Bye bye NCOs???

[Panache]

It's just that you being an CAPT in the army means nothing outside of the army.

Tell that to Chief Petty Officer who decided to rip me a new orifice for failing to salute the Ensign he was with when I was a Specialist in the Army.

[Flying Pig]

If some potential new members would rather be pseudo-NCOs, as opposed to pseudo-Officers

It's just that you being an CAPT in the army means nothing outside of the army.

Well, I think what you meant to say was a Captain in the Army doesn't mean anything outside of the military.

[Eclipse]

It's just that you being an CAPT in the army means nothing outside of the army.

There's about 4 vectors of wrong there.

[antdetroitwallyball]

If some potential new members would rather be pseudo-NCOs, as opposed to pseudo-Officers

It's just that you being an CAPT in the army means nothing outside of the army.

Well, I think what you meant to say was a Captain in the Army doesn't mean anything outside of the military.

Correct. This is what I should of said. Of course, this is 99% of Americans.

Tell that to Chief Petty Officer who decided to rip me a new orifice for failing to salute the Ensign he was with when I was a Specialist in the Army.

Also remember that even a CAPT in the army in not even equivalent to a CAPT in the naval services. Being a PFC in the army is not the same as being a PFC in the marine corps. An E5 is an E5, which is the same across the military services. But that's paygrade, not rank.

There's about 4 vectors of wrong there.

Bearing in mind my above correction, please explain. Outside of the military, "Captain" means many different things. I don't mean to detract from well-earned accomplishments of our service people, I just don't like the assumption that all rank necessarily means military. I don't look at a police SGT as having pseudo-rank.

[Eclipse]

^ You're drilling yourself in deeper the more you explain, might be best to just let it go.

[RiverAux]

I just don't get why there is a need for two parallel rank systems for senior members. That's really just it.

Even better is that the two different systems uses the exact same course materials for advancement.  For example, completing the SLS and CLC will be some of the requirements for promotions of both officers and NCOs.  Demonstrates just how "unique" NCOs will be.

[antdetroitwallyball]

^ You're drilling yourself in deeper the more you explain, might be best to just let it go.

I wouldn't want to argue with a man who has 21,552 more posts than I do....  

[UH60guy]

...where was I going with this?

I think that's National's approach to the NCO program summed up nicely, thankyouverymuch.

[arajca]

^ You're drilling yourself in deeper the more you explain, might be best to just let it go.

I wouldn't want to argue with a man who has 21,552 more posts than I do....  

Why not? Everyone else does.

[UH60guy]

^ You're drilling yourself in deeper the more you explain, might be best to just let it go.

I wouldn't want to argue with a man who has 21,552 more posts than I do....  

Why not? Everyone else does.

Argument? Oh I'm sorry, that's next door. It's being hit on the head lessons in here.

[SunDog]

If some potential new members would rather be pseudo-NCOs, as opposed to pseudo-Officers

See, this is were I think people's understanding of "rank" is confused. You are a "real" officer in CAP. It's just that you being an CAPT in the army means nothing outside of the army. You are a real officer in cap, just not in the army, or your local police dept for that matter. Rank is entirely dependent on each organization.

Ah, yeah, my bad - I should have said "Corporate Officer",  vice "pseudo-Officer"; I tend to think of "Commission" IRT "Officer", as in a document hanging on the wall, when I think Military officer. Only we ain't military officers, we're corporate officers. I think. . .no one gave me a commission or a Fed oath of office in CAP, so we must be corporate officers. Perhaps?

What's the civilian corporate equivalent to an NCO? Technician? Foreman? Line Supervisor? That''s why I'll never make Major - it's not worth worrying ab

[Eclipse]

"Corporate officer" is not an appropriate term, either.

We are "Civil Air Patrol Officers".

[Flying Pig]

Edit.. Ehhhh  nevermind

[Panache]

What's the civilian corporate equivalent to an NCO? Technician? Foreman? Line Supervisor? That''s why I'll never make Major - it's not worth worrying ab

Senior Fry Cook?

[BuckeyeDEJ]

Did y'all read the memorandum LordMonar posted in this thread? I think that after you read the timetables in the back, you'll get a decent feel for what's going to happen over the next several years. Sounds to me like there WILL be two tracks when all is said and done, and they won't be parallel.

[Panache]

Sounds to me like there WILL be two tracks when all is said and done, and they won't be parallel.

Phase II - "Redefine the standards for entry into the CAP Officer program."

Oh my.  I can only imagine the amount of angst and internet drama this is going to produce.

[LSThiker]

I have to admit, there are some nice things about this system.  I like the promotion quota.  However, I find it funny that a squadron is limited to 1 MSgt but unlimited Lt Cols.  On the other hand though, this can limit promotion potential as that single MSgt may never leave for 20 years, which means no other NCOs can be promoted without going to Wing.  That system never states how many MSgt's a wing can have.  But that SMSgt may sit at his/her position for 20 years.  The only person that seems to have a tenure rule is the CMSgt.  Which raises another question, since squadrons are not authorized anything higher than a MSgt, where will that CMSgt go after his/her tenure?  I find it interesting that CMSgt positions have a tenure position except the National Command Chief.  Why does he/she not have a tenure length as even the National Commander and BoG members do?

I know, only time will tell.

[LSThiker]

Phase II - "Redefine the standards for entry into the CAP Officer program."

Oh my.  I can only imagine the amount of angst and internet drama this is going to produce.

May be that will be the requirement for a bachelors degree for CAP officers 

[SunDog]

Gad. . .now read the original post again; the departing member may be spot on.

[Panache]

Phase II - "Redefine the standards for entry into the CAP Officer program."

Oh my.  I can only imagine the amount of angst and internet drama this is going to produce.

May be that will be the requirement for a bachelors degree for CAP officers