CAP Photos of 9/11- have they been released?

Started by Orville_third, February 13, 2010, 07:04:42 PM

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Orville_third

Recently, the National Institute of Standards & Technology released a number of photographs taken from the air during and after 9/11.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iKQtvU9zRF95RLI-rjN-hQxQJ-bgD9DPLJ780

I'm curious- did CAP have any photos released in this? Does CAP have files of said photos available for the public?
Captain Orville Eastland, CAP
Squadron Historian
Public Affairs Officer
Greenville Composite Squadron
SC Wing

alamrcn

Still makes me sick looking at that stuff... But those are some great vantage points that we haven't seen yet.



Ace Browning, Maj, CAP
History Hoarder
71st Wing, Minnesota

RiverAux

Its not like our photos were top secret.  Many have been utilized in various CAP publications.

DG

I know who took the photos.

On the day after the attack.

Spike

Quote from: DG on February 13, 2010, 08:43:14 PM
I know who took the photos.

On the day after the attack.

Do you want a coconut or chocolate chip cookie mailed to you??   >:D

Gunner C

IIRC, it was an NYPD helo that was orbiting the area, not one of our folks.  They were trying to land on the roof but there were too many guy wires, etc, not to mention toxic thick smoke.

There's nothing about that day that where you can find much of a ray of sunshine - only the heroics of the brave who gave their lives that day.  I can't watch news recounts of it.  Too painful, too sad, too much death.

a2capt

In the hours, and days to follow .. I recorded everything, I snagged everything, anything I could find. Pictures from web pages, newspapers, whatever. All the TV stuff.


Something really odd happened too, that morning that I had no idea I had done until some years later.


I had this really Rube Goldberg like contraption of stuff to record on, at the time, a Hi-8 shoulder camera that didn't record via the inbuilt tube very well anymore, but still made an excellent compact "deck", and having never owned a VHS machine I was doing my best to skip it until something better came along.


I had setup my semi-nightly timer to flip on the Hi-8 via a photo sensor glued to the front of the cable box, that when the cable box came on with it's inbuilt timer, (alarm clock), the LED channel display would light up, that in turn would "press" the power button on the Hi-8, and then three seconds later, "press" the record button. I say "press" because it was a circuit based on a capacitor that charged up (5 time constants) and caused a gate to close, then when it closed that triggered a solid state relay that was soldered to a connector on that Hi-8, that I hacked into the control panel. When the capacitor fully discharged again, a second relay would trigger record.


Of course, this meant I had to have the channel, and the ABCD box thing on the right spot so the SVHS video and line level audio got to the recorder.


Thats.. where things got interesting. Apparently through a twist of fate I missed the start time by 20 minutes, and I never took the cable box off CNN.


The contraption recorded CNN live that morning. Of course, when the whole mess started the first thing I did was hook up my MiniDV to another output and started recording too. Then I just started queueing up Hi8 tapes on two hour mode, one after the other for the next several days, between that an MiniDV tapes on different/same channels depending on which media I had more of, or was able to get to Wal*Mart/Costco and buy more of.


My point was, combined with the web pages and picture grabs, was to have it all. I was pretty upset, at the same time I was equally remembering past events that we never had as much media coverage of and I wanted to make that didn't happen again. Many newspapers were making their front pages and some whole sections available as PDF. Others were selling issues, mailing htem anywhere, from PayPal links online, etc. I grabbed all I could find.


The result was several CDs full, and a DVD or two after that. Over 200+ newspaper front pages in full size PDF alone.


I still can't bring myself to watch the stuff, or look at it, and not get really torqued.


But.. it's there.


I discovered the CNN feed some years later when I was looking at unlabeled tapes. I guess I took whatever was in the recorder that morning and just chucked it aside, and since it was at the opposite end of it's reels, I figured something was on it, check it later.


So I have the whole thing unfolding, and then several other DVDs, probably 10 in total, plus various documentaries on things like how they handled all the air traffic, getting all the planes on the ground. Then there was the History Channel, Modern Marvels episode on the WTC towers that was due to air about that time in the lineup, and was obviously delayed, and overlaid with commentary on how this was all filmed in earlier 2001, and presented now "as they were". They aired this some months later.


It's even getting to me right this moment, typing this.


Anyhow, it's also why I joined CAP, as I found a flyer in the pilot shop the week before Thanksgiving, and the unit was a couple miles away.


I do need to break that stuff out and make yet more copies of it, but if anyone is interested. ...


I even called a few local airport's ATIS and AWOS, and recorded the audio a few times.


Unprecedented events, and unprecedented response.

JayT

There's photos on the Long Island Group website.

However, after a while, looking at them becomes the worst sort of pornography.
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AirAux

What breaks my heart is thinking of all of those that jumped because they couldn't breathe and had no option..  I get severely depressed and want to punish those involved and the ones behind such hideous actions against innocent civilians..

DG

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Quote from: Spike on February 13, 2010, 09:03:27 PM
Quote from: DG on February 13, 2010, 08:43:14 PM
I know who took the photos.

On the day after the attack.

Do you want a coconut or chocolate chip cookie mailed to you??   >:D

Coconut would be nice.

One of the nice aspects of CAP is the privilege of being closer to and part of important missions in significant events.

Such as being good buddies with the guy who took the pictures on the CAP mission to photograph the World Trade Center destruction.  On the day after the attack.

Knowing and talking to and interacting with and being good buddies with and giving flight instruction back and forth with the CAP CFI mission pilot / observer who took the pictures over ground zero puts me closer to that significant event in US history.

He tells me the pilot over ground zero put the plane in a steep turn and did not deviate in airspeed or altitude.  The most perfect steep turn maneuvers(s) he has ever observed.  The pilot was focused.

Everybody was focused.  That day and for days afterward.

If you want your focus to be sending a coconut, then thanks for doing your part.

heliodoc

Good for you DG

Lots of us weren't so lucky to be part of history like you

Plenty of us were doing our part..

I was in a hell hole of a  UH 1H doing  inspections on the hook, underside of the deck, and many other Phase maintenance items.

I was, in fact, the last guy off the hangar floor, cuz they did not put "the word" out on the hangar floor.  Took me 20 minutes to realize that everyone was in another part of the facility watching the tube.

So you can say I was focused, too, just like your pilot, huh?

"Enjoy" your part of history.  Here's you coconut for being so humble in your thread......

Spike

DG!  Wow.  We are all part of history.  Saying "I knew the woman who was the second cousin of the guy who was friends with the brother of lady Gaga", does not mean you know Lady Gaga. 

My Friend worked in the World Trade Center (#3) and was in the building on 9/11.  That places me no more closer to the event than the guy in a Nebraska cornfield. 

Association with people is not the same as association by virtue.  If you were in the plane while the pictures were being taken, then yes.....you are part of that event.

Listening to a guy at the bar tell how he got through Vietnam does not mean I am part of that history.  I was not even alive then. 

On a side note, I am starting to get Cadets into the unit who can't remember 9/11 because they were too young at the time.  It makes me feel really old now!

FW

Quote from: Orville_third on February 13, 2010, 07:04:42 PM
Recently, the National Institute of Standards & Technology released a number of photographs taken from the air during and after 9/11.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iKQtvU9zRF95RLI-rjN-hQxQJ-bgD9DPLJ780

I'm curious- did CAP have any photos released in this? Does CAP have files of said photos available for the public?


Yes, they have been released to the public. I think they are still on our website. 
It's hard to believe it happened over 8 years ago.  I've been to "ground zero" a couple of times now and it still is a very emotional experience for me. >:(

Orville_third

I'm not so much interested in looking at it myself. However, as a historian, it can be useful in the future. (Including to evaluate future methods of photography.)
Captain Orville Eastland, CAP
Squadron Historian
Public Affairs Officer
Greenville Composite Squadron
SC Wing

NIN

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Quote from: heliodoc on February 14, 2010, 03:26:40 PM
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I was in a hell hole of a  UH 1H doing  inspections on the hook, underside of the deck, and many other Phase maintenance items.

I was, in fact, the last guy off the hangar floor, cuz they did not put "the word" out on the hangar floor.  Took me 20 minutes to realize that everyone was in another part of the facility watching the tube.

Yeah, I hate it when your buddies run off and leave you sitting on the hangar floor, completely jammed into the hellhole, and you keep hollering for tools and nobody answers :P 

(In my case, it was usually that time honored Army tradition known as "smokebreak," versus "terrorist attack") 

Heaven forbid something happened to you while you were wedged up in the belly of the beast and your buddies were off walking the dog.  (I wasn't claustrophobic until the first time I had to do some maintenance up in there..<GRIN>)
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SarDragon

I was sleeping when it happened. My CC called about 30 min after the second tower fell, and put us on standby for anything that might come down the pipe. I turned on the TV, and then proceeded to OD on the news. I still can't watch videos of the day's events. Apparently, I didn't learn from my similar experience in 1989 during the Loma Prieta earthquake (I was in Sunnyvale, CA).
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raivo

Quote from: AirAux on February 14, 2010, 04:42:05 AM
What breaks my heart is thinking of all of those that jumped because they couldn't breathe and had no option..  I get severely depressed and want to punish those involved and the ones behind such hideous actions against innocent civilians..

Almost as bad was the footage of people in certain regions of the world (which shall remain nameless) celebrating in the streets.

War is terrible. I like explosions as much as the next guy, but every time I see a video of something getting blown up, I'm never *happy* knowing that someone just got killed.

It makes me immensely horrified whenever I see people taking satisfaction in death and destruction, rather than viewing it a terrible but necessary evil.

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BTCS1*

I an from NYC, and as a 2nd grader witnessed the attack and had a firefighter friend die in it. To this day, I cannot look at any pictures or video of the attack wihout breaking down. 
C/2d Lt. B. Garelick, CAP

flyboy53

So, the original question was where are the CAP photos now? You used to be able to go to a NHQ web page that detailed all CAP operations from that period, but the page was eliminated several years ago. Fortunately I copied everything, but the photos had an unusual format that meant when they were printed some information would be lost due to the size. The photographer is now a NER staffer. Perhaps we should all gang up (joking) on him at the next conference?

DG

Quote from: flyboy1 on February 17, 2010, 11:49:10 AM
So, the original question was where are the CAP photos now? You used to be able to go to a NHQ web page that detailed all CAP operations from that period, but the page was eliminated several years ago. Fortunately I copied everything, but the photos had an unusual format that meant when they were printed some information would be lost due to the size. The photographer is now a NER staffer. Perhaps we should all gang up (joking) on him at the next conference?


I went and looked at the Long Island Group website and photos.

The buddy I referenced was not in the picture!  So I called him.

Turns out, he did not fly September 12.  Rather he flew the next day.  He was the photographer in the Red, White, and Blue CAP aircraft depicted in the paintings that were done of the event.

The airplane in the Long Island Group photo can be seen to be an old paint scheme (not R/W/B).  My buddy tells me that the CAP plane and crew that flew September 12 was almost shot down by a NYPD helicopter.