BDU Cover/Headgear Rank

Started by JRESO, October 29, 2007, 10:47:58 PM

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JRESO

Been MIA from CAP for a while, ran across a picture on this site showing two Officers with rank on their BDU covers. Is this allowed? Sorry if this is a ,"duh!", question.

Thanks for the info!

MIKE

Authorized by ICL on 20 Nov 2006.  Stated mandatory wear date was 1 May 2007.
Mike Johnston

JohnKachenmeister

Welcome home!

Yes. 

On the BDU cap you are authorized sew-on bright rank insignia on the ultramarine blue background.  Same as on the collar.  1/2 inch up from the visor.

On the BBDU you may wear EITHER sew-on rank or metal rank on the blue patrol cap.

No changes on the flight cap, or more accurately, no changes anymore.
Another former CAP officer

JRESO

Thanks! Sorry about posting in ES thought I was in Uniforms. Thanks again.

MIKE

Quote from: JohnKachenmeister on October 29, 2007, 11:01:23 PMOn the BDU cap you are   1/2 inch up from the visor.

ICL just says centered, so it would be just as correct to center the cloth officer grade insignia vertically and horizontally as per AFI 36-2903.  >:D  Blue BDU caps and cadet officer cloth grade insignia not withstanding.
Mike Johnston

Brad

Quote from: MIKE on October 29, 2007, 11:08:02 PM
Quote from: JohnKachenmeister on October 29, 2007, 11:01:23 PMOn the BDU cap you are   1/2 inch up from the visor.

ICL just says centered, so it would be just as correct to center the cloth officer grade insignia vertically and horizontally as per AFI 36-2903.  >:D  Blue BDU caps and cadet officer cloth grade insignia not withstanding.

Quoted from the ICL, just under the reference picture
Quote(Worn centered ½ inch above the brim)

Sorry to burst your bubble.
Brad Lee
Maj, CAP
Assistant Deputy Chief of Staff, Communications
Mid-Atlantic Region
K4RMN

MIKE

Mike Johnston

Brad

Well to be quite honest, I'm with you, Captain. I think the insignia looks better centered than it does worn 1/2" up from the brim.
Brad Lee
Maj, CAP
Assistant Deputy Chief of Staff, Communications
Mid-Atlantic Region
K4RMN

Becks


BBATW

SJFedor


Steven Fedor, NREMT-P
Master Ambulance Driver
Former Capt, MP, MCPE, MO, MS, GTL, and various other 3-and-4 letter combinations
NESA MAS Instructor, 2008-2010 (#479)

Short Field

Sew-on rank on the BBDU cover also crosses a seam and makes for a tougher sewing job.
SAR/DR MP, ARCHOP, AOBD, GTM1, GBD, LSC, FASC, LO, PIO, MSO(T), & IC2
Wilson #2640

Cecil DP

Quote from: SJFedor on October 30, 2007, 12:24:52 AM
Quote from: Becks on October 30, 2007, 12:20:56 AM
Who knows, I wear a beret  ;)

Don't get me started on berets.

There is only one use for the beret, and it's not for headcover!!!
Michael P. McEleney
LtCol CAP
MSG  USA Retired
GRW#436 Feb 85

SarDragon

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Quote from: Cecil DP on October 30, 2007, 04:34:57 AM
Quote from: SJFedor on October 30, 2007, 12:24:52 AM
Quote from: Becks on October 30, 2007, 12:20:56 AM
Who knows, I wear a beret  ;)

Don't get me started on berets.

There is only one use for the beret, and it's not for headcover!!!

But then you need two - one to fill, and one to cover the first one.   >:D
Dave Bowles
Maj, CAP
AT1, USN Retired
50 Year Member
Mitchell Award (unnumbered)
C/WO, CAP, Ret

JohnKachenmeister

The CAP letter of instruction said "1/2 inch above the visor," but did not specify if that was center-of-mass, bottom edge of the insignia, or bottom edge of the blue field.  When I put mine on, I noticed that if the bottom edge of the blue patch was resting on the reinforced sweatband, that the blue field is 1/2 inch above the visor, and the insignia itself is centered. It looks nice, and is more consistent with the AFI than that which is shown in the photo on the CAP web site.

Now that I have explained my interpretation of the regulation, I suppose the "Uniform Nazis" will come to my house in the middle of the night and drag me away.
Another former CAP officer

Fifinella

With a wanton lack of attention to the CAP regs, I just took my BDU cap & rank to the AFB tailor shop where they sewed it on just like they do the AF ones.  <gasp>  So mine looks like everyone else's on base, except brighter.  ;D
Judy LaValley, Maj, CAP
Asst. DCP, LAWG
SWR-LA-001
GRW #2753

JohnKachenmeister

Quote from: Fifinella on October 30, 2007, 03:10:31 PM
With a wanton lack of attention to the CAP regs, I just took my BDU cap & rank to the AFB tailor shop where they sewed it on just like they do the AF ones.  <gasp>  So mine looks like everyone else's on base, except brighter.  ;D

Zo, Kapitan... You zink you can trifle vit der CAP Uniform Edicts?

Off to der Kamp vit you!

(Sound of European hi-lo siren fading into the dark, lifeless streets)
Another former CAP officer

Cecil DP

Quote from: Fifinella on October 30, 2007, 03:10:31 PM
With a wanton lack of attention to the CAP regs, I just took my BDU cap & rank to the AFB tailor shop where they sewed it on just like they do the AF ones.  <gasp>  So mine looks like everyone else's on base, except brighter.  ;D

Ditto
Michael P. McEleney
LtCol CAP
MSG  USA Retired
GRW#436 Feb 85

Fifinella

Quote from: JohnKachenmeister on October 30, 2007, 07:34:59 PM
Zo, Kapitan... You zink you can trifle vit der CAP Uniform Edicts?

Off to der Kamp vit you!

(Sound of European hi-lo siren fading into the dark, lifeless streets)
Oh, no!  I hope you didn't send me to the Klink!  ;)
Judy LaValley, Maj, CAP
Asst. DCP, LAWG
SWR-LA-001
GRW #2753

Eclipse

Quote from: JohnKachenmeister on October 30, 2007, 01:26:33 PM
The CAP letter of instruction said "1/2 inch above the visor," but did not specify if that was center-of-mass, bottom edge of the insignia, or bottom edge of the blue field.  When I put mine on, I noticed that if the bottom edge of the blue patch was resting on the reinforced sweatband, that the blue field is 1/2 inch above the visor, and the insignia itself is centered. It looks nice, and is more consistent with the AFI than that which is shown in the photo on the CAP web site.

Now that I have explained my interpretation of the regulation, I suppose the "Uniform Nazis" will come to my house in the middle of the night and drag me away.

Except that why would this be the only time a CAP insignia is measured from the blue instead of the white?

"That Others May Zoom"

JohnKachenmeister

Since if it is sewn on as is pictured, the only way anyone will see your cap rank will be if you are a midget.  The visor will hide the device.  Also, in the picture, the whole thing looks foreign.  Sort of Eastern European or Balkan in style.
Another former CAP officer