"E4 because I was in CAP?"

Started by Eclipse, July 01, 2016, 01:06:27 AM

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thebeggerpie

Quote from: Flying Pig on July 01, 2016, 12:19:16 PM
Quote from: thebeggerpie on July 01, 2016, 02:35:32 AM
Quote from: Eclipse on July 01, 2016, 02:28:01 AM
Quote from: thebeggerpie on July 01, 2016, 02:22:26 AM
From what I know, Mitchell gives E-3 in the USAF, E-2 in the Army and Marines(had some friends prove those two), and I have heard nothing about the Navy.

From local cadets who have received it, I know they can get some advanced grade from the Navy.  I was under the impression the Marines gave no one
advanced anything.

Buddy of mine enlisted in the Marines last year and they gave him advanced grade of E-2 after he finished BMT because he had a Mitchell.

The Marines dont recognize the Mitchell or ROTC.  If your buddy got E2 after boot camp, it had nothing to do with CAP.

My friend was told to produce the document to his recruiter, and his recruiter told him that would give him E2. I mean, it's possible he was lying just to get him in, but he had to give him the document to get scans and copies done.  :-\

abdsp51

Quote from: Flying Pig on July 01, 2016, 12:19:16 PM
The Marines dont recognize the Mitchell or ROTC.  If your buddy got E2 after boot camp, it had nothing to do with CAP.

Funny when I was getting ready to enlist all the branches were offering me E3 to start for having either 3-4 years JROTC or Mitchell.  The Marines were ready to drop the papers right then and there.

Having both they were scrambling to enlist me.  Hmmm reminds me of my first trip to MEPs...

Stonewall

Everyone who enlists in the Air National Guard comes back as an E-3 after BMT, and everyone in the Air National Guard who enlists is automatically in an E-5 billet.  Meaning, if you enlist in the ANG you will make it to E-5 as long as you pass your upgrade training, pass PT, and PME.  There is no cap for how many E-5s there are in the Air Guard.

Note: ultimately it is up to a unit commander to sign off on promotions, so some units may require a review board or something, but theoretically nothing should be in your way from making my SSgt in the Air Guard.
Serving since 1987.

Spaceman3750

Quote from: Stonewall on July 02, 2016, 10:52:20 AM
Everyone who enlists in the Air National Guard comes back as an E-3 after BMT, and everyone in the Air National Guard who enlists is automatically in an E-5 billet.  Meaning, if you enlist in the ANG you will make it to E-5 as long as you pass your upgrade training, pass PT, and PME.  There is no cap for how many E-5s there are in the Air Guard.

Note: ultimately it is up to a unit commander to sign off on promotions, so some units may require a review board or something, but theoretically nothing should be in your way from making my SSgt in the Air Guard.

Also, as an ANG friend told me, every full time billet is at least an E-5 billet (though I know I've seen Jr enlisted SPs at the gate on Tuesday night).

stillamarine

Quote from: abdsp51 on July 02, 2016, 06:17:29 AM
Quote from: Flying Pig on July 01, 2016, 12:19:16 PM
The Marines dont recognize the Mitchell or ROTC.  If your buddy got E2 after boot camp, it had nothing to do with CAP.

Funny when I was getting ready to enlist all the branches were offering me E3 to start for having either 3-4 years JROTC or Mitchell.  The Marines were ready to drop the papers right then and there.

Having both they were scrambling to enlist me.  Hmmm reminds me of my first trip to MEPs...

Not sure how long ago that was. For at least the last 20 years the highest rank you can get guaranteed in the Marine Corps is E-2. This is because in the Marine Corps a Lance Corporal is a leadership position.  When I went through PI we had an AF SRA, a Navy PO3 and an Army Sgt that were in my platoon. They all started as an E2. Now it was possible to have E-3 after boot camp if you were a contract E-2 and honor grad then you got meritorious E-3.
Tim Gardiner, 1st LT, CAP

USMC AD 1996-2001
USMCR    2001-2005  Admiral, Great State of Nebraska Navy  MS, MO, UDF
tim.gardiner@gmail.com

abdsp51

Quote from: stillamarine on July 02, 2016, 04:35:42 PM
Not sure how long ago that was. For at least the last 20 years the highest rank you can get guaranteed in the Marine Corps is E-2. This is because in the Marine Corps a Lance Corporal is a leadership position.  When I went through PI we had an AF SRA, a Navy PO3 and an Army Sgt that were in my platoon. They all started as an E2. Now it was possible to have E-3 after boot camp if you were a contract E-2 and honor grad then you got meritorious E-3.

1999

Flying Pig

I went in 1993.  E2 was the highest you could get and it didn't have anything to do with JROTC or CAP.  E3 was just for honor grads, and it's the same way today.   Not sure what was going on in 1999.  But it's pretty much set in stone.  I had an Army E6 in my Platoon with jump wings and about 3 rows of ribbons.... He graduated an E2   

stillamarine

Quote from: abdsp51 on July 02, 2016, 05:22:23 PM
Quote from: stillamarine on July 02, 2016, 04:35:42 PM
Not sure how long ago that was. For at least the last 20 years the highest rank you can get guaranteed in the Marine Corps is E-2. This is because in the Marine Corps a Lance Corporal is a leadership position.  When I went through PI we had an AF SRA, a Navy PO3 and an Army Sgt that were in my platoon. They all started as an E2. Now it was possible to have E-3 after boot camp if you were a contract E-2 and honor grad then you got meritorious E-3.

1999

I did 4 months on Recruiting Assistance recovering from an injury in 99. E-2 was the highest guaranteed contract
Tim Gardiner, 1st LT, CAP

USMC AD 1996-2001
USMCR    2001-2005  Admiral, Great State of Nebraska Navy  MS, MO, UDF
tim.gardiner@gmail.com

MSG Mac

Quote from: THRAWN on July 01, 2016, 12:43:29 PM
Quote from: SarDragon on July 01, 2016, 07:41:45 AM
There's advanced promotion at the end of boot camp for all sorts of things, including how well you do, possibly  based on things you learned in CAP. Happens all the time. That's much of what I'm seeing discussed above.

On the other hand, in my experience, advanced promotion based on college, or CAP, happens on entry, and you get paid for it from day one. That is generally to E-2 or E-3. I got E-2 in the Navy for college credit, and the Air Force offered me E-2 for my Mitchell. Training wise, you might not wear your advanced rank (I didn't until graduation), but the pay is there.

Sometimes, and I have no idea if this is current, advanced promotion above E-3 has been offered to folks with job experience in specific fields, at journeyman levels. I had enough experience in surveying to join the Seabees as an E-4, but told them I had no interest in ever doing that job again. Ever. Being an E-2 in aviation suited me just fine.

Still true in certain circumstances. There are also reserve only programs that may get you advanced. I know the Coasties do this and the Naval Reserve may as well. Don't forget the band where you can start as an E-6...I should have learned to play the triangle...

But to get that E-6, you had to be in The Service Band, ( USAF Band, USMC Band, Etc) , not the local base or unit band. Also needed several auditions, a music degree, and Lots of talent.
Michael P. McEleney
Lt Col CAP
MSG USA (Retired)
50 Year Member

SarDragon

Especially talent.

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Dave Bowles
Maj, CAP
AT1, USN Retired
50 Year Member
Mitchell Award (unnumbered)
C/WO, CAP, Ret

MHC5096

Back in 1989 when I was preparing to enlist I had completed 4 years of NJROTC the year before. The USA, USN and USAF all offered me E-3. The USMC and USCG offered me E-2. The MDNG offered me E-4 if I was willing to enlist as a Combat Engineer.

I ended up enlisting in the USN. I was paid as an E-3 from day one at RTC Great Lakes, but I wasn't authorized to to sew my Seaman stripes on until I reported to NTC Orlando for Quartermaster "A" School.

Mark H. Crary
Lt Col, CAP (1990-Present)
DVC-VI, CGAUX (2011-Present)
MSgt, USAF (1995-2011)
QM2, USN (1989-1995)

DakRadz

I had a very similar experience with all branches in 2011, except USCG was willing to give me E-3 as well.

I ended up with a hearing loss DQ, so I never got to the bartering level with the local Guard, though I think that was a possibility.

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Eclipse

Well it's been over a week and the young lady has not followed up, so the world may never know exactly what
her expectations were.  Frankly, I have no idea who she is, or if she actually was a member, since I don't even know here name.

"That Others May Zoom"

kirbahashi

Quote from: winterg on July 01, 2016, 12:57:21 PM
I enlisted in the USAF as a Mitchel cadet with the guaranteed E-3 after BMT.  What I didn't know until I got to Lackland was that my Mitchel meant I was automatically placed in a program that would allow me to graduate BMT in 10 days if I could prove I knew my stuff. It was a pretty grueling 10 days and of the dozen I started with in my group, only myself and one other did it.  The rest were recycled to complete the entire 6 weeks.

The PA program stopped at the end of CY 1992.  It was supposed to be FY92, and having got to BMT on 5 Oct 92, I was a little pissed.  Not really, but if you can get out of BMT early, you do it!  Two days in they said we were still a go for PA.  The personnel folks had to call Maxwell to verify my Mitchell as I did not receive my records in time (long before the internet and email...).  We had like 6 guys in my flight eligible, 2 washed out.  They still got E3 though. 

Anytime I would talk about this program, people would look at me like I am full of it.  Only met one other who did this.

I think I graduated DOT 18 because of the hiccups.  No big deal.  If it weren't for PA, I would not have been an LE Specialist (because I was an idiot and I signed up open general).  And instead of going to a different base for tech school, I literally went across the street.  So I still saw my old flight on the drill pad when my SP flight marched by.

I was just there last week to see my oldest graduate from BMT.  That place has changed!

There's only one thing I hate more than lying: skim milk. Which is water that's lying about being milk.

winterg

Yeah. Not a lot of us PA grads around!

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PHall

I did the PA program in 1974. And then sat in casual for 32 days because the "system" lost me. :o

winterg

Quote from: PHall on July 07, 2016, 05:25:00 PM
I did the PA program in 1974. And then sat in casual for 32 days because the "system" lost me. :o
Glad you saved all that time!

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PHall

Quote from: winterg on July 07, 2016, 07:29:29 PM
Quote from: PHall on July 07, 2016, 05:25:00 PM
I did the PA program in 1974. And then sat in casual for 32 days because the "system" lost me. :o
Glad you saved all that time!

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Being an a Rope in Casual was not a bad thing. Pulling all-night fire guard every third night in an office with a TV and a hotline to Dominos was not exactly taxing.
And nobody was yelling at you... 8)

winterg

That doesn't sound too horrible at all!

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grunt82abn

Must be nice, I didn't get pinned E-2 until after basic training, made E-3 with-in 6 months after arriving in the 82nd ABN, Specialist at the 24 months, and Corporal after I was boarded 36 months. I went through OUST at the Benning School for Boys in June 1989, and jump school right after.
Sean Riley, TSGT
US Army 1987 to 1994, WIARNG 1994 to 2008
DoD Firefighter Paramedic 2000 to Present