BDU Cover/Headgear Rank

[Eclipse]

Since if it is sewn on as is pictured, the only way anyone will see your cap rank will be if you are a midget.  The visor will hide the device.  Also, in the picture, the whole thing looks foreign.  Sort of Eastern European or Balkan in style.

I disagree (big surprise).

Mine are sewn 1/2 inch from the edge of the insignia, not the blue, and they look fine.

There are actually two sizes of BDU hats, a lower profile and a higher profile (I have no idea where the distinction is made as I have the same size in both styles).

The lower profile hat looks fine, the higher a bit Castro-esque, but neither is so bad as to be unacceptable.
Since most people do not suffer from the gigantism I do, the insignia is not hidden.

[Stonewall]

I'm sure some will argue that this is wrong, but here's mine.  I think it looks pretty good.

[mikeylikey]

^ Sexy! 

[LittleIronPilot]

Who knows, I wear a beret 

Don't get me started on berets.

There is only one use for the beret, and it's not for headcover!!!

Hey I EARNED by beret [darnit], well my Airborne one anyways!

[Eclipse]

I'm sure some will argue that this is wrong, but here's mine.  I think it looks pretty good.

Looks about right to me - 1/2 inch up >and< centered.

[Stonewall]

Looks about right to me - 1/2 inch up >and< centered.

You know, I didn't follow any regs for sewing it on.  I figured only common sense would prevail so I pretty much centered it up, down, right, left.

There is only one use for the beret, and it's not for headcover!!!

Hey I EARNED by beret [darnit], well my Airborne one anyways!

But I probably need to downsize the blue border and lower it a little so I can put my white/blue airborne tab above the rank...

[AlphaSigOU]

Zo, Kapitan... You zink you can trifle vit der CAP Uniform Edicts?

Off to der Kamp vit you!

(Sound of European hi-lo siren fading into the dark, lifeless streets)

Oh, no!  I hope you didn't send me to the Klink! 

14 days in ze cooler!

[Pylon]

So if we were to have the reg "altered" or "clarified" in any coming revisions, what would be the best way to write the part for positioning of the embroidered insignia on the BDU cap?  What's the best method?  Centered vertically and horizontally? 

[MIKE]

3. Officers wear the regular size cloth {snipped} grade insignia on the BDU cap. Grade
insignia will be centered vertically and horizontally. Colonel grade insignia is worn with the
eagle's beak pointed towards the wearer's right shoulder (indicates the eagle is facing forward). {snipped}
NOTE: Chaplains may wear {Add: regular size cloth} chaplains' insignia centered 1/2
inch above visor of BDU cap. {snipped}

[mikeylikey]

Grade insignia (religious insignia for chaplains) is centered on the front of the headgear left to right, and top to bottom; no other insignia is worn on the headgear.

Simple.

[Pylon]

MIKE and Mikey thanks. 

So what if the manual was rewritten using the basis of the quote MIKE pulled from the AFI, but adding the 1/8" border of ultramarine around the grade insignia requirement?   We would also further explain that there'd be no insignia worn for Senior Members without grade.

I think it'd be a lot easier to understand, to comply with, and would (likely more often than the current setup) look good.

[mikeylikey]

^ Coolness.  Your right on. 

[SAR-EMT1]

Grade insignia (religious insignia for chaplains) is centered on the front of the headgear left to right, and top to bottom; no other insignia is worn on the headgear.
SMWOG and cadet enlisted wear nothing

Simple.

bold, my own addition

[SJFedor]

Grade insignia (religious insignia for chaplains) is centered on the front of the headgear left to right, and top to bottom; no other insignia is worn on the headgear.
SMWOG and cadet enlisted wear nothing

Simple.

bold, my own addition

SMWOG and cadet enlisted NCOs wear nothing

[RogueLeader]

Grade insignia (religious insignia for chaplains) is centered on the front of the headgear left to right, and top to bottom; no other insignia is worn on the headgear.
SMWOG and cadet enlisted wear nothing

Simple.

bold, my own addition

SMWOG and cadet enlisted NCOs wear nothing

So C/ab-SrA can?

[Pylon]

Grade insignia (religious insignia for chaplains) is centered on the front of the headgear left to right, and top to bottom; no other insignia is worn on the headgear.
SMWOG and cadet enlisted wear nothing

Simple.

bold, my own addition

SMWOG and cadet enlisted NCOs wear nothing

CAPM 39-1, 1-3, defines cadets from grade C/AB to C/CMSgt as Airmen.  Since that's how the uniform manual defines them, for purposes of the uniform manual, that's the language that will be used.  Not enlisted or NCO.  Saves the debate. 

[G+10]

Grade insignia (religious insignia for chaplains) is centered on the front of the headgear left to right, and top to bottom; no other insignia is worn on the headgear.
SMWOG and cadet enlisted wear nothing

Simple.

bold, my own addition

SMWOG and cadet enlisted NCOs wear nothing

CAPM 39-1, 1-3, defines cadets from grade C/AB to C/CMSgt as Airmen.  Since that's how the uniform manual defines them, for purposes of the uniform manual, that's the language that will be used.  Not enlisted or NCO.  Saves the debate. 

May I suggest you then change it to:

SMWOG and cadet airmen wear no hat insignia

You don't want that other sound bite hanging out there... 

[Gunner C]

But I'm sure they don't want NCOs wearing anything on their hats, either (non-cadet NCOs, that is)

GC

[Hawk200]

But I'm sure they don't want NCOs wearing anything on their hats, either (non-cadet NCOs, that is)

GC

One more try them: Senior Members without grade, Senior Member NCOs, and cadet airman and NCOs do not wear rank insignia on headgear

Does that work?

[Gunner C]

But I'm sure they don't want NCOs wearing anything on their hats, either (non-cadet NCOs, that is)

GC

One more try them: Senior Members without grade, Senior Member NCOs, and cadet airman and NCOs do not wear rank insignia on headgear

Does that work?

It's all good for me . . .