3.15. Orientation Flights in Air Force Aircraft. The Air Force may provide CAP cadets and senior members with orientation flights in Air Force aircraft. Such flights can be included aspart of planned or scheduled training and operational flight missions in accordance with AFI 11-401, Aviation Management. Air Force personnel should consider the purpose of any scheduledor planned flight activities and their suitability as orientation flights.3.16. Airlift Support. Airlift support is permitted for official CAP activities in accordance with DOD 4515.13-R, Chapter 2, and must be approved by CAP-USAF/CC or the designee. (T-2).
As NIN says, in CONUS you'll need CAP-USAF approval, neither is that difficult but Transport takes more justification then O-rides (o-rides begin and end in the same place).Overseas, well good luck with that...
I need the collective experience, wisdom, and knowledge here - how do I prove to an Army lawyer that it's OK for Cadets and Senior Members to fly on an Army airplane?We have a chance to take some Cadets on a day trip to an Air Force base during an Army C-12 training mission. The Battalion Commander has asked for a legal review, but wants to see it happen. The Army JAG Captain, I think, really wants to make it happen. He's looking for something, however, that doesn't exist. There is no policy anywhere that says "Wiesbaden Flight CAP Cadets can fly on an Army airplane to an Air Force base on a day trip."The lawyer was in CAP as a Cadet. He "just" needs to see something that builds the case in his mind that it's OK.I have shown him DODI 4515-13. I've shown him CAPR 76-1. Etc. I've given him the 1999 TRANSCOM letters. He's getting hung up on "CAP approved," "workshop," "orientation flight," and "space available." If it's not approved by the National Commander it must not be "CAP approved." We "don't have anything that makes it a workshop." It's not in a 172 so it can't be an "orientation flight." He's confusing "if space is available" with space-A travel at an AMC terminal (Almost wrote "MAC terminal,' must be old.)We have the support of the Wing Commander on the other end. One of his Squadron commanders is assigned as our liaison. We'll meet up with Cadets and Senior Members there, plus get to join up with British Air Cadets for the day. The USAF staff on the other end is excited because we're bringing them in contact with their British counterparts.The day is scheduled to be filled with genuine USAF stuff - KC-135, F-15, MC-130, CV-22, weather office, tower, parachute rigging/repair, maintenance shop, and so on.I know that it's allowed. How do I successfully make the case?Muchas gracias in advance.Terry
NIN quoted this as well but there is something I'd like to highlight in particular.Quote3.15. Orientation Flights in Air Force Aircraft. The Air Force may provide CAP cadets and senior members with orientation flights in Air Force aircraft. Such flights can be included aspart of planned or scheduled training and operational flight missions in accordance with AFI 11-401, Aviation Management. Air Force personnel should consider the purpose of any scheduledor planned flight activities and their suitability as orientation flights.3.16. Airlift Support. Airlift support is permitted for official CAP activities in accordance with DOD 4515.13-R, Chapter 2, and must be approved by CAP-USAF/CC or the designee. (T-2).I recognize (as NIN pointed out) that this is an AFI, but it could possibly still be used. Even though this is a training mission for the C-12, its still transport for an official CAP activitiy. Therefore it could fall under the airlift support clause and would be permitted, granted its in accordance with the cited DOD reg, and is approved by the appropriate person.