The New CAPM 39-1 Now Available

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lordmonar

Quote from: Panache on July 01, 2014, 08:46:14 AM
Quote from: lordmonar on July 01, 2014, 07:56:01 AM
Quote from: Panache on July 01, 2014, 06:18:46 AM
Quote from: a2capt on July 01, 2014, 06:16:28 AM
Quote from: Panache on July 01, 2014, 05:24:34 AM"Porker"?
Person of size, obviously out of regulation. Come on. ;)

Oh, I knew what he meant.  I just wasn't aware we could use slurs on CT now.
We have used FAT and FUZZY for since forever.
So that makes "porker" okay?  Would you be okay if somebody called one of you family members that?
If the shoe fits......:)    Your outrage is a day late and dollar short.
PATRICK M. HARRIS, SMSgt, CAP

Panache

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Quote from: lordmonar on July 01, 2014, 08:54:55 AM
Quote from: Panache on July 01, 2014, 08:46:14 AM
Quote from: lordmonar on July 01, 2014, 07:56:01 AM
Quote from: Panache on July 01, 2014, 06:18:46 AM
Quote from: a2capt on July 01, 2014, 06:16:28 AM
Quote from: Panache on July 01, 2014, 05:24:34 AM"Porker"?
Person of size, obviously out of regulation. Come on. ;)

Oh, I knew what he meant.  I just wasn't aware we could use slurs on CT now.
We have used FAT and FUZZY for since forever.
So that makes "porker" okay?  Would you be okay if somebody called one of you family members that?
If the shoe fits......:)    Your outrage is a day late and dollar short.

The fact that you're apparently okay with this says a lot about the complete dysfunction in CAP.  But remember this discussion the next time you want to lecture anybody on Respect.

But, hey, glad to see I'm a "day late" on the entire concept of respect.

Reminds me of a quote from the movie, Blade Runner...

""Skin jobs". That's what Bryant called Replicants. In history books he's the kind of cop who used to call black men (N-Word)."

jeders

Quote from: Panache on July 01, 2014, 09:24:15 AM
Quote from: lordmonar on July 01, 2014, 08:54:55 AM
Quote from: Panache on July 01, 2014, 08:46:14 AM
Quote from: lordmonar on July 01, 2014, 07:56:01 AM
Quote from: Panache on July 01, 2014, 06:18:46 AM
Quote from: a2capt on July 01, 2014, 06:16:28 AM
Quote from: Panache on July 01, 2014, 05:24:34 AM"Porker"?
Person of size, obviously out of regulation. Come on. ;)

Oh, I knew what he meant.  I just wasn't aware we could use slurs on CT now.
We have used FAT and FUZZY for since forever.
So that makes "porker" okay?  Would you be okay if somebody called one of you family members that?
If the shoe fits......:)    Your outrage is a day late and dollar short.

The fact that you're apparently okay with this says a lot about the complete dysfunction in CAP. 

Actually, it says that we don't all have to get our panties in a twist over meaningless tripe. That you are making a mountain out of a mole hill, however, says a great deal about you.
If you are confident in you abilities and experience, whether someone else is impressed is irrelevant. - Eclipse

Eclipse

+1 the poster is on self-inflicted terminal leave, and he's using terminology to press people's buttons as a going away present.

Regardless, the term >doesn't< rise to the comparison.

"That Others May Zoom"

SunDog

Quote from: Panache on July 01, 2014, 09:24:15 AM
Quote from: lordmonar on July 01, 2014, 08:54:55 AM
Quote from: Panache on July 01, 2014, 08:46:14 AM
Quote from: lordmonar on July 01, 2014, 07:56:01 AM
Quote from: Panache on July 01, 2014, 06:18:46 AM
Quote from: a2capt on July 01, 2014, 06:16:28 AM
Quote from: Panache on July 01, 2014, 05:24:34 AM"Porker"?
Person of size, obviously out of regulation. Come on. ;)

Oh, I knew what he meant.  I just wasn't aware we could use slurs on CT now.
We have used FAT and FUZZY for since forever.
So that makes "porker" okay?  Would you be okay if somebody called one of you family members that?
If the shoe fits......:)    Your outrage is a day late and dollar short.

The fact that you're apparently okay with this says a lot about the complete dysfunction in CAP.  But remember this discussion the next time you want to lecture anybody on Respect.

But, hey, glad to see I'm a "day late" on the entire concept of respect.

Reminds me of a quote from the movie, Blade Runner...

""Skin jobs". That's what Bryant called Replicants. In history books he's the kind of cop who used to call black men (N-Word)."
Dude, take a breath - I didn't call any individual participating here (or anyone in particular, anywhere) a porker.  Did not apply the term specifically to anyone; wouldn't do so, as it may hurt their feelings.  Not all that slim myself.  A generic tag, see?

Your outrage is out of proportion, to my mind. But I could be wrong. Sometimes I feel like the PC Posse think they own the language. . .give me a pass this time, and substitute "obese" or "overweight" where I wrote "porker".

Panache

Quote from: jeders on July 01, 2014, 01:09:27 PM
Quote from: Panache on July 01, 2014, 09:24:15 AM
Quote from: lordmonar on July 01, 2014, 08:54:55 AM
Quote from: Panache on July 01, 2014, 08:46:14 AM
Quote from: lordmonar on July 01, 2014, 07:56:01 AM
Quote from: Panache on July 01, 2014, 06:18:46 AM
Quote from: a2capt on July 01, 2014, 06:16:28 AM
Quote from: Panache on July 01, 2014, 05:24:34 AM"Porker"?
Person of size, obviously out of regulation. Come on. ;)

Oh, I knew what he meant.  I just wasn't aware we could use slurs on CT now.
We have used FAT and FUZZY for since forever.
So that makes "porker" okay?  Would you be okay if somebody called one of you family members that?
If the shoe fits......:)    Your outrage is a day late and dollar short.

The fact that you're apparently okay with this says a lot about the complete dysfunction in CAP. 

Actually, it says that we don't all have to get our panties in a twist over meaningless tripe. That you are making a mountain out of a mole hill, however, says a great deal about you.

http://members.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/CoreValues_2AB4D48FE86A8.pdf

Page 4, Paragraph 1, 2nd sentence.

Private Investigator

Quote from: MisterCD on June 26, 2014, 05:25:56 PM
http://members.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/M391_E6F33EAAEC28A.pdf

4.2.1.4. Medals. One miniature medal may be worn centered above the pocket so that the bottom portion of the medal is ½ inch above the CAP Crest or service badge.

So on the Corporate semi-formal uniform, can that be any miniature medal?

AlphaSigOU

Quote from: Private Investigator on July 01, 2014, 05:48:11 PM
Quote from: MisterCD on June 26, 2014, 05:25:56 PM
http://members.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/M391_E6F33EAAEC28A.pdf

4.2.1.4. Medals. One miniature medal may be worn centered above the pocket so that the bottom portion of the medal is ½ inch above the CAP Crest or service badge.

So on the Corporate semi-formal uniform, can that be any miniature medal?

Yep... any miniature CAP medal. The way it's worded, though, it could also include military decorations as well.
Lt Col Charles E. (Chuck) Corway, CAP
Gill Robb Wilson Award (#2901 - 2011)
Amelia Earhart Award (#1257 - 1982) - C/Major (retired)
Billy Mitchell Award (#2375 - 1981)
Administrative/Personnel/Professional Development Officer
Nellis Composite Squadron (PCR-NV-069)
KJ6GHO - NAR 45040

Eclipse

^ Not without conflicting with verbiage elsewhere which does not allow military medals
on corporate uniforms.

I wear my highest dec, though yes, it could be any of the CAP mini medals.

"That Others May Zoom"

Storm Chaser

Quote from: AlphaSigOU on July 01, 2014, 05:58:48 PM
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Quote from: MisterCD on June 26, 2014, 05:25:56 PM
http://members.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/M391_E6F33EAAEC28A.pdf

4.2.1.4. Medals. One miniature medal may be worn centered above the pocket so that the bottom portion of the medal is ½ inch above the CAP Crest or service badge.

So on the Corporate semi-formal uniform, can that be any miniature medal?

Yep... any miniature CAP medal. The way it's worded, though, it could also include military decorations as well.

No, it doesn't. While CAPM 39-1 states the following regarding medals on corporate semi-formal uniform:

Quote from: CAPM 39-1, Para. 4.2.2.4
Medals. One miniature medal may be worn centered above the pocket so that the bottom portion of the medal is ½ above the CAP Crest or service badge. (Chaplain badge will be worn ½ inch above the medal.)

The paragraph on U.S. awards states the following:

Quote from: CAPM 39-1, Para. 11.2.1.1[/quoteUS Awards. Federal awards awarded by competent authority may be worn on USAF-style uniforms in accordance with instructions contained in AFI 36-2903. National Guard awards will not be worn.

There's no reference about corporate uniforms regarding military decorations.

Eclipse

Quote from: Storm Chaser on July 01, 2014, 06:33:22 PM
There's no reference about corporate uniforms regarding military decorations.

Right, which means they aren't authorized on >any< of them.

"That Others May Zoom"

jeders

Quote from: Private Investigator on July 01, 2014, 05:48:11 PM
Quote from: MisterCD on June 26, 2014, 05:25:56 PM
http://members.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/M391_E6F33EAAEC28A.pdf

4.2.1.4. Medals. One miniature medal may be worn centered above the pocket so that the bottom portion of the medal is ½ inch above the CAP Crest or service badge.

So on the Corporate semi-formal uniform, can that be any miniature medal?

I usually carry 2 or 3 mini medals and swap them out throughout the evening/event to see if anyone notices.
If you are confident in you abilities and experience, whether someone else is impressed is irrelevant. - Eclipse

Eclipse


"That Others May Zoom"

Storm Chaser


Quote from: Eclipse on July 01, 2014, 06:39:27 PM
Quote from: Storm Chaser on July 01, 2014, 06:33:22 PM
There's no reference about corporate uniforms regarding military decorations.

Right, which means they aren't authorized on >any< of them.

That's what I said.

Quote from: Storm Chaser on July 01, 2014, 06:33:22 PMNo, it doesn't...

Chappie

Quote from: lordmonar on June 30, 2014, 11:10:06 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on June 30, 2014, 10:56:39 PM
Quote from: lordmonar on June 30, 2014, 10:51:16 PM
Yeah....let's just forget all the USAF axillary stuff.

I think if asked, the majority of members would be more then happy to participate fully as a member of the Air force Auxiliary.

Sadly, more then 1/2 our adult members don't have that option.

<snip>
If an activity director wants to follow USAF culture and say no ribbons on the shirts......you can't a) fault him for wanting to follow USAF culture.  b) You can't deny that he/she has the authority to do so.  c) You can't criticize him for having the gumption to set a standard and the put up with the belly aching and moaning his going to get.

<end of snip

The following can be added Item a) or follow CAP culture

http://www.capmembers.com/media/cms/Atch17_Student_Info_Package_0EF670511E1D1.pdf

The no ribbon policy is practiced at NSC as well.

From my personal experience at CCRSC, RSC has been the service jacket is not worn during the class sessions but at the banquet -- those not wearing the USAF-Style uniform or Mess dress if the banquet is in the evening -- and NSC (the banquet dress code is mess dress or blazer combo / ladies wear appropriate dresses).

Having served on staff at both CCRSCs and NSC -- as well as working with RSC staff since as the CCRSC Director, I consulted with Region Professional Development Officer, we modeled the practices of the RSC and NSC. 

Back to original issue: it is up to the commander/activity director to enforce the uniform policy (policies) not NHQ.
Disclaimer:  Not to be confused with the other user that goes by "Chappy"   :)

Storm Chaser

A commander or activity director can required that no ribbons be worn for uniformity purposes, since ribbons are optional on the service uniform. This has nothing to do with officer vs. NCO or AF-style vs. corporate-style uniforms.

Alaric

Quote from: Chappie on July 01, 2014, 07:54:05 PM
Quote from: lordmonar on June 30, 2014, 11:10:06 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on June 30, 2014, 10:56:39 PM
Quote from: lordmonar on June 30, 2014, 10:51:16 PM
Yeah....let's just forget all the USAF axillary stuff.

I think if asked, the majority of members would be more then happy to participate fully as a member of the Air force Auxiliary.

Sadly, more then 1/2 our adult members don't have that option.


<snip>
If an activity director wants to follow USAF culture and say no ribbons on the shirts......you can't a) fault him for wanting to follow USAF culture.  b) You can't deny that he/she has the authority to do so.  c) You can't criticize him for having the gumption to set a standard and the put up with the belly aching and moaning his going to get.

<end of snip

The following can be added Item a) or follow CAP culture

http://www.capmembers.com/media/cms/Atch17_Student_Info_Package_0EF670511E1D1.pdf

The no ribbon policy is practiced at NSC as well.

From my personal experience at CCRSC, RSC has been the service jacket is not worn during the class sessions but at the banquet -- those not wearing the USAF-Style uniform or Mess dress if the banquet is in the evening -- and NSC (the banquet dress code is mess dress or blazer combo / ladies wear appropriate dresses).

Having served on staff at both CCRSCs and NSC -- as well as working with RSC staff since as the CCRSC Director, I consulted with Region Professional Development Officer, we modeled the practices of the RSC and NSC. 

Back to original issue: it is up to the commander/activity director to enforce the uniform policy (policies) not NHQ.

If the culture is not to wear the ribbons, why award them?  Just award certificates which people can put on their wall, or stuff in a drawer, as they prefer. 

lordmonar

PATRICK M. HARRIS, SMSgt, CAP

arajca


lordmonar

Because you can wear them if not otherwise restricted
PATRICK M. HARRIS, SMSgt, CAP