red propeller

[Spike]

Does anyone have a good historical text or paragraph on the red CAP Propeller insignia?  Could anyone inform me on its use in the past and why?   

[PhoenixRisen]

This doesn't contain much info, but this is on NHQ's website:

http://history.nhq.cap.gov/historical_civil_air_patrol_airc.htm

[Major Carrales]

Does anyone have a good historical text or paragraph on the red CAP Propeller insignia?  Could anyone inform me on its use in the past and why?   

It harkens back to the old "CD" civil defense signage of WWII and the early cold war.  It was a RED "CD" centered in a white triangle, over a blue circle.

Here are some "sister" emblems of CAP's WWII heritage...
http://www.legeros.com/essays/cd/images/Image1459.gif

[James Shaw]

Does anyone have a good historical text or paragraph on the red CAP Propeller insignia?  Could anyone inform me on its use in the past and why?   

It harkens back to the old "CD" civil defense signage of WWII and the early cold war.  It was a RED "CD" centered in a white triangle, over a blue circle.

Here are some "sister" emblems of CAP's WWII heritage...
http://www.legeros.com/essays/cd/images/Image1459.gif

It was removed fromn the triangle for the Coastal Patrol Planes. They were concerned with the red being confused with Japanese Aircraft.

[Eclipse]

[ol'fido]

Could be revived as the logo for CAP NLO. You know.....

Cease and Desist

Sidebar: Not likin' this new fangled format too much.

[O-Rex]

What to all of you think about the new 'corporate' prop & triangle?

Is it me, or does it look like a move to de-militarize CAP's image??

I don't like it.

[High Speed Low Drag]

What to all of you think about the new 'corporate' prop & triangle?

Is it me, or does it look like a move to de-militarize CAP's image??

I don't like it.

What does it look like?

[RiverAux]

Look in the top left corner of the cover of the Volunteer where the "o" should be.

[Eclipse]

[AlphaSigOU]

Could they be a little less redundant and get rid of the 'Civil Air Patrol' title above the Volunteer logo? It's already in the prop logo.

[lordmonar]

No....

The title of the publication is the "Civil Air Patrol Volunteer"......not the "V (Civil Air Patrol) lunteer".

[Smithsonia]

In case this has been missed. Military unit badges are most often circles. See here:
http://www.priorservice.com/milpat.html


Police/Law Enforcements unit badges are shields (modified Triangles) - CAP is going to more shields and fewer circles. http://www.vanguardmil.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=6_390_402_404

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

What to all of you think about the new 'corporate' prop & triangle?

Is it me, or does it look like a move to de-militarize CAP's image??

I don't like it.

I'm not particularly fond of it either...but I don't think it's a move to "de-militarise" CAP's image, since we've had the red prop about as long as we've been CAP.

Is the CD insignia even used anymore?  When I was a kid sometimes it was shown on TV during EBS tests.  I even remember seeing a variation of it with an inverted triangle.

[AlphaSigOU]

If I remember correctly, the CD symbol was quietly retired a couple of years ago... let me doublecheck.

[AlphaSigOU]

Here we is...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_defense - the description of the CD logo points to 'Comprehensive Emergency Management'.

[PhoenixRisen]

In case this has been missed. Military unit badges are most often circles. See here:
http://www.priorservice.com/milpat.html

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In the case of the Army, I wouldn't necessarly say that.  What I see on that page are images of the actual patches (tons of various sizes) placed on a circular (unofficial) patch, with, say, a branch insignia added.  There are a few actual patches (official) that are round, but I wouldn't say they're mostly circles.

http://www.armydecals.com/uardipa.html

...Just sayin'. 

[PhoenixRisen]

This is from the CAP Knowledgebase:

"From the National Museum of the Civil Air Patrol, CAP's insignia illustrated its original connection with Civil Defense. The standard CD insignia (blue circle, white triangle) was modified with symbols for scores of functions... air raid wardens, ground spotters, etc. For CAP, a red propeller appeared inside the triangle.

The first Civil Air Patrol shoulder sleeve insignia, designed by the Office of the Quartermaster General, War Department, was authorized for wear by CAP non-commissioned officers on February 13, 1942.   Evoking the basic Civil Defense emblem of a white triangle inside a 3" blue disk, a unique red three-blade propeller was added to the center of the patch, worn on left sleeve of the Army Air Corps uniform, one-half inch below the shoulder seam. The same patch was also authorized for commissioned officers two months later."

[Hawk200]

In case this has been missed. Military unit badges are most often circles. See here:
http://www.priorservice.com/milpat.html

The patches listed on that page are novelty patches, and not a single one on that page would be authorized for wear on any uniform in the US military.

Air Force squadron patches are required to be round, and may have up to two half inch tabs (or rockers, if you wish). But this heraldry requirement is specific to the Air Force, not to the military in general.

Army organizational insignia tend to have a common shape for each branch, but I don't know of any that are round. Some morale patches that are unofficially worn on Army flight uniforms are, but not a majority of them.

Most Marine Corps official insignia patches (such as worn on flightsuits) aren't either. Can't say too much about the Navy in general, I've seen very few of their uniforms, but from what I have seen, those weren't round either.

As to Coast Guard, can't say much. Haven't seen any of their uniforms in person that had unit patches.

[SarDragon]

Most Navy squadron patches are round. Ship patches vary. Shore stations and headquarters type commands are primarily triangular. Some older irregular shapes are grandfathered.