So... Yeah

[Майор Хаткевич]

Kids say stupid stuff all the time.

It's distasteful, crass and crosses some boundaries, but at this point it's JUST words.

When did the CC find out? Yesterday? Give him time.

Is this an ongoing thing? A few weeks? Months? Why haven't you posted about it before then?

Has the cadet been told to stop, but he continues?

Lots of questions, better addressed to yourself, and then proceed with the advice given by others to follow through with the CoC to the required level.

[abdsp51]

Slow down everyone!  You're jumping faster than someone can actually do anything....

The commander now knows, give him a few days to do something about it.  It isn't an group/wing/region/IG thing until the squadron commander has had reasonable time to correct the situation.

Have you not read everything on this?  It has been stated to use the CoC and keep going up.  Either way this behavior has greater potential for far more serious things and needs to be dealt with now.  When is reasonable in your mind?  When cadet's parents have filed a suit, when cadet x has had enough of cadet y's bs and takes matters into his own hands?  I am willing to bet if it was your kid or your workplace you would be singing a different tune.

[Major Lord]

By notifying your commander, you have completed your duty according to regulation. Your Commander is not going to be in a position to discuss with you specifically how he will deal with the allegations. My guess is that you suspect that he (?) will take no action. Give him a reasonable time to act- the black hole of command can lose almost anything for days, months or years, so strive for patience. You would not be completely off base to suspect this as a possibility, but its far more likely that your Commander will kick it upstairs.

My suggestion to you is that you carefully draft a written report of what actually transpired, omitting your opinions insofar as this is possible, and providing a COPY to your CC, listing the CC as the sole recipient of the draft in the circulation portion of your memo,  and marked as a draft, allowing you to revise and extend the report if required at a later date. ( If you have a family attorney, you can also add a cc marked Dewey, Cheatum, Esq, at the bottom of the page, you don't actually have to send the copy to your attorney until or if, it becomes necessary)  The implication of this should be immediately clear to any CC with half a brain ( And I apologize in advance to any CC's who may have less than half a brain) , that is to say, you expect the CC to take reasonable and prudent actions regarding your complaint, especially since they directly go to the issue of the safety of one of your cadets. Your CC has a duty to act, but on the off chance you have a CC more interested in CYA ( new term: CCCYA)you have gone on record ( as well as doing so here, publicly)

Is it likely that your self described homosexual would-be, rapist might actually cause any harm to your unknowing victim? Are they neighbors? Schoolmates? If safety and honor dictate that you must act to defend the potential victim, I suggest you ask your commander his intentions, and if he tells you that he believes your complaint to be meritless, you would be within your rights to contact the I.G. or a Chaplain ( Both of whom also have a legal duty to act in regards to the safety of a child)

Remember that we are a civilian corporation, not a military organization, and our regulations  have the same power as the J.C. Penny's employee handbook; They are not binding on you in law, but can severely effect your relationship with the Corporation if you bend or break them, so whenever possible, act within the guidelines. On the other hand, if exigent circumstances require you to step outside the chain of command in defense of life, no CAP member of conscience ( there are at least 11 of these at last count) would condemn you for taking action. As a last resort, you could contact the parents of the "victim" cadet to give them a warning, but this is a hazardous approach from a variety of angles of attack.

Major Lord

[Eclipse]

...CAP member of conscience ( there are at least 11 of these at last count)

Cite please...

[bflynn]

Have you not read everything on this?  It has been stated to use the CoC and keep going up.  Either way this behavior has greater potential for far more serious things and needs to be dealt with now.  When is reasonable in your mind?  When cadet's parents have filed a suit, when cadet x has had enough of cadet y's bs and takes matters into his own hands?  I am willing to bet if it was your kid or your workplace you would be singing a different tune.

Yes, I have read it all.

The original post was at about 10pm.  By 2am, it had had been suggested to escalate through group and wing and become an IG issue.

Relax a little.  This should be addressed at the next available opportunity and I'm sure it will be. 

[Extremepredjudice]

The original post was at about 10pm.  By 2am, it had had been suggested to escalate through group and wing and become an IG issue.

Sir, this is something that has been going on for a while. Not just for one meeting.

To clarify: This is more than one cadet doing this. The "would-be" rapist, IMHO, meant it as a joke.

[abdsp51]

Have you not read everything on this?  It has been stated to use the CoC and keep going up.  Either way this behavior has greater potential for far more serious things and needs to be dealt with now.  When is reasonable in your mind?  When cadet's parents have filed a suit, when cadet x has had enough of cadet y's bs and takes matters into his own hands?  I am willing to bet if it was your kid or your workplace you would be singing a different tune.

Yes, I have read it all.

The original post was at about 10pm.  By 2am, it had had been suggested to escalate through group and wing and become an IG issue.

Relax a little.  This should be addressed at the next available opportunity and I'm sure it will be.

Go back and look it said go there if nothing has been done.

[41839j]

Also suggest that everyone just take a few deep breaths here and relax.  You may or may not ever find out what the squadron commander did about it.  You made your report, and I would drop it at that point unless it continues to happen or happens again.  This might have simply been dealt with the first time by a private talk behind closed doors.

[bflynn]

The original post was at about 10pm.  By 2am, it had had been suggested to escalate through group and wing and become an IG issue.

Sir, this is something that has been going on for a while. Not just for one meeting.

To clarify: This is more than one cadet doing this. The "would-be" rapist, IMHO, meant it as a joke.

Ok, and how long has the squadron commander known?  When did you tell him and is he aware that it hasn't stopped?

[BrannG]

I would have to agree with Maj. Lord.

The proper steps is to draft a formal report and turn it into the CC. You actually can cc: the IG, as this is considered "Sexual Harassment of a Minor" and could very well be a very large issue.

The CC or IG would than, by law, have to involved the parents of the cadets in question. Being cadets, they are minors - all the regulation in the world could go on, and the end result is "parent's ruling". Now the CC or IG would contact the victim cadet's parents, explain the situation and it is up the them to press charges or handle internally. What ever they choose is how it will play out.

If the case was with senior members, that would be an entirely different story, and the CC or IG would have a lot more room to act. The key issue here is that we are talking about minors.

I hate seeing anything like this.. on the good side, two cadets are getting an early and I am sure memorable lesson in Sexual Harassment, bad side - this happened. There is a zero tolerance to this kind of behavior, and fact is - even the cadet who reported it could press charges saying that he/she was uncomfortable with the situation. That is also a form of sexual harassment. Even if it was all joking around - the law doesn't care - its a very tricky situation. Lets hope that the kids are just being kids and that the cadet who is issuing the advancements isn't in fact one very sick individual.

[Major Lord]

...CAP member of conscience ( there are at least 11 of these at last count)

Cite please...

Are you questioning whether there are at least 11? ( Or just wondering whether you made the list?)

Major Lord

[Майор Хаткевич]

Eleven may have been revealed, but we all know that it's the twelfth member that is the MOST important!

The search goes on. 

[bflynn]

the cadet who reported it could press charges saying that he/she was uncomfortable with the situation. That is also a form of sexual harassment.

Press charges with who?

My take is that this probably isn't what it's made out to be.  There needs to be a correction, but to have it rise to the level of a legal entanglement is over the top.

Then again, I don't know...and neither do the people that keep escalating it...

[Major Lord]

Eleven may have been revealed, but we all know that it's the twelfth member that is the MOST important!

The search goes on.

Note I said that there are At least 11. Eclipse must be so cynical he does not think that there are even that many! If you have a suggestion for a certified member of good conscience, you may nominate them for addition to the list ( currently maintained on a 3 X 5 card written in crayon) Naturally, government employees except members of the military, Amway sales people, lawyers, anyone from Chicago, Washington D.C.,  and New Orleans are automatically disqualified due to the distributive property of evil.

Major Lord

[abdsp51]

the cadet who reported it could press charges saying that he/she was uncomfortable with the situation. That is also a form of sexual harassment.

Press charges with who?

My take is that this probably isn't what it's made out to be.  There needs to be a correction, but to have it rise to the level of a legal entanglement is over the top.

Then again, I don't know...and neither do the people that keep escalating it...

No one is escalating it and it is upto the victim and cc to decide if legal action is warranted.  And for charges well one can go with assault easily and there is always civil litigation as well.  People have only advised the cadet on what to do and given the nature regardless of the location or organization it needs to be addressed immediately.  But since it's a volunteer organization it's not that important.  I'd hate to see how you'd react if it happened in your office.

[Eclipse]

11, maybe.  I'd say any more than 15 would be a stretch.

[bflynn]

I dunno, I'm starting to think 11 is a stretch...

[Майор Хаткевич]

I dunno, I'm starting to think 11 is a stretch...

I didn't know you thought any of us are potentially decent people...

[FW]

I'm confused....

I thought there was a specific chain of events which MUST take place when a commander gets a complaint of cadet abuse; sexual or otherwise.  Have things changed in the last year or so?

BTW; it's usual policy to report such complaints "immediately" (there is a 24 hr hotline for this).

[Eclipse]

Yep, but there's a few people with no experience in these matters providing advice.