Does anyone have any checklists and/or photos of squadron mission kits?
I'm working on an updated team mission kits checklist. My current checklist is pretty old.
I'd be happy to share the checklist list if anyone's interested when it's complete.
Task O-0006 in the Task Guide is a good list to start with for your mission kit.
That one is alright. I integrated it into the old list.
I am in the process of trying to get the money together to set up team gear. I plan on having two bags set up with everything that is required for team leaders. Then 8 bags that are set up with everything needed for a GT and UDF bag (there is a lot of overlap). In addition to that I am putting together two trauma kits including c-spine collars and spider straps. I am adding dust masks as a requirement to all the bags since the task doesnt mention them but from experience they are something that I feel is needed. We already have a container that has several tents and jerry cans for water as well as mess kits and cooking gear to set up a base camp with when needed.
Take a look at the CERT and Red Cross team kits. They have pretty much dummy-proofed it. Augment them with what the Task Guide says, and you should be set.
Quote from: jdh on August 11, 2015, 06:08:42 PM
I am in the process of trying to get the money together to set up team gear. I plan on having two bags set up with everything that is required for team leaders. Then 8 bags that are set up with everything needed for a GT and UDF bag (there is a lot of overlap). In addition to that I am putting together two trauma kits including c-spine collars and spider straps. I am adding dust masks as a requirement to all the bags since the task doesnt mention them but from experience they are something that I feel is needed. We already have a container that has several tents and jerry cans for water as well as mess kits and cooking gear to set up a base camp with when needed.
How many active EMTs are on your team? Properly using c-collars and back boards requires practice, not a once off training. Unlike the various pads and splints in most trauma kits, you can do serious injury to someone if a c-collar is applied wrong or an incorrect collar is used. As a retired EMT, I won't apply one as I have been out of practice for several years.
Quote from: arajca on August 11, 2015, 06:34:51 PM
Quote from: jdh on August 11, 2015, 06:08:42 PM
I am in the process of trying to get the money together to set up team gear. I plan on having two bags set up with everything that is required for team leaders. Then 8 bags that are set up with everything needed for a GT and UDF bag (there is a lot of overlap). In addition to that I am putting together two trauma kits including c-spine collars and spider straps. I am adding dust masks as a requirement to all the bags since the task doesnt mention them but from experience they are something that I feel is needed. We already have a container that has several tents and jerry cans for water as well as mess kits and cooking gear to set up a base camp with when needed.
How many active EMTs are on your team? Properly using c-collars and back boards requires practice, not a once off training. Unlike the various pads and splints in most trauma kits, you can do serious injury to someone if a c-collar is applied wrong or an incorrect collar is used. As a retired EMT, I won't apply one as I have been out of practice for several years.
We have a RN, a former Army medic and myself a former EMT. All three are GTLs. We also have a few cadets that are being sent off to CERT and wilderness.
Just a side comment/story after reading THRAWN's post---
We had scheduled for the Red Cross to come and conduct training with us. They supposedly used to come every year. This year, they had to cancel because they said we could no longer use their kits after internal policy changes. Booooooo
I do not believe I have seen a Red Cross kit.
Quote from: jdh on August 11, 2015, 06:55:29 PM
We have a RN, a former Army medic and myself a former EMT. All three are GTLs. We also have a few cadets that are being sent off to CERT and wilderness.
The other poster asked you how many were active. "Former" is not active. Good Sam laws only cover you up to your level of training. If you are "former" your training isn't current. So if you exceed standard first aid with your kit you might find yourself on the wrong side of a civil law suit and no Good Sam protection should something go wrong.
Quote from: TheSkyHornet on August 11, 2015, 07:37:19 PM
Just a side comment/story after reading THRAWN's post---
We had scheduled for the Red Cross to come and conduct training with us. They supposedly used to come every year. This year, they had to cancel because they said we could no longer use their kits after internal policy changes. Booooooo
What policy changes?
Quote from: JC004 on August 11, 2015, 11:45:47 PM
I do not believe I have seen a Red Cross kit.
Take your pick: http://www.redcrossstore.org/category/id/1 (http://www.redcrossstore.org/category/id/1)
Quote from: THRAWN on August 13, 2015, 12:32:48 PM
Quote from: TheSkyHornet on August 11, 2015, 07:37:19 PM
Just a side comment/story after reading THRAWN's post---
We had scheduled for the Red Cross to come and conduct training with us. They supposedly used to come every year. This year, they had to cancel because they said we could no longer use their kits after internal policy changes. Booooooo
What policy changes?
Unknown. It isn't my area of expertise. It came up at the last staff meeting. The local Red Cross unit, out of Akron, I believe, but don't quote me there, used to do our annual training. I haven't been with the squadron a year yet, so I'm not too sure as to everything they used to do in the past. I know they covered CPR, emergency medical treatment, and how to deal with a crisis. My understanding was that it was a very bland course to sit in on. But that's a side topic. Our commander had been in contact with them to have them come out around October-ish, and we would do a joint training with the Youngstown squadron since we are close with some of their Seniors, but the Red Cross backed out and said they couldn't provide the course any more.
Again, I don't know a whole lot about it, but the longer-term Seniors we have weren't too happy with the news.
Quote from: RRLE on August 13, 2015, 11:02:59 AM
Quote from: jdh on August 11, 2015, 06:55:29 PM
We have a RN, a former Army medic and myself a former EMT. All three are GTLs. We also have a few cadets that are being sent off to CERT and wilderness.
The other poster asked you how many were active. "Former" is not active. Good Sam laws only cover you up to your level of training. If you are "former" your training isn't current. So if you exceed standard first aid with your kit you might find yourself on the wrong side of a civil law suit and no Good Sam protection should something go wrong.
This is the law in my State. If you are not negligent and you dont ask for money you are covered. Active EMTs fall under a different section since they have a "Duty to Act" in this State and can only act under the direction of an MD.
LIABILITY FOR EMERGENCY CARE. (a) A person who in good faith administers emergency care is not liable in civil damages for an act performed during the emergency unless the act is wilfully or wantonly negligent, including a person who:
(1) administers emergency care using an automated external defibrillator; or
(2) administers emergency care as a volunteer who is a first responder.
(b) This section does not apply to care administered:
(1) for or in expectation of remuneration, provided that being legally entitled to receive remuneration for the emergency care rendered shall not determine whether or not the care was administered for or in anticipation of remuneration; or
(2) by a person who was at the scene of the emergency because he or a person he represents as an agent was soliciting business or seeking to perform a service for remuneration.
(c), (d) Deleted by Acts 2003, 78th Leg., ch. 204, Sec. 10.01.
(e) Except as provided by this subsection, this section does not apply to a person whose negligent act or omission was a producing cause of the emergency for which care is being administered. This subsection does not apply to liability of a school district or district school officer or employee arising from an act or omission under a program or policy or procedure adopted under Subchapter O-1, Chapter 161, Health and Safety Code, other than liability arising from wilful or intentional misconduct.
Quote from: jdh on August 13, 2015, 10:18:44 PM
unless the act is wilfully or wantonly negligent
You are not as well covered as you think. The lawyer's will use the clause above. With the exception of the AED unit, if you use an advanced piece of gear for which training is normally required and you don't have that training or your training is expired, the lawyer's will contend that you were willfully and wantonly negligent. And the gawds really help you if they can prove you know the advanced training was required and you didn't have it or it expired. Nor would I expect the jury to have much sympathy for you either.
Quote from: jdh on August 11, 2015, 06:55:29 PM
We have a RN, a former Army medic and myself a former EMT. All three are GTLs. We also have a few cadets that are being sent off to CERT and wilderness.
Also note Army medics are just EMT-B in the civilian world unless they go on and get the EMT-I or EMT-P certifications. Although the Army allows a 68W to perform a few tasks more than regular EMT-B for the purpose of the combat zone, outside the Army, they can only operate at the state's EMT-B level.
That is, unless the military can finally get the EMT-M approval they keep talking about over the last number of years.
Quote from: LSThiker on August 14, 2015, 03:36:15 PM
Quote from: jdh on August 11, 2015, 06:55:29 PM
We have a RN, a former Army medic and myself a former EMT. All three are GTLs. We also have a few cadets that are being sent off to CERT and wilderness.
Also note Army medics are just EMT-B in the civilian world unless they go on and get the EMT-I or EMT-P certifications. Although the Army allows a 68W to perform a few tasks more than regular EMT-B for the purpose of the combat zone, outside the Army, they can only operate at the state's EMT-B level.
That is, unless the military can finally get the EMT-M approval they keep talking about over the last number of years.
They have, sorta. Still no NREMT-M as far as I know, but the Army has seen the error of its ways. Part of graduation requirements for 68W is the NREMT-B cert. They are then sending new medics almost immediately to CMAST and have re-added BTLS , PHTLS, intubation, and IVs. I guess they realized the transition from a Combat Medic to healthcare specialist wasn't going as smoothly as they once envisioned. My cousin graduated last year and was in Medic School within 30 days of return to home station, and had a job offer with a major FD before she even passed her NREMT-P cert. It was contingent upon her passing, but you get the idea.
Finally some common sense in the military. Now if they could get all the 88Ms CDLs.
Quote from: GroundHawg on August 15, 2015, 05:18:12 PM
They have, sorta. Still no NREMT-M as far as I know, but the Army has seen the error of its ways. Part of graduation requirements for 68W is the NREMT-B cert. They are then sending new medics almost immediately to CMAST and have re-added BTLS , PHTLS, intubation, and IVs. I guess they realized the transition from a Combat Medic to healthcare specialist wasn't going as smoothly as they once envisioned. My cousin graduated last year and was in Medic School within 30 days of return to home station, and had a job offer with a major FD before she even passed her NREMT-P cert. It was contingent upon her passing, but you get the idea.
Finally some common sense in the military. Now if they could get all the 88Ms CDLs.
AMEDD has made some serious changes to the 91B --> 91W --> 68W courses/transition courses. Some for the good, some for the WTH.
Nevertheless, even with adding in CMAST, IVs, etc, the civilian world will only accept a 68W as an EMT-B. The Army has only one paramedic training program and that is the Flight Paramedic Program that was approved in 2012. I think by FY17 all flight medics will be Paramedic level.
With 68Ws, it is unfortunate they still have not gotten clearance for the EMT-M as they are allowed to do things in the Army but cannot in the civilian side. Nevertheless, it will probably come some day in the future as it took a long time to get the Flight Medic Program to Paramedic level, which only happened because a new study in 2012 found that 87.3% of Soldiers that died in combat died before reaching medical care. Of those, 24.7% were deemed survivable but died en route due to not high enough care level.
Quote from: jdh on August 13, 2015, 10:18:44 PM
Quote from: RRLE on August 13, 2015, 11:02:59 AM
Quote from: jdh on August 11, 2015, 06:55:29 PM
We have a RN, a former Army medic and myself a former EMT. All three are GTLs. We also have a few cadets that are being sent off to CERT and wilderness.
The other poster asked you how many were active. "Former" is not active. Good Sam laws only cover you up to your level of training. If you are "former" your training isn't current. So if you exceed standard first aid with your kit you might find yourself on the wrong side of a civil law suit and no Good Sam protection should something go wrong.
This is the law in my State. If you are not negligent and you dont ask for money you are covered. Active EMTs fall under a different section since they have a "Duty to Act" in this State and can only act under the direction of an MD.
LIABILITY FOR EMERGENCY CARE. (a) A person who in good faith administers emergency care is not liable in civil damages for an act performed during the emergency unless the act is wilfully or wantonly negligent, including a person who:
(1) administers emergency care using an automated external defibrillator; or
(2) administers emergency care as a volunteer who is a first responder.
(b) This section does not apply to care administered:
(1) for or in expectation of remuneration, provided that being legally entitled to receive remuneration for the emergency care rendered shall not determine whether or not the care was administered for or in anticipation of remuneration; or
(2) by a person who was at the scene of the emergency because he or a person he represents as an agent was soliciting business or seeking to perform a service for remuneration.
(c), (d) Deleted by Acts 2003, 78th Leg., ch. 204, Sec. 10.01.
(e) Except as provided by this subsection, this section does not apply to a person whose negligent act or omission was a producing cause of the emergency for which care is being administered. This subsection does not apply to liability of a school district or district school officer or employee arising from an act or omission under a program or policy or procedure adopted under Subchapter O-1, Chapter 161, Health and Safety Code, other than liability arising from wilful or intentional misconduct.
If I'm misinterpreting what you've written, apologies. But I *think* what I'm reading is that your contention is that because your GTLs are not "active" EMTs they don't need to worry about acting under the direction of a medical director? If that's your assertion, I have to disagree. In paramedic school we were taught over and over again that if we did anything advanced that we *knew* how to do but did it outside our system, then we were in effect practicing medicine without a license. Outside our system and out from underneath the umbrella of our Medical Director, we could do nothing but offer first-aid/bystander type care. In fact, we were discouraged from being one of "Those Guys" who carried around infusion kits, cervical collars or other exotica in the backs of their personal vehicles for exactly that reason.
Unless and until CAP gets a Medical Director for its medics operating on ground teams, then we really are only in the First Aid business regardless of medical/clinical qualification held by the individual member.
That's my opinion as a former fire department firefighter/medic in a major urban/suburban system.