AFIADL 00013

DrJbdm · January 28, 2007, 09:42:08 PM

I think AFIADL 00013 should be required before becoming eligible for 2Lt.

afgeo4 · January 28, 2007, 11:36:36 PM

Have you thought of creating a study group? Make an event out of the 13. Let people get together and read/discuss the material. Some of our older members are put off by the "distance learning/online" course designation. Some don't have the motivation to do it on their own. Some feel it may be more difficult than it is. Create a positive feel... a study group can do that and can be a good place to discuss the different parts of CAP, Air Force, and our operations/history. Could lead to a general concensus of your members on major issues (I find the lack of it to be an all too common problem in CAP.)

Invite some cadet officers/senior NCOs too. Not all will have to take the exam, but all could learn from the material. It'll provide some bonding in a composite squadron too.

SAR-EMT1 · January 29, 2007, 01:54:58 AM

I would love to see AU or somebody update/correct the errors in the 00013. And Id really love for a CAP ASBC to get developed.

Can anyone tell me how the 00013 / ECI-13 was developed/ written in the first place and by whom?

Aside from that Im very glad we have access to all the AFIADL courses and PME. I saw one in personnel and admin that Ive got my eye on right now.

davedove · January 29, 2007, 03:15:55 PM

What does everyone think of this idea? I am thinking of setting up a regular course for studying the AFIADL 13 material for anyone interested. My thought is to maybe have one day a month to study one of the modules, so that every four months the entire course is covered.

It would not be restricted to those enrolled in the course, although they would have priority in seating. Others could also benefit from the material, either as new members or for a refresher.

I'm also going to put out feelers to see if there is any interest in the wing for this sort of thing.

MattPHS2002 · January 29, 2007, 05:14:11 PM

I would support a class room style 0013, seeing as I'm one of those folks that just doesn't have the motivation to sit here and read the stuff on my own when there are a million other things I'd rather do, whereas with a class it could be done in a day or at least a few weeks.

MajorSER · January 30, 2007, 05:43:59 AM

There are excellent AFIADL 00013 Course outlines in the National Best Practices.

Spogden · January 31, 2007, 07:10:59 PM

Maj Ogden did something similar with a prior unit of his and had planned to do the same in the Utah Wing before our relocation. I for one, prefer a classroom style review before any major test, but especially subjects that i'm not particularly well versed.

I would be interested in assisting with creating such review session.

davedove · January 31, 2007, 08:23:15 PM

Quote from: MajorSER on January 30, 2007, 05:43:59 AM
There are excellent AFIADL 00013 Course outlines in the National Best Practices.

Those outlines are great, and I am incorporating some of them into any class I create.

Quote from: Spogden on January 31, 2007, 07:10:59 PM
Maj Ogden did something similar with a prior unit of his and had planned to do the same in the Utah Wing before our relocation. I for one, prefer a classroom style review before any major test, but especially subjects that i'm not particularly well versed.

I would be interested in assisting with creating such review session.

Do you have any ideas? I have some thoughts on Power Point presentations, but I would hate to subject any students to "Death by Power Point."

dogden · January 31, 2007, 08:31:34 PM

I found that if you have a group of 8-10 pretty much every area is covered by someone who felt comfortable and knowledgable with it. As a "director" I pretty much facilitated the conversations and kept them from moving to hangar flying. Also as the one running the study session you need to be comfortable with all of the materials in case you have a smaller class than anticipated or an area that no one feels comfortable with.

Spogden · January 31, 2007, 08:35:45 PM

I think assigning each attendee "homework" prior to class would be ideal. Like said SM1 has to read, review and do the questions for Chapter 1. Then SM2 does Ch2, etc. Everyone should be responsible for reading the entire matrial but really focus on their specific area. Each person would be responsible for creating an interactive way of relaying this information to the class. Then come together and give their presentation along with the answers.

After all presentations, I think a Trivia game would be fun. Kind of like creating a Jeopardy for AFIADL 13.

Chapter outlines with said answers would be very beneficial

Just a thought.

dogden · January 31, 2007, 08:41:54 PM

OOOOHHHHH can I be Alex Trebek

oh wait im not Canadian $:-\$

Spogden · January 31, 2007, 08:44:15 PM

Quote from: dogden on January 31, 2007, 08:41:54 PM
OOOOHHHHH can I be Alex Trebek

oh wait im not Canadian $:-\$

Um no, eh!?

RogueLeader · February 06, 2007, 04:19:50 PM

I'm currently enrolled in the 00013 course right now, and most of it has been a review for me, I'm a huge AIR POWER man myself, but it just mentioned everything I've already learned in CAP or my College classes. For the SLS, it's important to know, but the presenters need to come up with either their own slides or be able to rise above corprates.

Bluelakes 13 · February 06, 2007, 04:40:45 PM

Having taken two AFIADL tests, I can say that they defintiely need to be re-written. As long as you know the answers to the questions after each section, you'll be fine. As a teacher, you can concentrate on those questions. Unfortunately some of the questions are ambiguous, but that's why passing isn't 85%!

But PLEASE make study sessions interactive, no Powerpoint! One who has gone through SLS/CLC/RSC, reading Powerpoint slides should be outlawed. Unfortunately we are stuck with whoever volunteers to present. Some are good, some not so good. Some topics can be totally bland (Finance, Legal, AE) and the same material at each level. It takes a good presenter to make a session interactive while still covering the material.

dogden · February 06, 2007, 04:42:03 PM

The SLS and CLC and I would guess any of the "out of the box" PD courses, the materials are horribly out of date. I always told my instructors to make their own materials or modify the existing materials to get their presentations ready. I didn't accept an instructor who I knew wasn't going to be prepaired.

I took the AFIADL 00013 about 4 years ago and those materials were useful but in need of an update as well. I will be attending the RSC this summer and I hope to see updated materials being used for that course. I heard that our national vice commander is working on updating all of these PD materials but I had also heard that they were going to be in the field last October.

RogueLeader · February 12, 2007, 09:52:51 PM

Quote from: jkalemis on February 06, 2007, 04:40:45 PM
But PLEASE make study sessions interactive, no Powerpoint! One who has gone through SLS/CLC/RSC, reading Powerpoint slides should be outlawed. Unfortunately we are stuck with whoever volunteers to present. Some are good, some not so good. Some topics can be totally bland (Finance, Legal, AE) and the same material at each level. It takes a good presenter to make a session interactive while still covering the material.

Just as a note, PowerPoint was not designed to be read, it was designed to put up the pertinant facts as the foucus- hence the name "PowerPoint" If it was meant to be read aloud verbatum, it would be labeled along the following: PrettyBoringWordsToPutYouToSleep
JMHO

Hawk200 · February 14, 2007, 08:33:14 PM

Quote from: RogueLeader on February 12, 2007, 09:52:51 PM
Just as a note, PowerPoint was not designed to be read, it was designed to put up the pertinant facts as the foucus- hence the name "PowerPoint" If it was meant to be read aloud verbatum, it would be labeled along the following: PrettyBoringWordsToPutYouToSleep

I can buy that....

CLB · February 15, 2007, 07:05:31 AM

I agree that they need to be re-written and brought up to date, as most of our tests do. They seem to focus only on the cadet tests and leave us officers in the dark reading and remembering material from 15 years ago.

Honestly, I thought the 00013 was a joke, and to be honest (I'll most likely be flamed for this), I'd say that at least 70% of the material on my particular test I learned and retained from AFJROTC in high school almost 10 years ago.

Now granted JROTC didn't cover anything CAP related, but there was enough AF material on mine to where I spent maybe 30 minutes taking and proof reading the test where I passed. I studied the material and found it very interesting and very applicable, but most of the small things I already knew. Just brushed up on the CAP regs and things and I did very well.

*Going to SLS next week as a matter of fact.

Lee Davis · February 17, 2007, 07:22:27 AM

Greetings, all.

Newbie to the forum, and just glad that I found it. I'm a 1LT who was eligible for Capt. some time ago, and allowed time to run out on my ECI13...sat out for a year...Got the course again, and I'm now in my 4 month extension.

Why?

Too many things to do, and not enough time. Also, even though a college graduate, I'm a terrrrribly slow reader. As I read along, I already know a lot of what I'm reading, and I'm wondering just HOW detailed into the minutia the test really is.

I guess I just need a kick in the 6, and to spend more time with the books and less on the internet, huh?

Semper Vigilans!

AlphaSigOU · February 17, 2007, 12:01:31 PM

Quote from: Lee Davis on February 17, 2007, 07:22:27 AM
Greetings, all.

Newbie to the forum, and just glad that I found it. I'm a 1LT who was eligible for Capt. some time ago, and allowed time to run out on my ECI13...sat out for a year...Got the course again, and I'm now in my 4 month extension.

Why?

Too many things to do, and not enough time. Also, even though a college graduate, I'm a terrrrribly slow reader. As I read along, I already know a lot of what I'm reading, and I'm wondering just HOW detailed into the minutia the test really is.

I guess I just need a kick in the 6, and to spend more time with the books and less on the internet, huh?

Semper Vigilans!

It's not that bad; if you at least study the VRE questions and are somewhat familiar with CAP and USAF you should be OK. All you need is a score of 65 to pass the course. I took my course exam somewhat 'cold' and got a 71. But at least it's outta the way.

If your extension runs out, you can't re-enroll in 00013 for six months.