a requirement).
Eclipse - Your research is correct.The situation in e-services is that it is required that you be listed as a TRAINEE as an MSO before it will let the PDO give you the TECHNICIAN rating in safety. Maybe that's a mistake in e-services, but that's how it is currently coded. Or, maybe the way "begin training" is being interpreted is to mean actually being in Trainee status?If you look above, I have someone in my squadron who has the exact same situation as the opening post...
Playing Devil's Advocate - If a member is not a MSO Trainee in Eservices, how does eServices know the member is in training to be an MSO?
Quote from: arajca on February 26, 2017, 11:07:07 PMPlaying Devil's Advocate - If a member is not a MSO Trainee in Eservices, how does eServices know the member is in training to be an MSO?It doesn't, and shouldn't because "MSO Trainee", per se is not a requirement.The presumption here is that the PDO module isn't allowing the appointment, all other things being equal, but this is hard to confirm because there is no way to test it.If the OP is "being told that", then a clarification to the teller is in order. If the system is locking outthe appointment, then a Help Desk ticket is in order.
I happened to look at some SQTRs this week because of an upcoming SAREX. I always thought MSA or MRO were requirements for any other mission base billets. I apparently was wrong. You can go AOBD or GBD, PSC, OSC then IC without having MSA. Yet some smaller requirements (PIO, LO) requires it.
Quote from: stillamarine on February 26, 2017, 01:01:13 PMI happened to look at some SQTRs this week because of an upcoming SAREX. I always thought MSA or MRO were requirements for any other mission base billets. I apparently was wrong. You can go AOBD or GBD, PSC, OSC then IC without having MSA. Yet some smaller requirements (PIO, LO) requires it.Just an FYI, this post is: http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=21875.msg400000#msg400000Congratulations, Mr 400,000th Post Author
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