CAP Member in Photo on CNN Gallery

Started by a2capt, September 09, 2012, 09:10:30 PM

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a2capt

There's a boot in the far left upper section of the photo, looks like tan with desert marpat above it.

Suffice to say that the photo is just a glimpse of a larger image. I'd imagine there was more going on that day.

Eclipse

Quote from: a2capt on September 10, 2012, 09:11:57 PM
There's a boot in the far left upper section of the photo, looks like tan with desert marpat above it.

Looks like the same boots and pants they are all wearing, and a dark blue elbow.

If nothing else, what this does show is all that is in the eye of the beholder, and how "the best intended" photo isn't
necessarily interpreted as intended, especially without a detailed caption.

"That Others May Zoom"

KMcCann

Quote from: Eclipse on September 10, 2012, 09:00:16 PM
Quote from: lordmonar on September 10, 2012, 08:57:50 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on September 10, 2012, 08:56:40 PM
Quote from: Cool Mace on September 10, 2012, 08:48:32 PM
Even if he was saluting them, is that wrong?

Would the answer be the same if the were Ren Faire re enactors or Starfleet cosplayers?
No.

This is exactly the same thing.  No one in that line was actually in the Civil War on either side, so they are just playing make-believe war.
I personally believe it's somewhat distasteful, but people are allowed to have hobbies.

Frozen ice at Ren Faire or salted pork and hard bread at "Civil War Days", it's just adults playing dress up.

Then by what you just said almost no one in CAP deserves a salute. Not everyone in CAP has served in the military or been in a war.

Technically, we are just an organization playing dress up then.

Eclipse

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Quote from: KMcCann on September 10, 2012, 09:42:37 PM
Then by what you just said almost no one in CAP deserves a salute. Not everyone in CAP has served in the military or been in a war.

Technically, we are just an organization playing dress up then.

I was wondering who'd be the first to make that statement - congrats, though it isn't relevant, or the same argument.  That's a pretty
dim view of an organization you've apparently chosen to spend your time in.

If that's your attitude, enjoy, it doesn't change our regulations - CAP members, you know actual members who serve each other and their community
in various ways, including saving lives, mentoring young people, and generally not being part of the problem, are required to salute each other - what anyone from outside does is not my concern.

"That Others May Zoom"

Майор Хаткевич

CAP has a mission, we don't dress up to be part of a play,air soft, reenactment, etc.

KMcCann

I don't have a "dim view" of our regulations, or our organization. You're right. Its Required for other CAP members. I just don't see why it's such a big deal. Maybe that cadet is saluting the uniform of those who are wearing it. Maybe he is saluting those who died. A salute is a sign of respect. There is no regulation that says at no time shall a CAP member not salute a civilian. There are regulations stating who MUST be saluted, but there are no regulations that say who is NOT to be saluted. Yes, I realise there is the NCO's for cadets and seniors and airmen for the cadets. If you can find where it says to not salute a reenactor, please cite a regulation for me, because this is something that has come up time after time in my squadron and I have not been able to find anything.

Critical AOA

Quote from: flyer333555 on September 10, 2012, 01:43:49 AM
David,

What do you know about Civil War uniforms?

Those reenactors in the photo are not wearing "blue over grey." They are wearing blue over light blue, which is a correct uniform for the Civil War volunteer soldiers and militia. Only federal troops wore the same shade of blue overall.

Flyer

Well, on both of my monitors, the pants look more grey than light blue.  Besides, I was just trying to make a humorous connection to the blue shirt & grey pants debates on various uniform threads.  I guess that escaped you. 
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."   - George Bernard Shaw

Eclipse

Quote from: KMcCann on September 10, 2012, 09:58:48 PMIf you can find where it says to not salute a reenactor, please cite a regulation for me, because this is something that has come up time after time in my squadron and I have not been able to find anything.

We don't cite the negative - either it's required you do it, or not spoken of.

I can't begin to imagine why saluting re-enactors would ever come up in CAP, let alone repeatedly.

"That Others May Zoom"

KMcCann

Re-enactors or anyone who is civilian. Sorry that was an unclear error on my part.

Eclipse

Quote from: KMcCann on September 10, 2012, 10:14:49 PM
Re-enactors or anyone who is civilian. Sorry that was an unclear error on my part.

Fair enough, why would we ever salute anyone who is "civilian"?  (Absent something else like MoH, POTUS, etc?)

"That Others May Zoom"

KMcCann

Quote from: Eclipse on September 10, 2012, 10:16:57 PM
Quote from: KMcCann on September 10, 2012, 10:14:49 PM
Re-enactors or anyone who is civilian. Sorry that was an unclear error on my part.

Fair enough, why would we ever salute anyone who is "civilian"?  (Absent something else like MoH, POTUS, etc?)

Maybe they were part of the Volunteer Emergency Management force that saved you from a wreck. Maybe they just happened to be there and saved your life. Maybe they're a distinguished member of your community who has done great things to help it aspire and thrive through a difficult time, or not a dificult time, but just gave a lot back to the community. Maybe they are there to represent those who couldn't be there.

Eclipse

Then you say thank you, and maybe buy them an adult beverage or coffee.

"That Others May Zoom"

Майор Хаткевич

Maybe I'll do the civilian salute and shake their hand...

KMcCann

Quote from: Eclipse on September 10, 2012, 10:26:48 PM
Then you say thank you, and maybe buy them an adult beverage or coffee.

Even if you're in a CAP uniform, at an event honoring those people?

Майор Хаткевич

Quote from: KMcCann on September 10, 2012, 10:28:55 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on September 10, 2012, 10:26:48 PM
Then you say thank you, and maybe buy them an adult beverage or coffee.

Even if you're in a CAP uniform, at an event honoring those people?

Did they ban handshakes in uniform? Just because you can salute, doesn't mean it's  the right salutation.

KMcCann

Quote from: usafaux2004 on September 10, 2012, 10:30:09 PM
Quote from: KMcCann on September 10, 2012, 10:28:55 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on September 10, 2012, 10:26:48 PM
Then you say thank you, and maybe buy them an adult beverage or coffee.

Even if you're in a CAP uniform, at an event honoring those people?

Did they ban handshakes in uniform? Just because you can salute, doesn't mean t the right salutation.

I didn't say they ban them. I'm just giving hypothetical situations as I was asked to do.

Eclipse

Saluting has a specific meaning, place, and use.  Outside that lane, there are other appropriate means of gratitude, appreciation, and respect.

Salutes used incorrectly cheapen the meaning or miss the point.

The occasional mis-placed salute can bring with it more meaning and respect then the correct ones, but those are usually "movie moments".  If you walk around like a slot machine, they mean nothing.

"That Others May Zoom"

KMcCann

Quote from: Eclipse on September 10, 2012, 10:33:50 PM
Saluting has a specific meaning, place, and use.  Outside that lane, there are other appropriate means of gratitude, appreciation, and respect.

Salutes used incorrectly cheapen the meaning or miss the point.

I couldn't agree more.

SarDragon

A salute is a greeting, no more, no less. The military, and others, use it on a formal basis, in somewhat specified situations. If I choose to salute someone, regardless of what I'm wearing, I will do so. There's no law or regulation against it, and no one who can authoritatively tell me I can't.
Dave Bowles
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Eclipse

Quote from: SarDragon on September 10, 2012, 10:52:06 PMThere's no law or regulation against it, and no one who can authoritatively tell me I can't.

On your personal time, of course not.  In a CAP uniform, of course they can, and we should certainly be training our cadets properly.

This isn't much different from the goober who goes and tells someone in the military to take back their salute because it's not required.

"That Others May Zoom"