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 91 
 on: February 22, 2018, 03:21:57 PM 
Started by BraveRifles19D - Last post by Fester
I see this as both a plus and a minus. Good if weather is a problem in your area and bad if you can't use the incentive of having a test for each achievement. Are we going to have cadets showing up only once every 6 months for a PT test?

I printed out the new Cadet Physical Fitness Training Data Input Worksheet for the first time a few days ago. Whoever designed the form doesn't seem to know that HFZ is required for the Wright Brothers Achievement.
If that is all they are showing up for.....then no they are not going to get promoted.  Active Participation in regular activities is still required for advancement.
I had a cadet who thought if they just showed up once a month (on testing night) then I would just rubber stamp their promotion to C/CMSgt.     When instead I gave him a F50 spelling out why I was not going to promote him and what he needed to do to get promoted.  He quit (After his mother complained to the IG and he told her the complaint had no merit).

Just out of curiosity, did the F50 spell out what he would need to do to get the promotion?  Maybe something along the lines of "attend 3 of the next 4 meetings and your promotion will be awarded?"  Was there a conversation with the mother before her IG complaint?
That was exactly what it said.   And there was a conversation with the cadet before the IG complaint.  The mother made no effort to contact me about the issue.

The crap we have to deal with when it comes to today's parents....

 92 
 on: February 22, 2018, 03:05:49 PM 
Started by Mordecai - Last post by sarmed1
There is no mandate to fill CAPRAP "positions"  The are for all intents and purposes no actual positions, minimum or maximum.  It is the option of the individual detachments to add as many or as few as they find interested in the program.  As far as programs go it is an even bigger USAF secret than CAP is, this leads to the fact that there are likely scores of enlisted and officers, especially reservists,  that transition to the IRR for personal reasons and never knew there was another option.

Another reason you may have not seen one is, many operate only at the wing level, unless you are involved at that level as far as SAREVAL and inspections you wont see them, and they usually just say they are from CAP-USAF vs CAPRAP.

mk

 93 
 on: February 22, 2018, 02:49:44 PM 
Started by Spencezilla - Last post by Luis R. Ramos
Abd, that was mean!

He never, but never said for it to continue!

I guess you are the kind of guy that would go directly to the Centers of Disease Control when a visit to your doctor would suffice.

 94 
 on: February 22, 2018, 02:01:17 PM 
Started by Spencezilla - Last post by abdsp51
Did you not read what was said.  Bullying on the average involves some type of physical assault and or  (sic) harrasement.  Both are crimes.  The OP never gave specifics.  And yes bullying in some states is actually considered a crime now. 
You have no idea what happened or what state laws apply. Your advice may be - probably is - well intentioned, but it is way to broad given the fact set. Again you only know that a claim of bullying has been made. Nothing else. Parental involvement, sure. Senior staff involvement, sure. If - and only if a crime happened, based on a responsible adult with knowledge of the facts then calling in law enforcement. Again, just calling the cops on what you know is - at best - premature.

The OP asked for advice and advice was given.  You're outline saying it's unjust and premature without knowing the facts yourself.
Bad advice absent facts was given. My advice takes that lack of facts into account. You seem unwilling to see the difference. -30-

Sound advice.  But I guess you would rather have it continue than dealt with.  Or maybe you'd prefer the alternatives.

 95 
 on: February 22, 2018, 01:50:53 PM 
Started by Spencezilla - Last post by Cicero
Did you not read what was said.  Bullying on the average involves some type of physical assault and or  (sic) harrasement.  Both are crimes.  The OP never gave specifics.  And yes bullying in some states is actually considered a crime now. 
You have no idea what happened or what state laws apply. Your advice may be - probably is - well intentioned, but it is way to broad given the fact set. Again you only know that a claim of bullying has been made. Nothing else. Parental involvement, sure. Senior staff involvement, sure. If - and only if a crime happened, based on a responsible adult with knowledge of the facts then calling in law enforcement. Again, just calling the cops on what you know is - at best - premature.

The OP asked for advice and advice was given.  You're outline saying it's unjust and premature without knowing the facts yourself.
Bad advice absent facts was given. My advice takes that lack of facts into account. You seem unwilling to see the difference. -30-

 96 
 on: February 22, 2018, 01:48:42 PM 
Started by Spencezilla - Last post by abdsp51
Did you not read what was said.  Bullying on the average involves some type of physical assault and or  (sic) harrasement.  Both are crimes.  The OP never gave specifics.  And yes bullying in some states is actually considered a crime now. 
You have no idea what happened or what state laws apply. Your advice may be - probably is - well intentioned, but it is way to broad given the fact set. Again you only know that a claim of bullying has been made. Nothing else. Parental involvement, sure. Senior staff involvement, sure. If - and only if a crime happened, based on a responsible adult with knowledge of the facts then calling in law enforcement. Again, just calling the cops on what you know is - at best - premature.

The OP asked for advice and advice was given.  You're outline saying it's unjust and premature without knowing the facts yourself. 

 97 
 on: February 22, 2018, 01:44:31 PM 
Started by Spencezilla - Last post by Cicero
Did you not read what was said.  Bullying on the average involves some type of physical assault and or  (sic) harrasement.  Both are crimes.  The OP never gave specifics.  And yes bullying in some states is actually considered a crime now. 
You have no idea what happened or what state laws apply. Your advice may be - probably is - well intentioned, but it is way to broad given the fact set. Again you only know that a claim of bullying has been made. Nothing else. Parental involvement, sure. Senior staff involvement, sure. If - and only if a crime happened, based on a responsible adult with knowledge of the facts then calling in law enforcement. Again, just calling the cops on what you know is - at best - premature.

 98 
 on: February 22, 2018, 01:27:10 PM 
Started by Spencezilla - Last post by abdsp51
Bullying which usually includes some type of assault or harrasement, which are both crimes..  File a police report start the trail.
Really? Absent any facts, you decide a crime is involved? Wow.

Did you not read what was said.  Bullying on the average involves some type of physical assault and or  harrasement.  Both are crimes.  The OP never gave specifics.  And yes bullying in some states is actually considered a crime now. 

I could have given other advice but given how sensitive people here are it would not have been well recieved.  Filing a police report is an action that can be taken and if this is a solid case of bullying should be taken.

 99 
 on: February 22, 2018, 01:26:34 PM 
Started by Spencezilla - Last post by Cicero
https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/members/cap-national-hq/inspector-general/complaints/

Civil Air Patrol
Inspector General

Complaints Program
 


CIVIL AIR PATROL COMPLAINTS PROGRAM


The Civil Air Patrol Complaints Program is intended to create an environment where complaints, grievances and misunderstandings can be resolved.  The Complaint System is a last resort management tool.  Every effort should be made to satisfy complaints and grievances at the supervisory or command level where they occur.  While the opportunity always exists to elevate issues to the IG and even to Congressional levels, CAP personnel should be aware that allegations are investigated at the level where they occurred.  The same person who could or should have originally answered the complaint is usually tasked to do so from a higher level.

In other words, if a squadron member has a complaint or grievance or suspects a fraud, waste or abuse problem exists, he/she should bring it to the attention of the unit commander.  If the problem directly involves the commander, then take it to the next higher commander (i.e. group commander).  The first person to contact is NOT the IG, a member of congress, the governor or the CAP National Commander.  Quite often the perceived problem is just a misunderstanding and can be easily corrected or explained.

Allow some time once you have contacted the commander.  The commander may only devote two or three evenings per week to the CAP.  Remember, he/she is a volunteer too and has many other obligations outside of CAP.  If it appears nothing is being done after a reasonable period of time, you may want exercise your rights and responsibilities under the complaints system.

There are exceptions to this.  Allegations of sexual harassment or abuse, verbal or written, will be immediately reported by the unit commander to the wing or region commander, who in turn will immediately report it to NHQ CAP/GC.  Incidents and complaints regarding alleged discrimination or discriminatory practices will be reported promptly to the wing or region commander, who shall immediately report the incident to CAP Equal Opportunity Officer at  NHQ (CAP/IGC).  In incidents or complaints regarding an alleged hostile environment, unit commanders will immediately report the allegation to the wing commander, region commander, or inspector general.

Once you have decided to contact the IG, you should refer to CAPR 123-2 to determine if your concern or grievance meets the definition of a complaint.  If it does, you should follow the steps for “Complaints Submission” outlined in CAPR 123-2 (soon to be CAPR 20-2).

 100 
 on: February 22, 2018, 01:20:21 PM 
Started by Spencezilla - Last post by Cicero
Best practice:

1 - Engage your parents. They hopefully will help you analyze the situation and determine how serious it is.
2 - Engage a Senior Member - DCC / CC or Chaplain ASAP.
3 - Keep a very fact based diary, date time, specific words and action, as well as witnesses to same.

Ignore the rest of the well meaning advice, as they are unaware of the facts on the ground. Your parents and the Squadron Senior member / command staff are the folks that are able to help.

4 - If the local folks cannot help, engage the Inspector General.

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