Electronic Flight Bag

Started by grunt82abn, May 29, 2016, 11:13:44 PM

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grunt82abn

I tried searching this topic and couldn't find what I was looking for, sorry if it was already covered here on CAP talk.

Is there a standard program that CAP uses for a pilots electronic flight bag, I currently use Fore-flight, and was just curious if CAP had an across the board standard. Thanks
Sean Riley, TSGT
US Army 1987 to 1994, WIARNG 1994 to 2008
DoD Firefighter Paramedic 2000 to Present

vento

There are no standards. From my own observation, the vast majority of aircrew use ForeFlight, followed closely by members using FlyQ.

JeffDG

FlightPlan Go is another good option.

It's up to the PIC to determine that he has all available information for flight.

Panzerbjorn

I'm deeply embedded in ForeFlight, but I've been very slowly migrating towards WingXPro as their full subscriptions are free for CFIs.

Like what was already mentioned, what EFB app you use is purely personal choice.
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grunt82abn

Awesome!!! Thanks for the info!!! For school I use Foreflight on an iPad mini with a Bad Elf GPS chip which has worked great so far. I am just getting to know the program and was wondering besides Foreflight what was out there, besides Garmin Pilot, being used by CAP pilots.
Sean Riley, TSGT
US Army 1987 to 1994, WIARNG 1994 to 2008
DoD Firefighter Paramedic 2000 to Present

Check Pilot/Tow Pilot

Hi Sean, I fly about 100 to 150 hours a year for CAP and ForeFlight has been a fantastic addition to my mission flying.

I use the integrated SAR features to great effect. Also the Logbook is an excellent addition that allows for Signatures and a flight photo.

In addition, I use a homemade 1090ES and 978 ADS-B receiver that connects over WI-FI to ForeFlight.

What is really helpful is CAP Flight Pro that allows me to do a Weight and Balance/F71 and upload that form to WMIRS. Sadly it is now only available to previous owners 😔

Check Pilot/Tow Pilot

Quote from: Panzerbjorn on May 30, 2016, 01:41:34 AM
I'm deeply embedded in ForeFlight, but I've been very slowly migrating towards WingXPro as their full subscriptions are free for CFIs.

Like what was already mentioned, what EFB app you use is purely personal choice.
Panzerbjorn, I'm at ATP in Vegas getting my MEI/CFI/CFII, and am also deeply entrenched in ForeFlight. I was looking at adding WingXPro due to their offering for CFI's.

How is the transition or addition to WingXPro going?

etodd

Quote from: Mission/Tow Pilot on May 30, 2016, 04:17:32 PM
Hi Sean, I fly about 100 to 150 hours a year for CAP and ForeFlight has been a fantastic addition to my mission flying.

I use the integrated SAR features to great effect. Also the Logbook is an excellent addition that allows for Signatures and a flight photo.


Dittos on Foreflight. I think I was one of the first, its been several years. The more you use it the more you learn. As yes ... having the CAP SAR patterns included makes it a win-win.
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Quote from: etodd on May 31, 2016, 01:52:26 AM
Quote from: Mission/Tow Pilot on May 30, 2016, 04:17:32 PM
Hi Sean, I fly about 100 to 150 hours a year for CAP and ForeFlight has been a fantastic addition to my mission flying.

I use the integrated SAR features to great effect. Also the Logbook is an excellent addition that allows for Signatures and a flight photo.


Dittos on Foreflight. I think I was one of the first, its been several years. The more you use it the more you learn. As yes ... having the CAP SAR patterns included makes it a win-win.
Yeah I remember seeing ForeFlight Mobile 1.0 as a web page but was not too interested. When the app version as 2.0 came out I started using it in late 2008 or early 2009. Then I liked WingX better.

When I become a MEI/CFI/CFII I really need to know both!

grunt82abn

THANK YOU ALL!!! It's great to be able to reach out and see what CAP members are using.
Sean Riley, TSGT
US Army 1987 to 1994, WIARNG 1994 to 2008
DoD Firefighter Paramedic 2000 to Present

Panzerbjorn

Quote from: Mission/Tow Pilot on May 30, 2016, 04:21:26 PM
Quote from: Panzerbjorn on May 30, 2016, 01:41:34 AM
I'm deeply embedded in ForeFlight, but I've been very slowly migrating towards WingXPro as their full subscriptions are free for CFIs.

Like what was already mentioned, what EFB app you use is purely personal choice.
Panzerbjorn, I'm at ATP in Vegas getting my MEI/CFI/CFII, and am also deeply entrenched in ForeFlight. I was looking at adding WingXPro due to their offering for CFI's.

How is the transition or addition to WingXPro going?

To be honest, quite slow.  I keep 'running home to mama', so to speak, when I'm teaching because I don't have the comfort and familiarity with WingXPro yet that I do with ForeFlight.  I'll probably always be a ForeFlight guy, and love the app.  But I want to be versatile with multiple EFB apps to allow my students the choice that best fits them.  Right now, I'm very good at selling my students on ForeFlight, but not too keen on what I pay ForeFlight per year as an instructor to spread the gospel.

While ForeFlight and WingXPro do essentially the same thing, and both apps even have search and rescue functions, they just do them very differently.  My boss uses WingX exclusively, and has a hard time figuring out ForeFlight, while I'm the other way around.  What I look for in an EFB app besides its capabilities and price is how intuitive the app is.  WingXPro to me just doesn't feel intuitive yet.
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Live2Learn

Foreflight Pro with synthetic vision ($174.99 annual cost).  I use the SAR package, and have found SV very helpful when flying in "VFR" smoke and haze.  I use a 2013 iPad on a Ram yoke mount.  It works well in a CAP 182.  I like the larger screen than the Mini since sometimes detail is important. 

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Quote from: Live2Learn on June 02, 2016, 12:19:30 AM
Foreflight Pro with synthetic vision ($174.99 annual cost).  I use the SAR package, and have found SV very helpful when flying in "VFR" smoke and haze.  I use a 2013 iPad on a Ram yoke mount.  It works well in a CAP 182.  I like the larger screen than the Mini since sometimes detail is important.
Cool, I use ForeFlight Pro Plus on a 2016 iPad mini as it seems to fit the right side of yoke better in portrait orientation. Here is a pic, and don't give me crap about the uniform :)


Garibaldi

Quote from: Mission/Tow Pilot on June 02, 2016, 05:02:29 AM
Quote from: Live2Learn on June 02, 2016, 12:19:30 AM
Foreflight Pro with synthetic vision ($174.99 annual cost).  I use the SAR package, and have found SV very helpful when flying in "VFR" smoke and haze.  I use a 2013 iPad on a Ram yoke mount.  It works well in a CAP 182.  I like the larger screen than the Mini since sometimes detail is important.
Cool, I use ForeFlight Pro Plus on a 2016 iPad mini as it seems to fit the right side of yoke better in portrait orientation. Here is a pic, and don't give me crap about the uniform :)



You know durn well we can turn any topic into a uniform thread...
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Quote from: Garibaldi on June 04, 2016, 02:31:45 PM
Quote from: Mission/Tow Pilot on June 02, 2016, 05:02:29 AM
Quote from: Live2Learn on June 02, 2016, 12:19:30 AM
Foreflight Pro with synthetic vision ($174.99 annual cost).  I use the SAR package, and have found SV very helpful when flying in "VFR" smoke and haze.  I use a 2013 iPad on a Ram yoke mount.  It works well in a CAP 182.  I like the larger screen than the Mini since sometimes detail is important.
Cool, I use ForeFlight Pro Plus on a 2016 iPad mini as it seems to fit the right side of yoke better in portrait orientation. Here is a pic, and don't give me crap about the uniform :)



You know durn well we can turn any topic into a uniform thread...
Bring it [emoji6]


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JeffDG

Quote from: Mission/Tow Pilot on June 02, 2016, 05:02:29 AM
Quote from: Live2Learn on June 02, 2016, 12:19:30 AM
Foreflight Pro with synthetic vision ($174.99 annual cost).  I use the SAR package, and have found SV very helpful when flying in "VFR" smoke and haze.  I use a 2013 iPad on a Ram yoke mount.  It works well in a CAP 182.  I like the larger screen than the Mini since sometimes detail is important.
Cool, I use ForeFlight Pro Plus on a 2016 iPad mini as it seems to fit the right side of yoke better in portrait orientation. Here is a pic, and don't give me crap about the uniform :)


Curious:  Why do you have a different approach up on the iPad than you're flying?  iPad shows a straight LNAV, but panel shows you flying an LNAV+V approach.

Panzerbjorn

Quote from: JeffDG on June 04, 2016, 04:00:24 PM
Quote from: Mission/Tow Pilot on June 02, 2016, 05:02:29 AM
Quote from: Live2Learn on June 02, 2016, 12:19:30 AM
Foreflight Pro with synthetic vision ($174.99 annual cost).  I use the SAR package, and have found SV very helpful when flying in "VFR" smoke and haze.  I use a 2013 iPad on a Ram yoke mount.  It works well in a CAP 182.  I like the larger screen than the Mini since sometimes detail is important.
Cool, I use ForeFlight Pro Plus on a 2016 iPad mini as it seems to fit the right side of yoke better in portrait orientation. Here is a pic, and don't give me crap about the uniform :)


Curious:  Why do you have a different approach up on the iPad than you're flying?  iPad shows a straight LNAV, but panel shows you flying an LNAV+V approach.

The G1000 will still calculate VNAV "recommendations" for you even when it's not an LPV approach.
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Quote from: JeffDG on June 04, 2016, 04:00:24 PM
Curious:  Why do you have a different approach up on the iPad than you're flying?  iPad shows a straight LNAV, but panel shows you flying an LNAV+V approach.
Good catch!

At KSNS the only approach for RWY 13 is the RNAV GPS approach with an MDA of 540 feet. However, Garmin provides for the G1000 to display an advisory glideslope as an LNAV+V approach.  This was allowed by the FAA in AC 90-107 http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC%2090-107.pdf

In essence, the most basic line of RNAV (GPS) minimums is the "LNAV" line, meaning "Lateral Navigation". There is no vertical guidance, it's like a VOR approach, and can be flown without WAAS. Garmin (and others) provide an "advisory" glideslope to help make a nice, stabilized descent instead of the "dive and drive" that non-precision approaches typically resulted in. This was termed "LNAV+V" to show that an advisory glideslope was available and could be used for SA.


JeffDG

Quote from: Panzerbjorn on June 04, 2016, 04:24:23 PM
Quote from: JeffDG on June 04, 2016, 04:00:24 PM
Quote from: Mission/Tow Pilot on June 02, 2016, 05:02:29 AM
Quote from: Live2Learn on June 02, 2016, 12:19:30 AM
Foreflight Pro with synthetic vision ($174.99 annual cost).  I use the SAR package, and have found SV very helpful when flying in "VFR" smoke and haze.  I use a 2013 iPad on a Ram yoke mount.  It works well in a CAP 182.  I like the larger screen than the Mini since sometimes detail is important.
Cool, I use ForeFlight Pro Plus on a 2016 iPad mini as it seems to fit the right side of yoke better in portrait orientation. Here is a pic, and don't give me crap about the uniform :)


Curious:  Why do you have a different approach up on the iPad than you're flying?  iPad shows a straight LNAV, but panel shows you flying an LNAV+V approach.

The G1000 will still calculate VNAV "recommendations" for you even when it's not an LPV approach.


There are 3 different types of RNAV approaches.

LNAV only (on chart)
LNAV+V (on G1000)
And LPV

These are all distinct, although the you can have all of them on one approach, the plate shown is LNAV only.

Check Pilot/Tow Pilot

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Quote from: JeffDG on June 04, 2016, 04:27:02 PM

There are 3 different types of RNAV approaches.

LNAV only (on chart)
LNAV+V (on G1000)
And LPV

These are all distinct, although the you can have all of them on one approach, the plate shown is LNAV only.
Yes the +V is for guidance only.

So there are really only the following types of charted RNAV (GPS) approaches (Correct me if I'm wrong):

LNAV
LNAV/VNAV
LPV
LP
RNP

FAA Pub: https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ato/service_units/techops/navservices/gnss/library/factsheets/media/RNAV_QFSheet.pdf