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Garibaldi
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« Reply #20 on: March 17, 2016, 09:16:07 AM »

Wait, let me get this straight, "Denying them oil and raw materials they needed was the final straw. They simply "had no choice" but to bite the hand that no longer fed them."  So we were denying them the materials they needed as they ravaged China?  I had no idea that was an honorable reason to attack us, much like the Twin Towers.  Very strange.  I had no idea we had an obligation to provide anything to anybody, especially those terrorizing other countries.  My Bad, I guess...  Wait, what????  There is no justification for the attack at Pearl Harbor, I don't care what your nationality is.

We had trade agreements with Japan and they were using those materials for their war. So we stopped them. The quotes around "had no choice" were meant as a slight against their perceived choice. They could have sucked it up and dealt with it, or could have attacked us. That was their view...THEIR VIEW that they "had no choice".  No rational choice, no rational reason. To them it was a big deal, to us it was a case of "screw them. They're just going to use this for their war machine". Kinda like a bunch of people flying jets into the WTC because their ideology and the promise of 72 virgins compelled them to, since the US meddles in the Middle East.

Done with this thread drift. Now, back to your regularly scheduled program.

Somewhere along the line, I recall seeing an article about the C-130/aircraft carrier program. It may have been here or in another group, but I'll check.
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« Reply #21 on: March 17, 2016, 09:23:53 AM »

Wait, let me get this straight, "Denying them oil and raw materials they needed was the final straw. They simply "had no choice" but to bite the hand that no longer fed them."  So we were denying them the materials they needed as they ravaged China?  I had no idea that was an honorable reason to attack us, much like the Twin Towers.  Very strange.  I had no idea we had an obligation to provide anything to anybody, especially those terrorizing other countries.  My Bad, I guess...  Wait, what????  There is no justification for the attack at Pearl Harbor, I don't care what your nationality is.

From the US point of view, you're correct. From the Japanese point of view? Not so much. Despite the "surprise" element of the 2 attacks, PH and 9/11 were not at all similar. PH was in response to a series of actions by the US, political, economic and military. The Pacific Fleet was a threat to the expansion of the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere and from the Japanese point of view, it needed to be eliminated. Seizing the initiative, the Japanese took PACFLT out of the game for a while. Take a look at Toland's "Rising Sun" books for an indepth discussion on the attack from the Japanese standpoint, and not the US "dirty sneak attack" rhetoric.
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Garibaldi
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« Reply #22 on: March 17, 2016, 09:33:05 AM »

OK, found some information about the C-130 test on the USS Forrestal. One of our former Sandy Springs members was a test pilot for this program. He made something like 29 touch and goes and 21 full-stop takeoffs and landings. All unassisted, meaning no catapult or arresting hook. Apparently, the distance between the island and the wings was very close so much attention had to be paid. Here is a link to a video of a  takeoff and landing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfwJJD5jGXk

Anyway, tried to get this back on topic somewhat. Have a good day!

*information credited to a GAWG CAP veterans site, administered by my unit historian.

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« Reply #23 on: March 17, 2016, 02:01:18 PM »

Garibaldi, that was on a different thread. This was on the Doolitle thread! Some members may think you did not went away from the Pearl Harbor posts too much...

 >:D

...but good try anyway!

 ;)

Good way to save the day!

It is always good to see another post with a link to a different video on the same topic I did about ten messages back...

Thank you.

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Garibaldi
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« Reply #24 on: March 17, 2016, 02:20:50 PM »

Garibaldi, that was on a different thread. This was on the Doolitle thread! Some members may think you did not went away from the Pearl Harbor posts too much...

 >:D

...but good try anyway!

 ;)

Good way to save the day!

It is always good to see another post with a link to a different video on the same topic I did about ten messages back...

Thank you.

 :clap:

...thank you?
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« Reply #25 on: March 17, 2016, 03:20:57 PM »

THRAWN, Despite the "surprise" element of the 2 attacks, PH and 9/11 were not at all similar.  You might want to ask the families of the approximately 3000 dead in each attack about that.
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« Reply #26 on: March 17, 2016, 04:09:26 PM »

THRAWN, Despite the "surprise" element of the 2 attacks, PH and 9/11 were not at all similar.  You might want to ask the families of the approximately 3000 dead in each attack about that.

That's one of the most asinine statements I've read in a while, and on CAPTALK that's saying something.
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« Reply #27 on: March 17, 2016, 04:48:46 PM »

Yes, very asinine.  Other than both were totally unprovoked.  Both killed anyone in the area, not just military.  Both started a war.  Both were attacks on the United states of America.  Both were totally unjustified.  Both were without honor.  And both have tried to play political correctness to warp the history of it all.  Try reading the Air Force Magazine regarding the Smithsonian attempting to place a sign on Enola Gay that made it sound like Americans were the war mongers.  This was at the demand of the Japanese and politically correct liberals in this country.  No, we won't forget, nor should we.   
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« Reply #28 on: March 17, 2016, 05:06:12 PM »

There is no "political correctness" about it. Both attacks have 2 sides to the issues. Ignoring the point of view of the attacker does little other than demonstrate a lack of critical thinking. The IJN was instrumental in the expansion of the Japanese Empire. They viewed PACFLT as a threat to that expansion. They attempted to eliminate that threat. They targeted military facilities, ships and aircraft. AQ hates the west. Period. We do not fit into their world view. They attacked and appropriated civilian assets to attack, primarily, civilian targets. Some similarities between the two, many differences.
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« Reply #29 on: March 17, 2016, 05:16:27 PM »

Demonstrate critical thinking?  Equating the point of the attacker to the point of the attacked?  Very strange.  So bullies are justified because they have a "point of view"?  There is right, there is wrong.  To attack another nation that is not attacking you is wrong.  It doesn't matter what their point of view is. 
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« Reply #30 on: March 17, 2016, 05:25:04 PM »

I am sorry if my question created hard feelings, I will be more careful what I write in the future.  I was only wondering if the USAF ever operated on aircraft carriers.  Sorry.
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« Reply #31 on: March 17, 2016, 05:32:09 PM »

I am sorry if my question created hard feelings, I will be more careful what I write in the future.  I was only wondering if the USAF ever operated on aircraft carriers.  Sorry.
Not your problem.   ???
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« Reply #32 on: March 17, 2016, 05:34:24 PM »

I am sorry if my question created hard feelings, I will be more careful what I write in the future.  I was only wondering if the USAF ever operated on aircraft carriers.  Sorry.
Not your problem.   ???
Unfortunately some people around here are just wound a little too tight. Seriously guys, can we get back to the much cooler story of landing a great big cargo plane not designed to be used on an aircraft carrier on an aircraft carrier?
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« Reply #33 on: March 17, 2016, 06:51:57 PM »

I am sorry if my question created hard feelings, I will be more careful what I write in the future.  I was only wondering if the USAF ever operated on aircraft carriers.  Sorry.

No hard feelings here. Debate and discussion doesnt create hard feelings. Rhetorical regurgitation often does.

Now back to the thread.
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THRAWN
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« Reply #34 on: March 17, 2016, 06:53:13 PM »

Demonstrate critical thinking?  Equating the point of the attacker to the point of the attacked?  Very strange.  So bullies are justified because they have a "point of view"?  There is right, there is wrong.  To attack another nation that is not attacking you is wrong.  It doesn't matter what their point of view is.

So by that logic, the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq were wrong. As well as Somalia, Panama, Grenada, Central America in the early 1900s....shall I go on?


Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
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« Reply #35 on: March 17, 2016, 07:13:56 PM »



Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

Does this mean you are finally looking at defecting to the Republic?
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THRAWN
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« Reply #36 on: March 17, 2016, 07:43:58 PM »



Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

Does this mean you are finally looking at defecting to the Republic?

Its the choice between Mt Dew and crabjuice....
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« Reply #37 on: March 17, 2016, 09:18:28 PM »

OK, found some information about the C-130 test on the USS Forrestal. One of our former Sandy Springs members was a test pilot for this program. He made something like 29 touch and goes and 21 full-stop takeoffs and landings. All unassisted, meaning no catapult or arresting hook. Apparently, the distance between the island and the wings was very close so much attention had to be paid. Here is a link to a video of a  takeoff and landing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfwJJD5jGXk

Anyway, tried to get this back on topic somewhat. Have a good day!

*information credited to a GAWG CAP veterans site, administered by my unit historian.

Thanks to all for these C-130 posts.  I remember hearing strange stories about this, then hearing enough to realize it actually happened, but this is really good stuff.  Strange, but I always had thought it was an Air Force crew.  Anyway, amazing what can be done with an airplane in the right hands.
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THRAWN
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« Reply #38 on: March 17, 2016, 09:22:36 PM »

There was a JAG episode that featured a Herc trapping on the SEAHAWK. At the end they did a "tribute" to the crew that actually made a landing. Serious brass. I have 130s flying over my head daily and I cant imagine one of them making a carrier landing.
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« Reply #39 on: March 17, 2016, 10:01:20 PM »

There was a JAG episode that featured a Herc trapping on the SEAHAWK.

I learned about Pardo's Push in 1967 after randomly watching a JAG episode.
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