New S/M, previos cadet

JCW0312 · November 15, 2007, 03:47:32 AM

I recently returned to CAP as a S/M after having been a cadet years and years ago. On the application I marked that I was a prior cadet, however I could not remember for the life of me where I was in acheivements. So I left that part blank. The sq I joined is the same composite sq I was in as a cadet. I told the sq leader that I could not remember my progress as a cadet and asked him if he might be able to look in the old filing cabinet and find out. He told me it's not important and just sent off the application without filling in that spot.

This wont hurt or delay my application, will it?

Eclipse · November 15, 2007, 04:30:49 AM

Its entirely likely you will get the same CAPID, and eServices will reflect any major achievements and awards.

RiverAux · November 15, 2007, 04:35:39 AM

I don't know, he said "years and years" ago. When I re-joined about 10 years ago NHQ apparently had nothing related to my cadet awards from the mid-1980s. I do wonder if they "park" expired members' electronic records somewhere so that reviving them wouldn't be a big deal upon re-joining?

Eclipse · November 15, 2007, 04:44:59 AM

Well, I know that recently several former members with CAP ID's in the 120xxx's have come back with their former numbers.

Cecil DP · November 15, 2007, 04:51:50 AM

If you had achived a "Milestone Award" they should have the record, otherwise it won't affect your membership.

arajca · November 15, 2007, 05:17:45 AM

You may have to have someone research the old CAP News archives. That was the only record National had of my Earhart. They accepted a copy of the list with my name circled as sufficient proof that I completed the Earhart.

Brad · November 15, 2007, 06:48:20 AM

We have a new SM who was a former Cadet back in the 60's then jumped over to SM until about the 70's. NHQ had no problem finding his stuff....but then again he did some work at Wing as the Comms Officer as a Capt.

JCW0312 · November 15, 2007, 09:05:43 AM

Well, I was a cadet in the mid-90's, so here's hoping. I dont recall what my CAPSN was and I don't remember "eservices". It must have come around after my days.

AlphaSigOU · November 15, 2007, 09:19:08 AM

Up until the 1990s, the CAPSN was the same as the social security number; those who chose not to use it (mainly cadets) had serial numbers that began with the year joined and a sequential number.

Some former members (like myself) who were on a long CAP hiatus (17 years for me) will probably not have any electronic records transferred over to eServices, unless you can back up the previous records with paper. The people at NHQ CAP unfortunately don't have the manpower to look through the archives.

JCW0312 · November 15, 2007, 11:24:00 AM

Thanks for the info. I guess I'll have to wait until I get something from HQ to know for sure. I dont remember if my CAPSN was my social or not.

Flying Pig · November 15, 2007, 04:43:42 PM

When I was a cadet the internet didnt even exist....

When I rejoined, all CAP had on me was that I had attended encampment. Forutunately I had photocopied my file once before I left for the Marines, and I later found my photocopied file in a box in my parents garage.

mikeylikey · November 15, 2007, 05:13:27 PM

Quote from: Flying Pig on November 15, 2007, 04:43:42 PM
When I was a cadet the internet didnt even exist....

When I rejoined, all CAP had on me was that I had attended encampment. Forutunately I had photocopied my file once before I left for the Marines, and I later found my photocopied file in a box in my parents garage.

Hahah.....NHQ still doesn't have my SLS, CLC, ENC, others on file. I recomend to everyone to keep a copy of all diplomas and certificates in a "ME FOLDER".

davedove · November 15, 2007, 05:15:25 PM

I don't know about cadets, but we just had a senior member rejoin who had been a member briefly over ten years ago. He was assigned his old number.

Psicorp · November 15, 2007, 05:49:42 PM

Quote from: JCW0312 on November 15, 2007, 11:24:00 AM
Thanks for the info. I guess I'll have to wait until I get something from HQ to know for sure. I dont remember if my CAPSN was my social or not.

My guess is probably. I was a Cadet from early '92 through the end of '97 and only got one of the current CAPIDs when I turned Senior in Dec of '97. Was a Senior for a year then let my membership lapse. After rejoining in '06, I found out that my CAPID from when I turned Senior was re-issued to me and all my Cadet milestone records were still in the system. Good luck!

JCW0312 · November 16, 2007, 01:52:00 AM

Well, here's hoping!

drcomm · November 16, 2007, 03:25:33 AM

I was a cadet from 1978-1986. I became a senior member in 2005 (19 year lapse). I had no copies of my previous records and my former squadron had destroyed the originals years ago. I was issued a new CAPID. My previous on was a 78xxxx number. I was able to contact national HQ and they had a record of my Mitchell Award and one of my encampments but that was all. So as far as national is concerned, I got a Mitchell in the 80's and an encampment in 79 but have only been a member for the last two years. The moral here is keep copies of all of your files and records. National's archives may have a few things but you are on your own for most of it.

JCW0312 · November 16, 2007, 03:39:28 AM

Quote from: drcomm on November 16, 2007, 03:25:33 AM
I was a cadet from 1978-1986. I became a senior member in 2005 (19 year lapse). I had no copies of my previous records and my former squadron had destroyed the originals years ago. I was issued a new CAPID. My previous on was a 78xxxx number. I was able to contact national HQ and they had a record of my Mitchell Award and one of my encampments but that was all. So as far as national is concerned, I got a Mitchell in the 80's and an encampment in 79 but have only been a member for the last two years. The moral here is keep copies of all of your files and records. National's archives may have a few things but you are on your own for most of it.

Lesson learned the hard way. It's tough to tell a teenager to "keep this in case you need it in the future". At the time, I had a hard time looking past the upcoming weekend!

JCW0312 · November 16, 2007, 03:40:01 AM

Actually, I still have a hard time looking past the upcoming weekend.

Pylon · November 16, 2007, 04:10:35 AM

Records at your old squadron will only be kept for 7 years. After that, they get destroyed.

National records are a different story, especially as mentioned above with reference to milestone awards. What time period were you a cadet? Did you achieve any milestone awards? If so, about when? I have some copies of CAP News that date back to 1997. There are a lot of resources here to help you with your membership renewal; we just need a bit more info.

MIKE · November 16, 2007, 03:24:26 PM

Actually I think its five years until records are to be destroyed if not requested.

JCW0312 · November 17, 2007, 01:40:13 AM

Quote from: Pylon on November 16, 2007, 04:10:35 AM
Records at your old squadron will only be kept for 7 years. After that, they get destroyed.

National records are a different story, especially as mentioned above with reference to milestone awards. What time period were you a cadet? Did you achieve any milestone awards? If so, about when? I have some copies of CAP News that date back to 1997. There are a lot of resources here to help you with your membership renewal; we just need a bit more info.

Unfortunately, I really cannot remember. I'm thinking I was out of CAP by 1997, but if not it was right around then. I guess I'll wait until NHQ approves me and see what I can see in eservices. Thanks.

JCW0312 · November 22, 2007, 04:59:54 AM

An update on my situation...

I still haven't received anything in the mail from NHQ, but my squadron commander told me that I was now showing up on e-services. So, I signed up for my e-services account and saw that I was reissued my old number (254XXX), found out that I originally joined in 1998 (later than I thought it was). Apparently I did not reach a milestone award as it is not reflected on e-services. Thanks to all for the help.

RiverAux · November 22, 2007, 01:43:35 PM

One of the things the NEC discussed at their last meeting was "ownership" of personnel records. Basically, the records belong to CAP and not you, so if you transfer squadrons or leave CAP with the thought of maybe coming back some day, make sure to copy them since you won't be able to take the originals with you.

davedove · December 19, 2007, 02:15:41 PM

Quote from: RiverAux on November 22, 2007, 01:43:35 PM
One of the things the NEC discussed at their last meeting was "ownership" of personnel records. Basically, the records belong to CAP and not you, so if you transfer squadrons or leave CAP with the thought of maybe coming back some day, make sure to copy them since you won't be able to take the originals with you.

It's always a good idea to have your own personal copy of your records anyway. One never knows when the copies at a squadron might be lost/destroyed/etc.