The New CAPM 39-1 Now Available

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Shuman 14

Quote from: Eclipse on July 02, 2014, 05:58:04 PM
Yes, members have access to AAFES, however for some it seems to be an uphill battle to get things ordered,
and there is no online ordering allowed.

The ASU shirt is not an "aviator" shirt, and it has permanent creases - neither are proper for CAP.

Standardization of color is the least of CAP's uniform issues, and requiring the G/Ws be purchased from
a single source would break the notion that many members can simply go in their closets for most of the parts,
especially pilots.

You'd also have size issues unless you made the single source DXL, or similar, since by design these uniforms
are worn by people of "size".

You actually can order for people of "size" thru AAFES... it's a special order but it can be done.

Lots of other places to go online to order them too just google "ASU white shirt".

Breaking that "notion" is what needs to be done... it's a uniform, there needs to be uniformity.

BTW, why are military creases not authorized on a para-military organization's uniform shirts?  ???
Joseph J. Clune
Lieutenant Colonel, Military Police

USMCR: 1990 - 1992                           USAR: 1993 - 1998, 2000 - 2003, 2005 - Present     CAP: 2013 - 2014, 2021 - Present
INARNG: 1992 - 1993, 1998 - 2000      Active Army: 2003 - 2005                                       USCGAux: 2004 - Present

Garibaldi

Quote from: shuman14 on July 02, 2014, 06:52:47 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on July 02, 2014, 05:58:04 PM
Yes, members have access to AAFES, however for some it seems to be an uphill battle to get things ordered,
and there is no online ordering allowed.

The ASU shirt is not an "aviator" shirt, and it has permanent creases - neither are proper for CAP.

Standardization of color is the least of CAP's uniform issues, and requiring the G/Ws be purchased from
a single source would break the notion that many members can simply go in their closets for most of the parts,
especially pilots.

You'd also have size issues unless you made the single source DXL, or similar, since by design these uniforms
are worn by people of "size".

You actually can order for people of "size" thru AAFES... it's a special order but it can be done.

Lots of other places to go online to order them too just google "ASU white shirt".

Breaking that "notion" is what needs to be done... it's a uniform, there needs to be uniformity.

BTW, why are military creases not authorized on a para-military organization's uniform shirts?  ???

Because we ain't Marines. They are the only service branch that has those creases.
Still a major after all these years.
ES dude, leadership ossifer, publik affaires
Opinionated and wrong 99% of the time about all things

MSG Mac

The ASU shirt is great. I bought both long and short sleeve versions. Better material, looks great,.
Michael P. McEleney
Lt Col CAP
MSG USA (Retired)
50 Year Member

Shuman 14

Quote from: Garibaldi on July 02, 2014, 06:54:32 PM
Quote from: shuman14 on July 02, 2014, 06:52:47 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on July 02, 2014, 05:58:04 PM
Yes, members have access to AAFES, however for some it seems to be an uphill battle to get things ordered,
and there is no online ordering allowed.

The ASU shirt is not an "aviator" shirt, and it has permanent creases - neither are proper for CAP.

Standardization of color is the least of CAP's uniform issues, and requiring the G/Ws be purchased from
a single source would break the notion that many members can simply go in their closets for most of the parts,
especially pilots.

You'd also have size issues unless you made the single source DXL, or similar, since by design these uniforms
are worn by people of "size".

You actually can order for people of "size" thru AAFES... it's a special order but it can be done.

Lots of other places to go online to order them too just google "ASU white shirt".

Breaking that "notion" is what needs to be done... it's a uniform, there needs to be uniformity.

BTW, why are military creases not authorized on a para-military organization's uniform shirts?  ???

Because we ain't Marines. They are the only service branch that has those creases.

Then why are they now standard on an Army shirt, sewn in?  ::)

Seriously I've been on many a Joint base and I see every Service wearing military creases on their uniforms, what are you frakking talking about?

Joseph J. Clune
Lieutenant Colonel, Military Police

USMCR: 1990 - 1992                           USAR: 1993 - 1998, 2000 - 2003, 2005 - Present     CAP: 2013 - 2014, 2021 - Present
INARNG: 1992 - 1993, 1998 - 2000      Active Army: 2003 - 2005                                       USCGAux: 2004 - Present

Eclipse

Quote from: shuman14 on July 02, 2014, 06:35:50 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on July 02, 2014, 05:25:51 PM
^ Another reasonable practice not allowed by CAP.

Really?

"Appropriate civilian attire" is not authorized by CAP?

No, that's fine, even specified sometimes.  It's the wear of CAP decs and badges on that attire which is prohibited.

"That Others May Zoom"

Shuman 14

Quote from: MSG Mac on July 02, 2014, 06:56:46 PM
The ASU shirt is great. I bought both long and short sleeve versions. Better material, looks great.

My point exactly.
Joseph J. Clune
Lieutenant Colonel, Military Police

USMCR: 1990 - 1992                           USAR: 1993 - 1998, 2000 - 2003, 2005 - Present     CAP: 2013 - 2014, 2021 - Present
INARNG: 1992 - 1993, 1998 - 2000      Active Army: 2003 - 2005                                       USCGAux: 2004 - Present

Shuman 14

Quote from: Eclipse on July 02, 2014, 07:00:04 PM
Quote from: shuman14 on July 02, 2014, 06:35:50 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on July 02, 2014, 05:25:51 PM
^ Another reasonable practice not allowed by CAP.

Really?

"Appropriate civilian attire" is not authorized by CAP?

No, that's fine, even specified sometimes.  It's the wear of CAP decs and badges on that attire which is prohibited.

But military would be fine.
Joseph J. Clune
Lieutenant Colonel, Military Police

USMCR: 1990 - 1992                           USAR: 1993 - 1998, 2000 - 2003, 2005 - Present     CAP: 2013 - 2014, 2021 - Present
INARNG: 1992 - 1993, 1998 - 2000      Active Army: 2003 - 2005                                       USCGAux: 2004 - Present

Alaric

Quote from: shuman14 on July 02, 2014, 07:01:46 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on July 02, 2014, 07:00:04 PM
Quote from: shuman14 on July 02, 2014, 06:35:50 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on July 02, 2014, 05:25:51 PM
^ Another reasonable practice not allowed by CAP.

Really?

"Appropriate civilian attire" is not authorized by CAP?

No, that's fine, even specified sometimes.  It's the wear of CAP decs and badges on that attire which is prohibited.

But military would be fine.

In many cases the persons who are wearing the corporate uniforms have never served in the military, so they are still prevented from wearing their CAP awards

Eclipse

Quote from: shuman14 on July 02, 2014, 07:01:46 PM
But military would be fine.

If you want to wear civilian attire with military decorations and badges, CAP has no say or concern in the matter.

If you wear anything resembling a CAP uniform in the corporate variant(s), no military decs or badges are allowed,
nor are members allowed to wear CAP dec or badges on anything which is not a CAP "uniform" in one of its variants.

So no, you could not wear a brown suit with a CAP ribbon rack on it.

"That Others May Zoom"

MHC5096

Umm...the Army, Navy, Marine Corps, Coast Guard, NOAA Commissioned Corps and Public Health Service all permit (and in some cases require) military creases. The Air Force is the odd man out with this.
Mark H. Crary
Lt Col, CAP (1990-Present)
DVC-VI, CGAUX (2011-Present)
MSgt, USAF (1995-2011)
QM2, USN (1989-1995)

Garibaldi

So I'm wrong. All I've ever seen was Marines with their pocket creases on their khaki shirts. Never once saw it on a Soldier, Sailor, or Airman.
Still a major after all these years.
ES dude, leadership ossifer, publik affaires
Opinionated and wrong 99% of the time about all things

AlphaSigOU

Quote from: Garibaldi on July 02, 2014, 07:49:09 PM
So I'm wrong. All I've ever seen was Marines with their pocket creases on their khaki shirts. Never once saw it on a Soldier, Sailor, or Airman.

The new white shirt worn with the Army Service Uniform (ASU) has permanently sewn military creases in both the issue (DSCP) and commercially procured versions (Marlow White). Most times the soldiers I've run into on Redstone Arsenal (where I work) wear the ACU in daily use.
Lt Col Charles E. (Chuck) Corway, CAP
Gill Robb Wilson Award (#2901 - 2011)
Amelia Earhart Award (#1257 - 1982) - C/Major (retired)
Billy Mitchell Award (#2375 - 1981)
Administrative/Personnel/Professional Development Officer
Nellis Composite Squadron (PCR-NV-069)
KJ6GHO - NAR 45040

Private Investigator

Quote from: jeders on July 01, 2014, 06:41:35 PM
Quote from: Private Investigator on July 01, 2014, 05:48:11 PM
Quote from: MisterCD on June 26, 2014, 05:25:56 PM
http://members.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/M391_E6F33EAAEC28A.pdf

4.2.1.4. Medals. One miniature medal may be worn centered above the pocket so that the bottom portion of the medal is ½ inch above the CAP Crest or service badge.

So on the Corporate semi-formal uniform, can that be any miniature medal?

I usually carry 2 or 3 mini medals and swap them out throughout the evening/event to see if anyone notices.

That is so excellent. Thanks for the heads up.  8)

Private Investigator

Quote from: MSG Mac on July 02, 2014, 01:46:32 AM
Quote from: NIN on July 02, 2014, 01:15:32 AM
Quote from: MSG Mac on July 02, 2014, 01:00:39 AM
Amazing that the USAF has a tradition of not wearing ribbons on their shirts, but also has one that says if you have wings. You can wear flight suits one day a week. Even if you're not currently on flight  status.

Hey, man, don't mess with the zipper suited sun gods.
I always thought it laundry day.

I did too  :clap:

Shuman 14

QuoteIf you wear anything resembling a CAP uniform in the corporate variant(s), no military decs or badges are allowed,
nor are members allowed to wear CAP dec or badges on anything which is not a CAP "uniform" in one of its variants.

That's the most ignorant rule...EVER.

So there are several SDFs that authorize the wear of both CAP and USCGAux decorations on their uniforms, showing that they have a great respect for the service of the Military Auxiliaries, yet CAP's regulations would prevent a current CAP member, who is also a member of one those SDFs, from wearing those decorations?

In a word... stupid.
Joseph J. Clune
Lieutenant Colonel, Military Police

USMCR: 1990 - 1992                           USAR: 1993 - 1998, 2000 - 2003, 2005 - Present     CAP: 2013 - 2014, 2021 - Present
INARNG: 1992 - 1993, 1998 - 2000      Active Army: 2003 - 2005                                       USCGAux: 2004 - Present

arajca

They do. They also prevent CAP National Guard members from wearing state decoration on thier CAP uniforms.

AlphaSigOU

Quote from: shuman14 on July 02, 2014, 09:24:29 PM
QuoteIf you wear anything resembling a CAP uniform in the corporate variant(s), no military decs or badges are allowed,
nor are members allowed to wear CAP dec or badges on anything which is not a CAP "uniform" in one of its variants.

That's the most ignorant rule...EVER.

So there are several SDFs that authorize the wear of both CAP and USCGAux decorations on their uniforms, showing that they have a great respect for the service of the Military Auxiliaries, yet CAP's regulations would prevent a current CAP member, who is also a member of one those SDFs, from wearing those decorations?

In a word... stupid.

CGAux does not allow wear of CAP awards and decorations and vice versa,
Lt Col Charles E. (Chuck) Corway, CAP
Gill Robb Wilson Award (#2901 - 2011)
Amelia Earhart Award (#1257 - 1982) - C/Major (retired)
Billy Mitchell Award (#2375 - 1981)
Administrative/Personnel/Professional Development Officer
Nellis Composite Squadron (PCR-NV-069)
KJ6GHO - NAR 45040

Shuman 14

Quote from: arajca on July 02, 2014, 09:30:51 PM
They do. They also prevent CAP National Guard members from wearing state decoration on thier CAP uniforms.

Another silly rule but one that the Active Duty also has.

I never understood that, it is "ok" to wear the decorations of a foreign nation on an Active Duty uniform but it is "not ok" to wear one from an actual State of the United States.  :-\
Joseph J. Clune
Lieutenant Colonel, Military Police

USMCR: 1990 - 1992                           USAR: 1993 - 1998, 2000 - 2003, 2005 - Present     CAP: 2013 - 2014, 2021 - Present
INARNG: 1992 - 1993, 1998 - 2000      Active Army: 2003 - 2005                                       USCGAux: 2004 - Present

Shuman 14

Quote from: AlphaSigOU on July 02, 2014, 09:33:58 PM
Quote from: shuman14 on July 02, 2014, 09:24:29 PM
QuoteIf you wear anything resembling a CAP uniform in the corporate variant(s), no military decs or badges are allowed,
nor are members allowed to wear CAP dec or badges on anything which is not a CAP "uniform" in one of its variants.

That's the most ignorant rule...EVER.

So there are several SDFs that authorize the wear of both CAP and USCGAux decorations on their uniforms, showing that they have a great respect for the service of the Military Auxiliaries, yet CAP's regulations would prevent a current CAP member, who is also a member of one those SDFs, from wearing those decorations?

In a word... stupid.

CGAux does not allow wear of CAP awards and decorations and vice versa,

I don't understand that one either... you'd think the two Auxiliaries would respect each others service more.  :-\
Joseph J. Clune
Lieutenant Colonel, Military Police

USMCR: 1990 - 1992                           USAR: 1993 - 1998, 2000 - 2003, 2005 - Present     CAP: 2013 - 2014, 2021 - Present
INARNG: 1992 - 1993, 1998 - 2000      Active Army: 2003 - 2005                                       USCGAux: 2004 - Present

AlphaSigOU

Ma Blue only allows the wear of state National Guard awards on the uniform while performing state service. If called up for Federal service, the state 'gongs' (to use that quaint, veddy Britsh slang term) must come off.
Lt Col Charles E. (Chuck) Corway, CAP
Gill Robb Wilson Award (#2901 - 2011)
Amelia Earhart Award (#1257 - 1982) - C/Major (retired)
Billy Mitchell Award (#2375 - 1981)
Administrative/Personnel/Professional Development Officer
Nellis Composite Squadron (PCR-NV-069)
KJ6GHO - NAR 45040