Historical Jackpot - Historical Documents found

Started by jimmydeanno, March 14, 2008, 12:05:56 PM

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RiverAux

  >:D   Hoover might have had his own ideas about CAP uniforms...  >:D

mikeylikey

Hoover was a bad guy to say the least. 

Actually checking prospective members against a list of know subversives, that would wind up being a court case so fast these days.  I guess back in the 40's and 1950's times were very different.  Those Communists hiding around every corner, men wearing female clothes, homosexuals living in the suburbs.  Wow....how times have changed.
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RiverAux


James Shaw

Even in 1945 we were trying to preserve our history.
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Smithsonia

The information provided in this thread is important for the following reasons:
1. Historical Records provide the root stock of important stories. Stories of inspiration and lessons learned.
2. History provides examples and options for leaders. It is the catalogue of possibility.
3. History is just plain fun. When brought down to this human-sized scale that we have witnessed in these documents... it's better tabloid news than Britney, Paris, and Lindsey... because it's real people dealing with real stuff. It's a scale that we all recognize because it is personal too.
With regards;
1Lt. Ed O'Brien
CO/WG Heritage Project Officer
With regards;
ED OBRIEN

jimmydeanno

#85
It's been a while since I've posted in this thread.  I have been continuing this project since I first started.  There is just a lot of stuff and little time.  However,  I thought I'd post these three pictures for you all.  I'm not sure of the era of these pictures, but they are from NHWG's "Portsmouth Squadron."  The squadron is now Seacoast Composite Squadron (www.seacoastsquadron.net) and apparently can claim to be the "oldest continuously operating squadron in CAP."

Perhaps someone can put a time frame on the pictures based on uniform accessories like the Pepsi Patch in # 2 and the "CAP" device on the flight cap in picture 1.

First picture is the only one I have information on who is in it.

On the left is a man by the name of Jim Morrison.
On the right is Capt Joseph (Mickey) Verna of Portsmouth Squadron.  Capt Verna is one of the founding members who has been promoted to Col and awarded the DSM.  Unfortunately we haven't been able to officially present it yet for various reasons.  He's a good man.  Enjoy!
If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law. - Winston Churchill

MIKE

Mike Johnston

jimmydeanno

Quote from: MIKE on September 26, 2008, 03:31:42 PM
Nice squadron van!  :)

Thought you'd like that.  It must be where they kept the .50 cal machine gun on the previous inventory request lists :)

I just noticed the station wagon parked in the hangar, judging by the "Ghostbusters mobile" styling of it, might be mid '50s?  Can anyone verify?
If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law. - Winston Churchill

BuckeyeDEJ

Quote from: mikeylikey on March 17, 2008, 12:28:52 AM
^ There were 3 Auxiliaries of the U S Army back then, CAP being only one of them. 
Also reading it for what its worth, "An" is a descriptive of what is coming later on in the sentence.  Don't forget, back then people knew how to speak and write properly, not what we have today.  We are lucky if a High School graduate can put together a complete sentence, let alone make a comprehensive statement. 

You'd use "A" if the next word began with a consonant. Either way, the use of the articles "a" and "an" do not denote the exclusivity that "the" carries.

Examples:
'A force multiplier,' not 'an force multiplier'
'An aviator...', not 'a aviator...'

Don't get me started on 'who' vs. 'whom.'


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EMT-83

The photo doesn't show much of the car, but it looks like it could be a 1956 Ford Parklane wagon. If so, that's a fairly rare car.

notaNCO forever

Even if you know the year of the car it's not going to tell you the year the picture was taken.

jimmydeanno

Quote from: NCO forever on September 26, 2008, 11:21:51 PM
Even if you know the year of the car it's not going to tell you the year the picture was taken.

Well, if it is a mid 50's car I know it wasn't taken pre mid-1950's.  It eliminates quite a bit of time...
If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law. - Winston Churchill

SarDragon

#92
OK, the station wagon appears to be a 1957 Ford. Is what you posted a full size scan? If not, can you email a full size scan so I can look at the partially hidden car on the right? Address is in my profile.

[edit] Never mind on the email. There just isn't enough there to ID the other car.

So, it was taken from 9/56 on. Likely later.
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treefrog

Dr. Dave,

Am new to CAP Talk but have been Missouri Wing Historian for a decent nine months.  What came of those Missouri trunks you spoke of?  I sure would be interested in seeing them? I am making contacts as can and was pleased to read your email,

Rick

Al Sayre

Quote from: notaNCO forever on September 26, 2008, 11:21:51 PM
Even if you know the year of the car it's not going to tell you the year the picture was taken.

You might be able to zoom in on the license plate of the truck...
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SarDragon

I tried that. I gets too pixelated. Not high enough res on the scan.

It's gotta be a '55 or '56. The fin design is way different before and after, but I don't know the subtle differences between the two years. It's a Ranch Wagon model.
Dave Bowles
Maj, CAP
AT1, USN Retired
50 Year Member
Mitchell Award (unnumbered)
C/WO, CAP, Ret

RiverAux

Quote from: jimmydeanno on March 14, 2008, 12:30:28 PM
CIVIL AIR PATROL
An Auxiliary of the Army Air Forces

7 May 1944

Subject: Fatal Shooting

To: Lt. Col John F. Brown
      N.H. Wing Headquarters
      Concord, N.H.

1. On 7 May 1944 shortly after noon, Corp. Richard Towle CAP serial No. 1-1-929 attached to the Portsmouth Squadron, accidentally shot Leslie E. O'Brien CAPC., at the Portsmouth Municipal Airport.

2. Pvt. Adrien Frenette, CAPC had just relieved Corp. Towle at Squadron Headquarters and together with CAPC. O'Brien were standing by to receive telephone messages and to serve any incoming flying personnel.

3. The weapon involved - a 45 cal. colt automatic was hanging on a hook in a holster in the Officers day room with nothing in the barrel and the clip only partially inserted - left there for any of the night guards in case of emergency.
Orders had been given that no one was to touch the gun without authority.  Corp. Towle removed gun from holster and in working action accidently discharged it.  The bullet struck Cadet O'Brien in the stomach.

4. Cadet O'Brien was rushed to the hospital in a Police ambulance, given plasma and adrenalin but died shortly after arrival.

5. Portsmouth authorities - Police and County Solictor [sic] made an ivestigation and determined the shooting to be purely accidental, Corp. Towle was immediately released after the finding.

1st Lt. John E. Palmer, CAP
Commanding Portsmouth Squadron

Distribution
1cc Lt. Col Brown
1cc File

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Upper left hand corner of the document appears to have a form number for the letterhead "WF-9-7-43-100M.  The document is on preprinted letterhead and has the CAP Emblem (Dark blue circle with white triangle.  Inside the triangle, the CAP Tri-prop.  In the lower part of the circle the letters "US")
Additional confirmation of this incident: http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=UqMgAAAAIBAJ&sjid=nmgFAAAAIBAJ&pg=6367,2621628&dq=civil-air-patrol+and+shot&hl=en

jimmydeanno

Great work.  This and the letters should be enough to put together a letter to get this cadet put on the memorial.

This entire time, I thought that the Corporal was  senior member, but the article says he was 15.  My assumption was based on the use of ", CAP" and ", CAPC" used in the letters.  Of course, my understanding of CAP history then is pretty low so I don't know if senior members had enlisted ranks like Corporal (I understand the Army association, but not the old senior member rank program).
If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law. - Winston Churchill

RiverAux

In this case I would probably rely on the official report a bit more than the newspaper account.  The official report that there was another cadet present (Frenette) and I suspect the newspaper got mixed up.