TOO Much ado...

[Major Carrales]

As of 14 December 2006

Posts in the CAPTALK UNIFORM SECTION...3412 in 148 topics

Posts in the CAPTALK SAFETY SECTION...68 in 10 topics

'nuff said, food for thought...eh?

[shorning]

So when can we expect a safety thread from you?

[Major Carrales]

So when can we expect a safety thread from you?

At my Squadron, on meeting night.  The point remains valid.

[davedove]

As of 14 December 2006

Posts in the CAPTALK UNIFORM SECTION...3412 in 148 topics

Posts in the CAPTALK SAFETY SECTION...68 in 10 topics

'nuff said, food for thought...eh?

At first glance, this would make it seem that we are more concerned about uniforms than we are about safety.

To me it tells a different story.  It tells me that the people who post don't have any real gripes about the safety regs, or that nobody has seen that many gross safety violations.

[Al Sayre]

I see it as a confidence issue.  Many people are not comfortable with their knowledge levels on various topics, and are therefore hesitant to post.  However, when it comes to uniforms everyone is supposed to have one and wear it, hence a commonality, and feel that they know enough about the topic to post.

[lordmonar]

It also has to do with the debatability of the topic.

"The key to safety is personal responsibility"

That is all you got to post.  There is no debating that.  There is nothing to add.  We can all just post "I agree" posts or post our stories about how we got yelled at enforcing safety rules...but there is nothing really to debate.

"I think berets rock and we should all wear them" However is a much more open topic that a lot of people have Strong feelings about.

I don't come here to CAPTALK or CADETSTUFF as an extention of the my squadron meetings.  I come here to talk to my fellow CAP members about stuff I am intrested in.

If that is not to your liking, don't post or start another board that is a little more serious (like squadron command).

[MIKE]

I like uniforms.

[Major Carrales]

It also has to do with the debatability of the topic.

"The key to safety is personal responsibility"

That is all you got to post.  There is no debating that.  There is nothing to add.  We can all just post "I agree" posts or post our stories about how we got yelled at enforcing safety rules...but there is nothing really to debate.

"I think berets rock and we should all wear them" However is a much more open topic that a lot of people have Strong feelings about.

I don't come here to CAPTALK or CADETSTUFF as an extention of the my squadron meetings.  I come here to talk to my fellow CAP members about stuff I am intrested in.

If that is not to your liking, don't post or start another board that is a little more serious (like squadron command).

There is a lot to debate....there is so much to at least go over.  That safety programs must exist is not a question.

Bring on the stories.  If you don't see this as an extention of a squadron meeting, so be it.  Why else are we al here then if not to make useful discussion.  Not discussing REAL issues of mission readiness and operations if the greatest wast of energy in a form like this.

As for Uniform issues, it should be the same as you describe of safety.  Just wear the uniform correctly and be done with it.  Its a sick sad world where peopel describe, discuss, speculate, fight and get personal about flightsuits at meetings and the position of a device on a service coat; but so little is said about the substantial issues that TRUELY drive and are the live's blood of this ORGANIZATION.

[Major Carrales]

If that is not to your liking, don't post or start another board that is a little more serious (like squadron command).

If I may be so bold, that is the most disengenuious thing people post here.  That's like telling a person not to be involved in goverment or community if they don't like it.  It promotes apathy.

It is disengenuious to claim you post here to talk about stuff you are "interested in," then chide people for expressing their opinion on an issue, rahter on the "subject" of an issue.

I feel that the UNIFORM discussion on these boards is disporportional to almost everything else...how does that diminish you in any way? 

[ColonelJack]

Of course, it could just mean that we like talking about uniforms.

Jack

[Hawk200]

Of course, it could just mean that we like talking about uniforms.

Jack

I like talking about uniforms...

[Major Carrales]

Of course, it could just mean that we like talking about uniforms.

Jack

True, if that is the case alone,  the I have little problem with it's discussion.  However, there are those that seem to lack the passion for anything else and most likely have committed CAPM 39-1 to memory like a bloody Bible...do not other regulations deserve the same respect?

If I am wrong here...let me know.  But you will have to prove it to me.

[Hawk200]

I feel that the UNIFORM discussion on these boards is disporportional to almost everything else...how does that diminish you in any way? 

There's a number of ways to address you're opinion of disproportion. One mans trash is another mans treasure, one mans folly is anothers quest... There are a few more, but I can't think of them right now, I think the concept is clear.

Some people give more priority to one thing than another. Some people are wild about Star Trek, others have rather extravagant butterfly collections, some people collect rocks or potato chips, others can tell every constellation in either hemimsphere.

Different people have different things that they find of interest. It's not right to make a statement that people can infer as a judgement against their interests.

[mikeylikey]

Close this thread!  Someone started it just to cause problems. 

[Major Carrales]

Different people have different things that they find of interest. It's not right to make a statement that people can infer as a judgement against their interests.

The initial topic was...

As of 14 December 2006

Posts in the CAPTALK UNIFORM SECTION...3412 in 148 topics

Posts in the CAPTALK SAFETY SECTION...68 in 10 topics

'nuff said, food for thought...eh?

Immediately some people took offense.  Seems this food for thought causes indigestion.  Look at the replies...

One person made a personnal attack asking about my record on safety.  Another basically told me to "bugger off," saying "If that is not to your liking, don't post or start another board that is a little more serious."  Now yo umak ethe assertion that I cam "judging people."

Curious, that this is the most "sore subject" in CAP.  I have learned a lot today form this...

In anycase, this is the last uniform topic I am following.  I will tkae the advice I am given here on that matter.  I will judge no one. And I will concentrate on other matters.

By the way, I am a Star Trek fan and post their regularly as well.

[Major Carrales]

Close this thread!  Someone started it just to cause problems. 

No, I started to point out an issue.  The Issue became a problem.  Why then would a post that was 4 lines long be such a problem?  I guess "Them's fightin' words."

The point is been made, I have learned a lot.  Leave it open as a monument to a truth... UNIFORMS are the PRIORITY!

[lordmonar]

If that is not to your liking, don't post or start another board that is a little more serious (like squadron command).

If I may be so bold, that is the most disengenuious thing people post here.  That's like telling a person not to be involved in goverment or community if they don't like it.  It promotes apathy.

It is disengenuious to claim you post here to talk about stuff you are "interested in," then chide people for expressing their opinion on an issue, rahter on the "subject" of an issue.

I feel that the UNIFORM discussion on these boards is disporportional to almost everything else...how does that diminish you in any way? 

I'm sorry you feel that way.  But here you are complaining that we are not talking about things of substance.  Which in and of itself not a thing of substance.

Yes there are a lot of things we can learn from other topics...and I do read them....but there is not a lot to discuss.

Safety is an important issue.  Make a post, we all read it, and then that is all.  Nothing to rebut, nothing to add nothing to debate.

If you don't like the the amount of time other people devote to uniforms...I can understand that, but so what?  If you don't like it don't particpate.  I don't post on your safety thread...this is boring why are we waisting our time.  No.  I read the post and move on.  That is all I am saying.  I am not saying you should not make your posts on other topics, I am not saying you can't participate.  But I am saying it is awfully arrogant to come in and say you are all waisting your time with uniform issues, suggesting that we do not know or do not care about other issues.

If you don't like the uniform threads don't particpate.  If you think this board is not the proper place for serious discussion of other issues then find/make a board where it is more appropriate.

[lordmonar]

Of course, it could just mean that we like talking about uniforms.

Jack

True, if that is the case alone,  the I have little problem with it's discussion.  However, there are those that seem to lack the passion for anything else and most likely have committed CAPM 39-1 to memory like a bloody Bible...do not other regulations deserve the same respect?

If I am wrong here...let me know.  But you will have to prove it to me.

I don't know...I think I have a pretty good handle on 52-19, AFMAN 36-2203, CAPR 35-1, 35-2, 35-3, 35-4, 20-1, 50-4, 50-17, the old 60-1 and all the policy letters, 110-1 V1, 100-3.

So what does that prove?

Come up with an safety issue that is debatable and we will go to town.  Come up with a leadership or operations issue that is debatable and you will see more posts.

Uniforms are a good safe topic where you can spew at the mouth expressing a lot of opinion that will not cost anyone's life.

Operations and safety...are not the same.

[sandman]

Hi folks, Just to chime in...I think Joe brings up a fair point, and I saw it as just an observation. I think discussing uniforms is fun as well and which touches off many powder kegs.
Everyone is a safety officer...at least that is what is drilled into our skulls every safety briefing. So, take time to look at the safety thread on occasion, maybe there is some wisdom that one can use in a future "deployment", and comment or add to the "corporate knowledge" of safety while browsing the thread!
...It's all good...

[Hawk200]

Immediately some people took offense.  Seems this food for thought causes indigestion.  Look at the replies...

They may have thought you were passing judgement.

One person made a personnal attack asking about my record on safety.  

I missed that one.  Have to show it to me.

Another basically told me to "bugger off," saying "If that is not to your liking, don't post or start another board that is a little more serious."  

If something offends you, do you make a point of seeking it out? It's like hanging out with smokers, and then complaining about cigarette smoke. To the smokers, it doesn't fly, and may create other opinions of you (don't ask me what those opinions are, I don't know, just pointing it out).

People here simply reacted in the same way.

Now yo umak ethe assertion that I cam "judging people."

No, I did not. I pointed out that some people may consider your statement a judgement against their interests. The above statement is not accurate, although it may be recieved that you are judging people.

Curious, that this is the most "sore subject" in CAP.  I have learned a lot today form this...

That's why we come here, to learn.

In anycase, this is the last uniform topic I am following.  I will tkae the advice I am given here on that matter.  I will judge no one. And I will concentrate on other matters.

I'm sorry to hear this. I've seen a number of your posts on uniform matters, and you have raised some good ones. I believe that there were a few of your posts that have changed my personal outlook on uniform issues.

By the way, I am a Star Trek fan and post their regularly as well.

I follow Trek as well, although I mostly just read the books. I don't participate on any of the boards, because I really haven't thought to do so. I may look into it.