I was just asked by a friend...what is the oldest aircraft we currently fly? I know here in PAWG, we have a 182Q from 1978, but I'd think there are older aircraft somewhere in the organization.
Thanks
Captain Marc Eichler
AE/LL Officer
Philadelphia Composite Squadron 102
I think you will find that the "oldest" airframes are in the Alaska wing..... many of the planes they fly haven't been produced in DECADES........
Here is the first part of the list of corporate aircraft (including gliders)
N4793C 296 1951 Dehavilland DHC2 AK-001
N5142G 481 1952 Dehavilland DHC2 AK-001
N8964 538 1952 Dehavilland DHC2 AK-001
N5347G 762 1953 Dehavilland DHC2 AK-001
N31522 535 1955 Dehavilland DHC2 AK-001
N5315G 980 1955 Dehavilland DHC2 AK-001
N2770Z 211 1964 Schweizer 2-22E SWR-001
N7771S 141 1965 Schweizer 2-33A NHQ-888
N99859 37 1966 Schweizer 2-32 MI-002
N2474W 30 1967 Schweizer 2-33 NCR-001
N1191S 5 1967 Schweizer 2-33A IL-001
N7539 169 1970 Schweizer 2-33A MER-001
N17868 246 1972 Schweizer 2-33A SWR-001
N9554G U20601754 1972 Cessna U206F CA-389
N65809 311 1973 Schweizer 2-33 IL-001
N65846 336 1974 Schweizer 2-33A RMR-001
N4728K 18263727 1975 Cessna 182P UT-001
N2624H 444 1976 Schweizer 2-33A AK-001
N2890H 550 1976 Schweizer 2-33A SWR-001
N701DE 17268367 1977 Cessna 172N DE-001
N236NY 17268975 1977 Cessna 172N NY-001
N735CR 18265323 1977 Cessna 182Q TX-148
N2037T 467 1977 Schweizer 2-33A CA-428
N2045T 475 1977 Schweizer 2-33A NHQ-888
N7304N U20603607 1977 Cessna U206G CA-080
N7360C U20603898 1977 Cessna U206G NER-001
N737NM 17269515 1978 Cessna 172N NM-001
N759HT 18266013 1978 Cessna 182Q CO-015
N1658A 18266315 1978 Cessna 182Q HI-060
N759PJ 18266148 1978 Cessna 182Q IN-001
N704DE 18266237 1978 Cessna 182Q PA-338
N94800 18266512 1978 Cessna 182Q PA-143
N759MY 18266114 1978 Cessna 182Q SC-001
N759SP 18266225 1978 Cessna 182Q WY-001
N2805H 515 1978 Schweizer 2-33A NER-001
N9869C R18200476 1978 Cessna R182 ME-001
N9459M U20604547 1978 Cessna U206G NV-064
^^^^^^ TOLD YA!!!!!^^^^^^^
Are those DHC-2's actually airworthy though, and anyplace on some CAP site I could see how many hours they have? I'd also guess they aren't used for cadet o-flights...
Marc
Quote from: Maverick925 on July 26, 2013, 03:20:49 AM
Are those DHC-2's actually airworthy though, and anyplace on some CAP site I could see how many hours they have? I'd also guess they aren't used for cadet o-flights...
Marc
Wanna bet? They're airworthy and flown a lot.
Gotta be tough to find spare parts for them...I mean 60 year old planes don't have a lot parts that are readily available.
They are heavily used for everything from SAR to O-Flights. I was a cadet in PCR-AK-009 Fairbanks Composite Squadron in the late 90s early 00s. We had a DHC-2, Cessna, and one of the Schweitzer gliders. Eielson AFB Composite Squadron used their DHC-2 regularly and in fact it is on their squadron patch. Flying in the DHC-2 and Schweitzer were awesome because they were opportunities that most people do not ever get. There is something pretty awesome about landing on floats/skis as well.
Quote from: Maverick925 on July 26, 2013, 03:20:49 AM
Are those DHC-2's actually airworthy though, and anyplace on some CAP site I could see how many hours they have? I'd also guess they aren't used for cadet o-flights...
Marc
https://missions.capnhq.gov/aircraftstatus/index.cfm
Quote from: Maverick925 on July 26, 2013, 03:20:49 AM
Are those DHC-2's actually airworthy though, and anyplace on some CAP site I could see how many hours they have? I'd also guess they aren't used for cadet o-flights...
Marc
The Beaver is the aviation equivalent of an old Dodge Powerwagon. It may not be real fast or real pretty, but it's tough as nails and will haul a metric buttload of stuff and will still take you places lesser planes wouldn't even consider.
Quote from: Maverick925 on July 26, 2013, 03:36:26 AM
Gotta be tough to find spare parts for them...I mean 60 year old planes don't have a lot parts that are readily available.
You would be surprised. Parts are still being made since there are still a whole bunch of these beasts still flying.
Beavers are shown in bold
Aircraft Utilization for
FY2013
Alaska
Tail No. A1 A2 A3 A4 A5 A6 A7 A8 A9 A15 A18 A20 A99 B5 B9 B10 B11 B12 B13 B14 B15 B16 B17 B18 B20 B21 B99 C8 C9 C14 C16 C17 C18 C19 C20 C21 C22 C23 C24 C30 C99 C911 L1 Total
N185HS 13.7 - - - 15.9 - - - 7 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2.9 - - - 1.5 - - - - - - - - - - - 41
N185TW - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 0
N19MJ - - - - 40.4 - - - 9.4 2.5 - - - - - - - 1.6 - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1.4 - - - - - - - - - - - 55.3
N246CC 9.6 - - - 41.8 - - - 4.3 2.7 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 13 - - - - - - - - - - - 71.4
N31522 3 - - - 58.2 - - - 7.6 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 68.8
N378SP 26.4 - - - 11.3 - - - 3.8 1.4 - - - - - - - 4.6 - - - - - - - - - 3.6 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 51.1
N430CP - - - - 15.9 - - - 4.6 3.3 - - - - - - - 13.1 - - - - - - - - - - - - 44.1 1.7 - - - - - - - - - - - 82.7
N431CP 1.1 - - - 13.1 - - - 15.5 2.1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 52.5 1.9 - - - - - - - - - - - 86.2
N472CP - - - - 7.2 - - - 1.7 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2.1 11
N4793C - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 0
N4950R 5.3 - - - 38 - - - 12.8 - - - 4.1 - - - - 20.4 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 80.6
N5142G - - - - 15.3 - - - 16.2 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2.7 - - - - - - - - - 34.2
N5315G 2.3 - - - 16.7 - - - 12 - - - - - - - - - - - - - 3.3 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 34.3
N5347G - - - - 19.5 - - - 8 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1.7 - - - - - - - - - - - 29.2
N61795 0.7 - - - 17.3 - - - 6.4 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 24.4
N6192U - - - - 21.6 - - - 24.1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 6.8 - - - - - - - - - - 1.8 54.3
N6266E 39.1 - - - 33.8 - - - 8.9 4.4 - - - - - - - 15.2 - - - - 3.9 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 0.5 105.8
N735EA - - - - 19.3 - - - 8.4 - - - - - - - - 1.7 - - - - 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 30.4
N79JP 39.9 - - - 30.5 - - - 7.3 5.4 - 14.4 - - - - - 6.9 - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2.9 - - 40.5 - - - - - - - - 147.8
N810CP 41.8 - - - 32.1 - - - 6.3 1.8 - - - - - - - 2.5 - - - - - - - - - - - - - 7.9 - - - - - - - - - - - 92.4
N8964 - - - - 12 - - - 1.7 - - - - - - - - 3.5 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 17.2
N914CP 1.6 - - - 13.3 - - - 8.2 18.3 - 7.4 - - - - - 17.8 - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2.1 - - 12 - - - - - - - - 80.7
N9484X - - - - 10 - - - 10.3 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 4.9 - - - - - - - - - - 2 27.2
N9547L - - - - 24.4 - - - 10.4 2.7 - - 2.8 - - - - 27.4 - - - - - - - - - - - - 93.4 5.1 - - - - - - - - - - - 166.2
N9635L 12.3 - - - 24 - - - 16.6 6.7 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1 18.8 - - - - - - - - - - - 79.4
N9679A 28.2 - - - 40.7 - - - 17.2 12.9 - - - - - - - - - - - - 1.7 - - - - - - - 1.3 18.4 - - - - - - - - - - - 120.4
N9694L 12.7 - - - 20.1 - - - 3.4 9.9 - - - - - - - 30 - - - - 1 - - - - - - - 1.4 1.2 - - - - - - - - - - - 79.7
N9772H - - - - 11.3 - - - 6.7 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 18
N9803H - - - - 16.3 - - - - 10.9 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2.8 - - 2.3 8.5 - - - - - - - - - - - 40.8
Corp. Total 237.7 - - - 620 - - - 238.8 85 - 21.8 6.9 - - - - 144.7 - - - - 10.9 - - - - 9.3 - - 196 97.8 - 2.7 52.5 - - - - - - - 6.4 1,730.50
Member - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 0
Total 237.7 - - - 620 - - - 238.8 85 - 21.8 6.9 - - - - 144.7 - - - - 10.9 - - - - 9.3 - - 196 97.8 - 2.7 52.5 - - - - - - - 6.4 1,730.50
Our oldest bird, N9554G, has 3066.7 on the Hobbs, and 2129.1 on the tach. It's a 1972 U206. I haven't been able to get to AKWG numbers.
I think my first sortie when I got to MIWG was in N99859.
I probably had 200-300 hours in 54G and I can tell you that it flies better than some of the newer 182s. My personal airplane is a 1965 Beech Debonair with over 9,000 hours on the airframe and it looks and flies like a much newer airplane.
Surprised to learn that my wing has the oldest 182 in the corporate fleet, but I have a number of hours in that airplane and it flies great. It could certainly use an interior refurbishing and a panel refresh, but it's a viable asset.
Quote from: Mustang on August 25, 2013, 07:25:56 AM
Surprised to learn that my wing has the oldest 182 in the corporate fleet, but I have a number of hours in that airplane and it flies great. It could certainly use an interior refurbishing and a panel refresh, but it's a viable asset.
May I ask what Wing are you on? :angel:
Quote from: vento on August 25, 2013, 04:45:30 PM
May I ask what Wing are you on? :angel:
Mustang is definitely on the left wing.
Quote from: vento on August 25, 2013, 04:45:30 PM
Quote from: Mustang on August 25, 2013, 07:25:56 AM
Surprised to learn that my wing has the oldest 182 in the corporate fleet, but I have a number of hours in that airplane and it flies great. It could certainly use an interior refurbishing and a panel refresh, but it's a viable asset.
May I ask what Wing are you on? :angel:
I'll give you a hint: the one the oldest 182 in post #3 is assigned to. :)
I wondered if someone would just look at that list.. ;)
And that airplane is only is only 38 years old. Much younger than most airplanes in my local FBO... >:D
Around here? Where? Cinema Air is long gone ;-)
Quote from: NIN on August 26, 2013, 12:30:08 AM
Quote from: vento on August 25, 2013, 04:45:30 PM
May I ask what Wing are you on? :angel:
Mustang is definitely on the left wing.
:clap: :clap: :clap: Now that sir was fuuuuuunny! And oh sooo true!
N4728K is a great flying bird. Also doubles as a superb glider tow plane.
I logged two sorties (four hours) as an observer in 42 Golf back in 1979 when I was with the Alaskan Wing. What an airplane. Those two sorties were flown two pilots up front and four observers in back and that aircraft could be flown from any type of airfield -- pavement, grass or gravel.
Anyone know what ever happened to the California Wing squadron that had the fleet of AT-6 Texans. I read about them as a cadet in an issue of Air Progress magazine and was always amazed.
Don't know about a CAWG Sq that had AT-6s, but can vouch that no such animal has existed since 1993, when I joined CAWG.
Members of San Fernando Senior Squadron 35 bought war surplus T-6s in the late 1950s or so. Photos of their flight line show 10-12 aircraft. The birds were all painted "rescue" yellow, and included military-style markings, nose art, etc. An article in the April 1967 issue of "The Golden Wing" (the wing's magazine at the time) proudly announced that "RESCUE" had been painted on the bottom of the wings of all "B" Flight's T-6s for easier identification of their mission.
The squadron moved to nearby Whiteman Airpark when San Fernando Airport was closed --- in order to plant more houses in the booming SFV. At some point (I still can't determine exactly when) the T-6s went to Condor Senior Squadron 135 based at Van Nuys Airport. I flew two sorties as observer, including one with Captain Cliff Shirpser over snow-covered Mount San Gorgonio, at 11,503' the highest peak in Southern California.
Around 2008-9, California Wing deactivated the CAP squadron, but it continues today as "The Condor Squadron", "attacking" the USS Lane Victory on its day cruises out of San Pedro Harbor, and performing memorial fly-overs for events throughout Southern California. Long gone are the rescue markings, and today the planes sport a variety of military markings including WWII-era Luftwaffe.
2009? I can't find charter # 135 in any CAPWATCH data that I have stashed.
Though they are listes as of April 2001, but in December it's gone.
http://web.archive.org/web/20010413014514/http://cawg.cap.gov/html/Cunits/cunit1.htm (http://web.archive.org/web/20010413014514/http://cawg.cap.gov/html/Cunits/cunit1.htm)
You are absolutely right, a2capt! Squadron 135 was gone by 2002. For some reason, I associated the deactivation with Col Parris' tenure as wing commander, when really it was Col Myrick's first term. Interesting to note that seven of the 17 squadrons listed are now gone....
And "they" are right: nothing ever disappears from the Internet. Interesting to note that seven of the 17 squadrons listed on the locator are now gone....
Quote from: AdAstra on August 29, 2013, 08:20:10 PM
You are absolutely right, a2capt! Squadron 135 was gone by 2002. For some reason, I associated the deactivation with Col Parris' tenure as wing commander, when really it was Col Myrick's first term. Interesting to note that seven of the 17 squadrons listed are now gone....
And "they" are right: nothing ever disappears from the Internet. Interesting to note that seven of the 17 squadrons listed on the locator are now gone....
At one time there were SEVEN squadrons on or within 1 mile of Van Nuys Airport. Col Myrick closed and or consoladated a number of those units.
Some, like the Condor Squadron, were private flying clubs that pretended to be CAP units so they could fly on the Air Force's dime.
QuoteMembers of San Fernando Senior Squadron 35 bought war surplus T-6s in the late 1950s or so. Photos of their flight line show 10-12 aircraft. The birds were all painted "rescue" yellow, and included military-style markings, nose art, etc. An article in the April 1967 issue of "The Golden Wing" (the wing's magazine at the time) proudly announced that "RESCUE" had been painted on the bottom of the wings of all "B" Flight's T-6s for easier identification of their mission.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7388/9627700012_69943c5459_z.jpg)
Mike
Kinda looks like ol' Cliff Shirpsher's (sp?) plane.
^^It is Cliff's, from a long time ago, in a galaxy...
Mike
I've got a few hours in the back seat of that bird. Never, ever tell Cliff to hold it steady for a minute so you can take a drink of water.
That and make darn sure your shoulder harness is tight!