Poll
Question:
What part are you doing
Option 1: Basic GSAR
votes: 5
Option 2: Advnaced GSAR
votes: 4
Option 3: First Responder
votes: 0
Option 4: ICS
votes: 2
Option 5: Advanced ICS
votes: 2
Option 6: Team Leader
votes: 3
Option 7: Mission AirCrew
votes: 11
For all those going to NESA wondering what track people are doing?
I plan to come back as an MAS instructor in 08, hope to see some familar names and faces!
So not many people going to NESA? Or are people still deciding?
I'd love to go. It's all about getting the $$$ to go.
I'd love to go for MAS but I'm not sure if I can get my scanner training done by next summer. One major issue is that I won't be 18 'til next spring.
Fedor is requiring me to go to MAS, I understand.
Quote from: CASH172 on October 15, 2007, 09:01:33 PM
I'd love to go for MAS but I'm not sure if I can get my scanner training done by next summer. One major issue is that I won't be 18 'til next spring.
Do your best to get it done as soon as you turn 18. Get your Prep and Fam done ASAP after your birthday, and make yourself available to the point of annoyance to anyone who is planning an exercise.
MAS reviews MS and requires everyone to do an MS ride, regardless.
Quote from: JC004 on October 15, 2007, 10:44:31 PM
Fedor is requiring me to go to MAS, I understand.
Not requiring, ordering.
Friggin' 1st Lt's >:D
Quote from: SJFedor on October 16, 2007, 02:21:03 AM
Do your best to get it done as soon as you turn 18. Get your Prep and Fam done ASAP after your birthday, and make yourself available to the point of annoyance to anyone who is planning an exercise.
MAS reviews MS and requires everyone to do an MS ride, regardless.
So wait, say if I'm like almost 90% done with MS. Could I still go to MAS and finish the stuff and get one more MS ride if I need it.
Quote from: CASH172 on October 16, 2007, 02:37:22 AM
Quote from: SJFedor on October 16, 2007, 02:21:03 AM
Do your best to get it done as soon as you turn 18. Get your Prep and Fam done ASAP after your birthday, and make yourself available to the point of annoyance to anyone who is planning an exercise.
MAS reviews MS and requires everyone to do an MS ride, regardless.
So wait, say if I'm like almost 90% done with MS. Could I still go to MAS and finish the stuff and get one more MS ride if I need it.
You have to have MS to even go. So just get the early part of training done now and just do the SAREXes once you hit 18.
Quote from: NERMA002 Safety on October 16, 2007, 02:51:48 PM
Quote from: CASH172 on October 16, 2007, 02:37:22 AM
Quote from: SJFedor on October 16, 2007, 02:21:03 AM
Do your best to get it done as soon as you turn 18. Get your Prep and Fam done ASAP after your birthday, and make yourself available to the point of annoyance to anyone who is planning an exercise.
MAS reviews MS and requires everyone to do an MS ride, regardless.
So wait, say if I'm like almost 90% done with MS. Could I still go to MAS and finish the stuff and get one more MS ride if I need it.
You have to have MS to even go. So just get the early part of training done now and just do the SAREXes once you hit 18.
Nope. Prerequisites for SQTR issuance, before you can even start prep and fam, is to be at least 18 years of age. He cannot start the prep and fam, and have it count, until on or after his 18th birthday. He can, however, study the tasks required and be prepared to demonstrate them on that time.
They do say it's required for you to be there, that's mainly because they had to shave a day off of the training. It used to be that you could go with GES only and come out with MS and MO, but they lost a day. So now they require you to have it, and will go over all the material from MS the first day, since, even though everyone should have it, they assume no training, and rebuild you from scratch. The first flight they stick the MO candidate in the right seat, and the MP candidate in the back. They joke that it is so the MP candidate will remember to "center the ball" since the MPI will be back there during all their training, and it's not nice to make your instructor sick. They had me sketch a fuel farm south of Columbus, track and record position on the sectional, etc, just to make sure I really did know what I was doing. The 2nd ride puts the MO candidate in the back, the MP candidate in the front left, and the MPI in the right seat. This is mainly so that the MPI can feel comfortable with the skills of the MP candidate, cuz once the MPI is in the back, there's not a lot of interjection he can provide as far as flying goes. And, I'm told, every year there's at least 1 or two MP candidates that have to be switched to MO track because their basic flight skills are lacking and the MPI's don't feel comfortable enough with them flying.
All the scenario flights after that are in the standard crew configuration, with the MP candidate and the MO candidate up front, and the MPI in the back.
Has anyone sent in ther applications yet? All the stuff at the NESA website I've seen still has the 2007 information has the 2008 been released yet? Or do you get that once you make payment?
They do have the 08 dates posted, but they haven't changed everything that says 07 yet. My app is already in the box for MAS Staff.
How much use would NESA be to people already qualified in these specialties (and having done them under the current system)?
Depends. If your quals were pencil whipped and you barely know anything, it's worth a lot. If you worked hard and earned those quals, maybe not so much. That's where talking to the school commandants and trying to spread your knowledge by being a staff member comes into play.
As for MAS, since I'm not too up to speed on NGSAR (Kirt, where are you?!?!), MAS is trying to do an Advanced/Instructor course, designed for those who have the basics down, and want to learn more in depth special aircrew operations (SDIS troubleshooting, ARCHER stuff perhaps, etc) as well as ways to be an effective instructor.
Their ICS school is top notch though. Pete Norris from SER is the ICS school commandant and runs a basic and advanced school. Really good week of classroom training and practical application.
Really, NESA is a good place for the "n00bs" to start out and get fully indoctrinated rapidly. For the "old heads" out there, who are actually competent in their quals, it's a place where you can give some of that knowledge and experience back, by passing it down to said n00bs.
That's not to say someone qual'ed can't learn something. Probably 1/4 of my MAS class, MP track, were already rated MPs (myself included), some of which with 20+ years of experience. It's never too late to learn something new.
I'm planning on going MAS, as long as I can get the time off work. Why not, it's only an hour from home.
I'd like to staff GSAR again, just need to find out when my summer semester ends. :)
grrr... can't get the online app to work, anyone else having problems?
Edit: Don't know why I tried this but apparently the online app Hates Firefox, so I'm good now
So as far as the forms go can we just change them to reflect the 2008 dates?
I'm going for both weeks, one week to Advanced GSAR to get my GT1 and then I'm doing a week of MAS to get my MO. I've already got the time from work. Filled out the online paper form now I just have to send my payment in.
Sorry, NBB this year.....
Quote from: NERMA002 Safety on December 16, 2007, 06:38:12 PM
So as far as the forms go can we just change them to reflect the 2008 dates?
I'm going for both weeks, one week to Advanced GSAR to get my GT1 and then I'm doing a week of MAS to get my MO. I've already got the time from work. Filled out the online paper form now I just have to send my payment in.
You may wanna look at Team Leader instead of Advanced. Team Leader is more seniors, and, I believe, it'll earn you GTM2, GTM1, UDF, and GTL.
As far as forms go (Camp Atterbury Hold Harmless, etc etc), they won't start asking for that till later, and you just fax it to the contact for that info. You should be able to do your payment online as well.
Quote from: SJFedor on December 17, 2007, 08:45:10 AM
Quote from: NERMA002 Safety on December 16, 2007, 06:38:12 PM
So as far as the forms go can we just change them to reflect the 2008 dates?
I'm going for both weeks, one week to Advanced GSAR to get my GT1 and then I'm doing a week of MAS to get my MO. I've already got the time from work. Filled out the online paper form now I just have to send my payment in.
You may wanna look at Team Leader instead of Advanced. Team Leader is more seniors, and, I believe, it'll earn you GTM2, GTM1, UDF, and GTL.
The TL school is only there to train in GTL. GTM 2 and 1 require four more tasks, which can be completed if the CTA/FTA is willing to sign off, but GTM 2/1 are not a goal of the school.
Quote from: SJFedor on December 17, 2007, 08:45:10 AM
Quote from: NERMA002 Safety on December 16, 2007, 06:38:12 PM
So as far as the forms go can we just change them to reflect the 2008 dates?
I'm going for both weeks, one week to Advanced GSAR to get my GT1 and then I'm doing a week of MAS to get my MO. I've already got the time from work. Filled out the online paper form now I just have to send my payment in.
You may wanna look at Team Leader instead of Advanced. Team Leader is more seniors, and, I believe, it'll earn you GTM2, GTM1, UDF, and GTL.
I'd love to to the GTL school too but I'd have to opt out of MAS if I do that. They're both being taught the same week. I can do the last few tasks when I get back or I could get them done before I go down so that I still get both my GTM1 and my GTL.
I'm hoping to get my GTM3 done within a few months and go to NESA for GTM 2/1.
Question for all those that have been: what's a good benchmark for the "physically fit" req? I'm wokring on getting in better shape, but a defined goal would help.
I see 10 people are saying they're going to Aircrew school. That's freakin awesome! We'll need to get a special CAPTalk morale patch made or something....
Quote from: SJFedor on December 18, 2007, 10:57:49 PM
I see 10 people are saying they're going to Aircrew school. That's freakin awesome! We'll need to get a special CAPTalk morale patch made or something....
Sign me up, I have no qualms with ripping a pocket flap off my brand new zoom bag
Now that I go looking of course the Aux on/off patches are all gone... anyone have one they want to part with?
Quote from: Walkman on December 18, 2007, 09:48:02 PM
I'm hoping to get my GTM3 done within a few months and go to NESA for GTM 2/1.
Question for all those that have been: what's a good benchmark for the "physically fit" req? I'm wokring on getting in better shape, but a defined goal would help.
We're pretty lax at GSAR. The most you'll do in Advanced GSAR that is "physically demanding" would be: walking several miles in the woods with 24 hour gear, going on maybe 5 hours of sleep per night, and a few days out of the week you'll be sitting in lectures all day.
There's no morning PT, no running, and unless there is a major vehicle shortage - your 72 hour gear will be driven to the bivouac site.
So that's pretty much it; walking, little sleep, and expect to drink upwards of 5+ quarts of water per day. We're very big on hydration at GSAR, depending on the temperature and if you're in the field, you should be drinking one (1) quart of water per hour. When the temperature is low, or if you're in a classroom environment, the consumption rate will drop to 1/2 - 3/4 of a quart per hour.
Anything else?
1/2-3/4 quarts of water per hour while sitting in a classroom? Can you set a powerpoint projector up in a sauna or what?
They have evacuation tubes set up >:D
They make you chug so much in the classrooms so the First Responder students and local nursing students can get experience inserting catheters :o
I always took a brand new bottle of water before I stepped to the aircraft at NESA (of course, after draining the personal on board tank) and made sure I drank it all before we landed. It gets HAWT up in those birds. Indiana summers are brutal.
Quote from: RiverAux on December 19, 2007, 03:32:09 AM
1/2-3/4 quarts of water per hour while sitting in a classroom? Can you set a powerpoint projector up in a sauna or what?
The temperature varies at NESA. The average temperature is pushing 90 if not over. Now group 40-60 people in a not-so-well ventilated room, and the temperature in the room continues to climb. Based on the color of the weather "flag", people are to drink anywhere from 1/2 quart of water an hour to 1 quart of water an hour.
Ensuring all drink 1/2 - 3/4 in a classroom is very much a preventative measure. It's much smarter to go into the field hydrated and ready to work, than dehydrated and ready to collapse. Heat injuries are a serious thing. I had one cadet under me collapse in the field from heat exhaustion, and she had been drinking the same amount as everyone else in my team -- some people just need more to drink than others (I believe Lt Col Bowden has his own story of this).
A few years ago one girl decided it would be smart to start the Land Nav course after an hour of NOT drinking any water. An hour into the 30 minute - 4 leg course, she'd not yet found her first point. About 10 minutes later she was brought to me, (sitting at the furthest away/hardest to get to point) going into heat stroke. I Had her drink a quart of water on the spot; removed her gear, boots, blouse and dumped my water over her. Another 10 minutes pass and the medic arrives. We carried her down to a stretcher and into a truck.
At the end of the week during our school wide exercise, we'd been in the field for 2-3 hours, all were low on water, and it was getting late. Based on the time constraints of getting to a water point and back to our operating area, a few team leaders and I decided we would end our assignments and proceed to a road for transport home. As we began to move, I saw a cadet out of breath and pale -- we'd been standing around for over 5 minutes, no reason to be out of breath. I checked his skin and he was cool, checked his canteens and they were both full (he was in heat exhaustion). This cadet was the brother of the girl I'd carried out of the land nav course earlier in the week. -- Some people are just born stupid.
Hydration is a very serious thing to us at GSAR, we drill it into our students minds each and every day to prevent incidents like I've described above. At the ICSS however, they have other considerations to keep in mind -- Hypothermia for one. ;D
Quote from: SJFedor on December 22, 2007, 09:26:54 AM
Indiana summers are brutal.
Oh yeah. I lived in that area for many years. The humidity sucks!
Living in a swamp that hits 105 on a regular basis in the Summer makes me wonder if y'all have any idea what real heat/humidity is like LOL
Would love to do NESA this year, but we'll be on our bike ride. Maybe next.
Payment sent in. Yay, now I just wait for all the approvals.
For anyone who's been to NESA's Advanced GSAR which sort of tent is prefered? A 2 season or a 4 season? I've already got a 2 season but want to find out if I should start shopping for a 4 season.
Quote from: NERMA002 Safety on December 24, 2007, 03:23:53 PM
For anyone who's been to NESA's Advanced GSAR which sort of tent is prefered?
My first SAREX, the LT told me that tent were "weak sauce". :)
I've been thinking about only having a large tarp and 550 cord to make a tent in my pack. Would that work for NESA?
From what I have read I'm not sure. I think actual tent is at least for Advanced GSAR as they said a vehichle will be used to carry the 72 hour gear while team members carry their 24 gear.
What's on the packing list is not necessarily what you should bring. If you have a GT handbook, make sure you have every item on page O-0001 -- both 24, 72, and GTL gear.
Every person who brings a tent will get a very weird look from the staff, one of the tasks is "Set up a shelter". You'll do this task by making a shelter with either a tarp or spare poncho, and sleeping under it. The tent will just be extra weight you'll be carrying. Two 5x8 tarps would be good to bring, as one can be used for a ground cover.
Also, a military E-tool is what you should bring, not a walmart brand. The cheap one from walmart will bend and be worthless the second you try to clear the brush.
Nick Horn,
GSAR Staff 2002-2007
Nick what about on the 72 where it says tent. What type of tent is preferred to bring a 2 season or 4 seasson? I've got material for setting up a shelter.
When I went in 06, we didn't need a tent. We weren't tested if we have it, and I didn't even put one in my gear. I would never carry a tent out into the field, anyhow; I just have an extra poncho and some tent stakes.
That's the thing, a tent isn't preferred at GSAR. While you'll want a tent on a REDCAP, at GSAR the goal of the instructors is to ensure you know how to make a shelter. With that said, we're pretty lax about the standards of the shelter. I've seen 4 people make a group shelter, with all of the supplies be from 1 person and mostly constructed by that one person and all were signed off.
As long as you can go the 3-4 nights in the field, that's all we really care about. If you can get your hands on a shelter half, or another military poncho, you'll be good-to-go.
What if that poncho moonlights as a tent?
I have one of the gore-tex poncho's that is also a bivy shelter. Acceptable practice?
Is it your only poncho? If so, then no. Here's a break down of how a bivouac day in the basic school will go...
1130: Transport
1200: Lunch (MRE)
1230: Set up shelters
1300: Land Nav
1730: Dinner (MRE)
1830: Night Nav
2200: Lights Out
There's only a limited amount of time you'll be near the bivouac site. Depending on the goals of staff running the course, you'll stay in the field until you complete your objective, which I've seen take 'til 0200. At 0200, you'll want your campsite set up, so you can return and crash. If you've only got the one poncho, you won't be wanting to set up a shelter at 0200.
Then there are the days when we get light - monderate rain throughout the day. If you've only got the one poncho, then you're 72 hour gear will get soaked.
In Advanced, it's slightly different...
0700: Transport
0730: Set up shelters
0800: Briefing
0830: begin mission... etc
In advanced you may leave one morning after breakfast and not return to the barracks area until lunch the following day, and then it's right back out into the field for a repeat of the day before. During that time, you may leave your shelter up, or break it down to get the practice in setting it up again a few hours later.
Basically, if you've got a poncho or rain gear to keep you from getting wet during the day, then you'll be fine with the gortex one as the shelter.
Ok, so two tarps it is. BUt what should I do as a tent is mentioned as part of the gear for 72 hour.
Horn, is it easy to get an instructor to help me with a few extra tasks for the GTL track during Advanced GSAR? I'd stick around for the GTL school the following week, but I'm set to be in MAS and would like to see if I can get the last few tasks done for that too.
I've reset the count and added all the options for NESA to see where in the frey we're all going to be.
I graduated from GTL this last year. My son attended Basic the year before and said that he wished he had had a tarp instead of his poncho because of potential mud, coverings for the poison ivy on the ground, and being able to keep lots of stuff off the ground. He attended advanced at the same I did GTL. We both brought tarps and it worked well as it rained alot and I kept my stuff dry in the 'tent' with me! Get a big enough one and you have a ground cloth too - since we practically set up in the dark, I didn't see the poison ivy I slept on top of but the tarp covered it anyway! I could also put my boots in the tent with me so I didn't have to wonder about bugs crawling or rain in them -
I've heard from several NESA staff that a hammock is the best option so you're up off the ground away from the creepy crawlies and such. If it rains you can rig up a tarp over it. Other things will have to be done about protecting gear but if nothing else you can throw it in a trash bag to keep it dry.
Quote from: NERMA002 Safety on December 26, 2007, 06:45:58 PM
Ok, so two tarps it is. BUt what should I do as a tent is mentioned as part of the gear for 72 hour.
Horn, is it easy to get an instructor to help me with a few extra tasks for the GTL track during Advanced GSAR? I'd stick around for the GTL school the following week, but I'm set to be in MAS and would like to see if I can get the last few tasks done for that too.
We don't look at a tent as "gear", so no one will really care. And since you'll be making a shelter, a tent is just extra weight, or will be using up space in the barracks.
Ya, if you've completed all of your other tasks for GTM 2 & 1, someone should be willing to work with you on the remaining few tasks. Your best bet will be to go to an FTA (senior member) as most of the CTA's (cadets) are under 17 and therefore do not have GTL themselves.
Sweet sounds like a plan. I do know someone who I believe is going to be there as an FTA he was last year. He's my unit's old ES officer now he's transfered to another unit.
Quote from: NERMA002 Safety on December 26, 2007, 06:45:58 PM
Ok, so two tarps it is. BUt what should I do as a tent is mentioned as part of the gear for 72 hour.
Horn, is it easy to get an instructor to help me with a few extra tasks for the GTL track during Advanced GSAR? I'd stick around for the GTL school the following week, but I'm set to be in MAS and would like to see if I can get the last few tasks done for that too.
FYI-for those interested Menards has 5.5 x 7.5 tarps "Laminated with a polyethylene coating, reinforced corners and rust- resistant grommets. Silver/green reversible"
for 3.98 Buy one get one free
Runs till 30 Dec 2007... I have a few of them great tarps and perfect size for a shelter
All right, boys and girls, it's getting to be that time of year again. Who's going to NESA or considering going to NESA this year?
We had a good FUNKY :P time in NGSAR last year. (Some of you may remember the picture of my BDU blouse standing under its own strength.)
Who's in for this year, and which week are you planning to go?
(Fifinella is currently running a 75% chance of being there.)
What, you didn't like the last 4 page topic about NESA 2008??
http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=3293.0
:o :o :o
I'll be there, MAS instructor.
Well earlier I said I was doing Mission Air Crew and Advanced GSAR, but plans have changed. Still doing Advanced GSAR but instead of Air Crew, I'm going to be doing GTL instead.
I would like to do Mission Aircrew Seems like this thread is mostly GSAR though
Well before I reset the vote count to be more specific of what school it was fairly even.
I only opted out of Mission Air Crew because my unit needs a GTL.
Topics merged.
Quote from: SJFedor on February 06, 2008, 07:37:01 AM
What, you didn't like the last 4 page topic about NESA 2008??
http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=3293.0
:o :o :o
I'll be there, MAS instructor.
Thanks, Mod.
Sorry for the redundancy. Missed this one. You wouldn't believe the chaos that is my life right now - not least of which is that the AF is evicting my squadron from the space we've occupied for 20 years - but I don't wanna hijack this thread.
Quote from: Horn229 on December 17, 2007, 02:25:12 PM
The TL school is only there to train in GTL. GTM 2 and 1 require four more tasks, which can be completed if the CTA/FTA is willing to sign off, but GTM 2/1 are not a goal of the school.
From the website:http://ngsar.homestead.com/team.html
QuoteThose completing the course successfully will be eligible for their CAPF 101 ground team qualification (GTM1, UDF, GTL) and senior ground team badge.
With all due respect, last year we earned UDF, GTM2, GTM1, and GTL as part of our training, and left qualified to lead all three levels of ground teams.
Quote from: floridacyclist on December 24, 2007, 02:02:17 PM
Living in a swamp that hits 105 on a regular basis in the Summer makes me wonder if y'all have any idea what real heat/humidity is like LOL
Gene,
It's not as bad up there as it is where we're at, but it was still pretty unpleasant. Esp. in BDUs and ponchos. :P
Quote from: Fifinella on February 06, 2008, 06:44:49 PM
Quote from: floridacyclist on December 24, 2007, 02:02:17 PM
Living in a swamp that hits 105 on a regular basis in the Summer makes me wonder if y'all have any idea what real heat/humidity is like LOL
Gene,
It's not as bad up there as it is where we're at, but it was still pretty unpleasant. Esp. in BDUs and ponchos. :P
Ponchos? We don't need no stinking ponchos. :p
I would like to go to MAS but I doubt that I could afford it.
How hard is it to make MO if the only experience I have is cadet O-flights?
(And MS)
^ When I lived in Illinois, Wing had a scholarship fund for Senior Members. This was 15 years ago, but I would see if they can fund your trip. It does not hurt to ask. Especially if you are going to a course where you will be able to bring back skills you can use immediately for the Wing. Most Wings have a "Coffee fund" to help defer costs for a few cadets to attend activities. Most often than not, not all the money is used, and some may be available for deserving Senior Members!
It just crossed my mind that perhaps you meant "afford it" as in can't miss work??
^Also, NESA will reimburse you for the fuel if you pre-coordinate with them to bring a CAP van, and let them use the van during NESA.
Or if you're an aircrew person (students not so much, but if you're a student going, and know a MAS staff member...) you can fly a corporate aircraft in.
Somehow, I got lucky last year and was able to fly one of the TNWG birds up to MAS for the school to use. In fact, I actually gave a cadet of mine, who was a newly minted GSAR Advanced grad, a ride home.
^ Both Fifinella and Fedor's suggestions are awesome! Thats cool how you can get reimbursed if you let them use the van. That would be well worth driving one out there.
Yup, one of the MAS instructors drove a van all the way from the coast of South Carolina to NESA, with 1 or 2 other people on board who were attending schools there, and got reimbursed for the whole deal.
I'm considering the advanced GSAR course this summer. I've never been to NESA before, but I did get locally qualified as a GTM3 and I'm pretty familiar with all of the tasks and responsibilities. I've also completed the ACUT and I got certified as an EMT on my own time. My only concern is that I wouldn't know enough to start right into the advanced course without taking the basic course first, but I'm also afraid I may not learn much for $175 from the basic course.
Any suggestions?
^I assume you are at least 18, as per the prerequisite for GTL (CAPR 60-3, 2-3 r.) and for this course. [Team Leader Candidates must be at least 18 years of age at the start of the course. http://www.cap.gov/index.cfm?nodeID=6990&audienceID=4 (http://www.cap.gov/index.cfm?nodeID=6990&audienceID=4)]
If so: there were several cadets in the advanced class last year, and one of them was the Distinguished Graduate. Just show up ready to work hard, and you'll learn a lot.
Quote from: Fifinella on February 11, 2008, 12:09:04 AM
^I assume you are at least 18, as per the prerequisite for GTL (CAPR 60-3, 2-3 r.) and for this course. [Team Leader Candidates must be at least 18 years of age at the start of the course. http://www.cap.gov/index.cfm?nodeID=6990&audienceID=4 (http://www.cap.gov/index.cfm?nodeID=6990&audienceID=4)]
If so: there were several cadets in the advanced class last year, and one of them was the Distinguished Graduate. Just show up ready to work hard, and you'll learn a lot.
Minimum age for advanced GSAR is 13. I'm 17.
Quote from: Jolt on February 10, 2008, 08:03:11 PM
I'm considering the advanced GSAR course this summer. I've never been to NESA before, but I did get locally qualified as a GTM3 and I'm pretty familiar with all of the tasks and responsibilities. I've also completed the ACUT and I got certified as an EMT on my own time. My only concern is that I wouldn't know enough to start right into the advanced course without taking the basic course first, but I'm also afraid I may not learn much for $175 from the basic course.
Any suggestions?
I had multiple cadets go up there for 1 week, who came in with GTM3 already completed, and after a quick rundown to make sure they were up to speed, since there was room, they got bumped direct to the advanced course.
If you're going to be 18 by the start of the course, I'd recommend you do Advanced GSAR week 1, and do Team Leader week two.
Or, if you're gonna be 18, go do Advanced GSAR week 1, and come do MAS week two ;D
Quote from: Jolt on February 11, 2008, 01:45:31 AM
Minimum age for advanced GSAR is 13. I'm 17.
My apologies. I thought you meant the GTL course. Ditto what SJFedor said.
I offer my services every year but I always get the same answer, I would have to join CAP again.
Too bad, my Group could use more ground team personnel, but if they want to deny themselves the resource thats thier problem.
I still show my support of the Academy through my screen name though.
Quote from: nesagsar on March 12, 2008, 06:27:44 AM
I offer my services every year but I always get the same answer, I would have to join CAP again.
Too bad, my Group could use more ground team personnel, but if they want to deny themselves the resource thats thier problem.
I still show my support of the Academy through my screen name though.
I believe they keep on rejecting your offer to help just out of liability. They'd be liabile for you if you got hurt and while not a member you wouldn't be covered.
I understand why they do it, I just think it is a bit limiting to only offer training from CAP members. People outside of CAP have learned some good ES lessons and are willing to teach.
Quote from: nesagsar on March 12, 2008, 03:41:02 PM
I understand why they do it, I just think it is a bit limiting to only offer training from CAP members. People outside of CAP have learned some good ES lessons and are willing to teach.
So why don't you come back in, and spread that wealth of knowledge for 2 weeks at year at NESA, and when you're not there, do some spreading in your home Wing?
Quote from: SJFedor on March 12, 2008, 03:43:12 PM
Quote from: nesagsar on March 12, 2008, 03:41:02 PM
I understand why they do it, I just think it is a bit limiting to only offer training from CAP members. People outside of CAP have learned some good ES lessons and are willing to teach.
So why don't you come back in, and spread that wealth of knowledge for 2 weeks at year at NESA, and when you're not there, do some spreading in your home Wing?
Here, here. That's a great idea, the more training you can give makes our orginization that much stronger.
My squadron commander had a habit of shredding documents and not updating computers. He also liked to make up rules so he would look impressive. I was Cadet First Sergeant and I took it seriously. I called out some of the indescrepancies through COC but it didnt turn out well.
He is Group Commander now. I am out now.
I was accepted as staff at NESA the year I got out, 2005. Unfortunatly the confontation peaked about 2 months before NESA started and I had to leave before I could go out and teach.
OK. I'm new here, but let me get this straight....
You go to NESA for a year (prior to 2005) and become qualified in some specialty (probably some GTM). Then you get accepted for staff for the 2005 activity, get accepted, then have a falling out with your unit and leave CAP. (And you are on a CAP forum three years later).
"I offer my services every year but I always get the same answer, I would have to join CAP again"
Exactly how are you "offering your services" and to whom???? Applications for NESA are done electronically through the NTC site; one must actually be a member to apply. Also, I am curious as to what "services" you believe you can offer that the many other experienced staff members that currently staff all the schools at NESA can't provide?
I also saw you posted some laughable comments on this thread:
http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=3692.msg87858
You give NESA grads a bad name with that trash. I've known some really good folks from NESA, and others who aren't so good - its just like most activies in CAP
Have you picked a wheelbarrow yet, "nesagsar"?
:D
What is/was the deadline for 2008 NESA applications?
Quote from: N Harmon on March 20, 2008, 08:00:20 PM
What is/was the deadline for 2008 NESA applications?
Still accepting until the end of May i think.
http://ngsar.homestead.com/home.html
Anyone doing basic or advanced ICS? Or have done them? I have applied for advanced ICS.
Quote from: Short Field on March 21, 2008, 02:45:57 AM
Anyone doing basic or advanced ICS? Or have done them? I have applied for advanced ICS.
I had a beer with the ICS advanced class..... ;D
I asked a friend about the extra expenses in attending NESA. He was there last year doing ground qualifications. He said there were next to no additional expenses except that the ICS students tended to spend a lot of time in the club... ;D
I would love to take the MP course but it is offered at the same time as the advanced ICS. If they were offering it the first week I would be there. I am a IC3 trainee and MP trainee now and would love to get some training at the "source".
Quote from: N Harmon on March 20, 2008, 08:00:20 PM
What is/was the deadline for 2008 NESA applications?
Applications will be taken up to somewhere around the beginning of June. However, all apps must be approved by your unit/group (if applicable)/Wing commanders before they will be accepted. This is also dependent on whether or not there are slots available in the school to which you have applied.
I signed up for the new MAS on Jul 26
Quote from: Short Field on March 21, 2008, 03:16:32 AM
I asked a friend about the extra expenses in attending NESA. He was there last year doing ground qualifications. He said there were next to no additional expenses except that the ICS students tended to spend a lot of time in the club... ;D
I would love to take the MP course but it is offered at the same time as the advanced ICS. If they were offering it the first week I would be there. I am a IC3 trainee and MP trainee now and would love to get some training at the "source".
I've been talking w/ the MAS commandant. Apparantly they're going to do TWO sessions of MAS. So, I'd recommend you get in contact w/ the MAS commandant, Maj. Eric Templeton, and see what can be arranged. I know that some of my guys from TN have already gotten emails asking if they wanted to switch to the 1st week.
Thanks for the heads up. E-mail has been sent. ;D
New applicants for week 1 won't be accepted for a few weeks. They want to see how many of us from week 2 will transfer to week 1 first.
I am IN! ;D
Got an email from Maj Templeton that they had opened up the standard MP class to the first week. Just finished paying for Session 1.
Now I need to look at airfares. :(
Quote from: Short Field on March 23, 2008, 01:26:26 AM
I am IN! ;D
Got an email from Maj Templeton that they had opened up the standard MP class to the first week. Just finished paying for Session 1.
Now I need to look at airfares. :(
Welcome. Maybe I'll be your instructor.
Start reading the MART now.
Is that the same as the Mission Aircrew Reference Test ? The one that gives you a 404 error - page not found - when you click the link on the CAP Nat. Hq site?
www.cap-es.net // NESA-MAS, the MART is in there along with the IFG and all the other toys we use.
cap-es.net is run by another fellow NESA-MAS instructor.
Quote from: capes on March 20, 2008, 04:30:01 PM
OK. I'm new here, but let me get this straight....
You go to NESA for a year (prior to 2005) and become qualified in some specialty (probably some GTM). Then you get accepted for staff for the 2005 activity, get accepted, then have a falling out with your unit and leave CAP. (And you are on a CAP forum three years later).
"I offer my services every year but I always get the same answer, I would have to join CAP again"
Exactly how are you "offering your services" and to whom???? Applications for NESA are done electronically through the NTC site; one must actually be a member to apply. Also, I am curious as to what "services" you believe you can offer that the many other experienced staff members that currently staff all the schools at NESA can't provide?
I also saw you posted some laughable comments on this thread:
http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=3692.msg87858
You give NESA grads a bad name with that trash. I've known some really good folks from NESA, and others who aren't so good - its just like most activies in CAP
I graduated NGSAR Basic in 2003 and NGSAR Advanced in 2004. In Basic I was on the honor team. I was accepted to a staff position in 2005 but the administrative problems in my squadron, group, and wing led me to leave CAP.
I occasionaly trade emails with Lt. Col Desmarias, we talk about how the academy is going and I wish everyone a good year.
I never stated that I was better than anyone out at the academy, I have learnes a few tricks that are usefull in the field for man tracking and wilderness survival, etc...
You call my comments on the NCSA board laughable. That is exactly what I was going for. If you can not accept that the graduates of a NCSA have a feeling of professional pride then I think you will have a hard time in your CAP career when you have to work with cadets that have been to NCSA's. You also have no concept of sarcasm or a sense of humor.
I found a really cool black wheelbarrow with VHF radios and a stretcher mount. It even has a place to store my reflective vest. A wheelbarrow truly for for a NESA grad. My only problem is keeping those Hawk Mountain people away from it!
Quote from: SJFedor on March 24, 2008, 03:42:00 AM
www.cap-es.net // NESA-MAS, the MART is in there along with the IFG and all the other toys we use.
Thanks. I had downloaded the last version from cap-es.net but didn't know how "offical" the stuff on the site was.
As in a lot of CAP stuff, it is the membership that makes it happen. ;D
Quote from: SJFedor on March 23, 2008, 08:29:51 PM
Welcome. Maybe I'll be your instructor.
I'll be easy to spot - I look just like John Wayne when he was 39.
Oops. Disregard the last post. I mistook a old movie poster for a mirror.... ;D
Quote from: nesagsar on March 24, 2008, 05:44:08 AM
I graduated NGSAR Basic in 2003 and NGSAR Advanced in 2004. In Basic I was on the honor team. I was accepted to a staff position in 2005 but the administrative problems in my squadron, group, and wing led me to leave CAP.
I wouldn't brag about your experiences in Basic GSAR if I were you. I've got a few things I could say about you in that second session of Basic.
QuoteI never stated that I was better than anyone out at the academy, I have learnes a few tricks that are usefull in the field for man tracking and wilderness survival, etc...
Man tracking tricks? Like calling experts in man tracking? I hope so, as there hasn't been a formal course taught on the subject at NESA as of yet.
Wilderness survival? At GSAR you learn how to make a shelter with supplies from your gear, and that's pretty much it. You didn't learn how to track, trap, kill or prepare any animals of the wild for food, and you never put into practice how to filter water. So please, tell me what you learned in wilderness survival training.
QuoteI never stated that I was better than anyone out at the academy, I have learned a few tricks that are usefull in the field for man tracking and wilderness survival, etc...
Man tracking tricks? Like calling experts in man tracking? I hope so, as there hasn't been a formal course taught on the subject at NESA as of yet.
Wilderness survival? At GSAR you learn how to make a shelter with supplies from your gear, and that's pretty much it. You didn't learn how to track, trap, kill or prepare any animals of the wild for food, and you never put into practice how to filter water. So please, tell me what you learned in wilderness survival training.
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I never said that I learned all of my skills at NESA. Since I left CAP I have been on a search team at the county level in IL and I have been a member of IMERT since 2006. I also managed to earn Eagle Scout rank in scouts, certified as an EMT-Basic, and earned an Associates degree. Another two semesters and I will have my Bachelors degree. I managed all of this and I am not even 21 yet.
I dont see what the controversy is, all I said is that I would like to help out. For a volunteer orginization CAP is doing a very good job of turning down volunteers.
Quote from: Short Field on March 24, 2008, 10:49:38 PM
Quote from: SJFedor on March 24, 2008, 03:42:00 AM
www.cap-es.net // NESA-MAS, the MART is in there along with the IFG and all the other toys we use.
Thanks. I had downloaded the last version from cap-es.net but didn't know how "offical" the stuff on the site was.
As in a lot of CAP stuff, it is the membership that makes it happen. ;D
Lt Col Lanis is really the guy that does all the updates on the IFG and MART and all. So, if it's on there, it's what you'll be recieving in your materials packet when you arrive at MAS.
Quote from: nesagsar on March 26, 2008, 06:18:58 AM
I dont see what the controversy is, all I said is that I would like to help out. For a volunteer orginization CAP is doing a very good job of turning down volunteers.
Dude, I'm honestly getting sick of you complaining about this. You know the rules; if you want to play, be a member. If you're not a member, you can't play.
Simple as that.
So either join back up, or go back to playing with your wheelbarrow, but for everyone's sake, please:
(http://www.jeffandkerri.net/uploaded_images/winget-719223.jpg)
^ :clap:
Quote from: nesagsar on March 26, 2008, 06:18:58 AM
I dont see what the controversy is,
The "controversy" is your ego. From 2000-2007 I attended 12 sessions of GSAR, of which I was staff for 10, ranging from Team Leader for Basic, to CTA for the Team Leader School. I know what GSAR is all about, and I know what CAP GT's are all about. There isn't any room at GSAR or on a ground team for an ego such as yours.
As it has already been stated, re-join if you truly want to help teach. But you won't be doing that until you become certified again -- with this break from CAP you've taken, all of your qualifications no longer exist, you have to start from scratch all over again.
Quote from: nesagsar on March 26, 2008, 06:18:58 AM
all I said is that I would like to help out. For a volunteer orginization CAP is doing a very good job of turning down volunteers.
No we aren't. Units in CAP ask outside professionals to teach courses all the time, around here that's usually for mission management.
People who really want to contribute their knowledge to CAP,
join. It's not that hard, fill out the application, get the police to take your fingerprints, and send a check. That's all there is to it, nothing insane is being asked of you here.
On facebook you say:
QuoteSome day I will rejoin CAP and take the staff position that was so rudely denied me in 2005.
Here you said:
Quote from: nesagsar on March 12, 2008, 04:04:23 PM
My squadron commander had a habit of shredding documents and not updating computers. He also liked to make up rules so he would look impressive. I was Cadet First Sergeant and I took it seriously. I called out some of the indescrepancies through COC but it didnt turn out well.
He is Group Commander now. I am out now.
I was accepted as staff at NESA the year I got out, 2005. Unfortunatly the confontation peaked about 2 months before NESA started and I had to leave before I could go out and teach.
Which is it? Were you "rudely" denied a staff position, or did your Commander ask you to not come back?
It's starting to sound like you really dont like me for some reason. Please accept that I cannot join CAP for at least another year due to school. Even then I might not be able to if my career plans work out. If that means I cannot teach at NESA then that is how it will be. I accepted that a long time ago. I resent your accusations against "my ego", you dont know me. Even if you remember what I was like in 2004 it is possible that you could have been wrong about me, and it has been a long time since then. If you have seen me on facebook take a look at my profile, learn something about me. Browse through my groups and my photos. If you doubt my qualifications as a searcher you will be disapointed.
I am done here, let the topic return to next years cadets.
Quote from: nesagsar on March 26, 2008, 05:17:09 PM
I am done here, let the topic return to next years cadets.
This is where I will take you on. It's not only cadets who go. The apporpriate term should be "Next Years
Students".
Seniors go as students as well.
Quote from: SJFedor on March 23, 2008, 08:29:51 PM
[Start reading the MART now.
Just to be clear - Will they provide hardcopy documents of MART, etc, when I get to NESA or do I need to print them out and take them with me?
Quote from: Short Field on March 26, 2008, 09:13:54 PM
Quote from: SJFedor on March 23, 2008, 08:29:51 PM
[Start reading the MART now.
Just to be clear - Will they provide hardcopy documents of MART, etc, when I get to NESA or do I need to print them out and take them with me?
You'll get a nice binder w/ the most current MART, Inflight Guide, Aircrew and Flightline Task Guide, and a few other little goodies.
At least, that's what they gave us last year....
Quote from: SJFedor on March 26, 2008, 09:31:21 PM
Quote from: Short Field on March 26, 2008, 09:13:54 PM
Quote from: SJFedor on March 23, 2008, 08:29:51 PM
[Start reading the MART now.
Just to be clear - Will they provide hardcopy documents of MART, etc, when I get to NESA or do I need to print them out and take them with me?
You'll get a nice binder w/ the most current MART, Inflight Guide, Aircrew and Flightline Task Guide, and a few other little goodies.
At least, that's what they gave us last year....
Nothing else? I need T-shirts and pens and pencils. Lets not forget this year you get Fedor's IM and cell number so you can harrass him at all hours......
Quote from: mikeylikey on March 26, 2008, 10:12:20 PM
Quote from: SJFedor on March 26, 2008, 09:31:21 PM
Quote from: Short Field on March 26, 2008, 09:13:54 PM
Quote from: SJFedor on March 23, 2008, 08:29:51 PM
[Start reading the MART now.
Just to be clear - Will they provide hardcopy documents of MART, etc, when I get to NESA or do I need to print them out and take them with me?
You'll get a nice binder w/ the most current MART, Inflight Guide, Aircrew and Flightline Task Guide, and a few other little goodies.
At least, that's what they gave us last year....
Nothing else? I need T-shirts and pens and pencils. Lets not forget this year you get Fedor's IM and cell number so you can harrass him at all hours......
Well yeah, you also get 2 black NESA t-shirts, a hat, and whatever other little goodies they are giving away.
My cell and IM are not included. ;D
BUT I NEED YOUR CELL NUMBER! :D
From a Cadet Moral Leadership lesson..."If I want it, I need it." ;)
^ and WE NEED IT. FEDOR you are starting to develop a following here! Even the ladies...... ;)
Quote from: mikeylikey on March 28, 2008, 03:13:37 AM
^ and WE NEED IT. FEDOR you are starting to develop a following here! Even the ladies...... ;)
What can I say, I'm just that freakin' awesome. ;D
And for the record, I ALMOST posted or PM'ed each one of you one of the local numbers for the rejection hotline >:D >:D
Pardon the question but what exactly is a rejection line?
Quote from: SAR-EMT1 on April 05, 2008, 10:16:15 AM
Pardon the question but what exactly is a rejection line?
Click here: http://www.rejectionline.com/ (http://www.rejectionline.com/)
I was just looking at the equipment list and it says for team leader a calculator is required. From those who have taken the class before what type of calculator is best? I've got a graphing calculator and a regular scientific calculator. Would one be better than the other?
Quote from: NERMA002 Safety on April 07, 2008, 07:06:41 PM
I was just looking at the equipment list and it says for team leader a calculator is required. From those who have taken the class before what type of calculator is best? I've got a graphing calculator and a regular scientific calculator. Would one be better than the other?
One was not required last year...but just a plain old add/subtract/divide one should do....I can't think of anything we do as a GTL that requires too much math...except coordinate encoding.
Quote from: lordmonar on April 07, 2008, 07:41:15 PM
Quote from: NERMA002 Safety on April 07, 2008, 07:06:41 PM
I was just looking at the equipment list and it says for team leader a calculator is required. From those who have taken the class before what type of calculator is best? I've got a graphing calculator and a regular scientific calculator. Would one be better than the other?
One was not required last year...but just a plain old add/subtract/divide one should do....I can't think of anything we do as a GTL that requires too much math...except coordinate encoding.
That's what I thought. None of the GTL's I've worked with needed a calculator.
I'm really looking forward to the MAS course this summer. This will be my first National level ES anything. I hope I can still make it by then, but that will depend on my job situation. How often do you get to fly during the MAS MP course?
Quote from: flyguy06 on April 07, 2008, 08:33:10 PM
I'm really looking forward to the MAS course this summer. This will be my first National level ES anything. I hope I can still make it by then, but that will depend on my job situation. How often do you get to fly during the MAS MP course?
Which session are you doing for MAS? I'm going to be there for the first session. Then I'm pounding ground the second week. It's also my first National ES activity.
I'm signed up for MAS. Probably will be the only cadet there.
So for all of us in MAS what week are people going?
Quote from: CASH172 on April 07, 2008, 08:48:26 PM
I'm signed up for MAS. Probably will be the only cadet there.
Rock on! The more cadets, the better. It's always so cool to see the age range from the 18 y/o cadet to the 70 y/o Korea veteran.
Quote from: flyguy06 on April 07, 2008, 08:33:10 PM
I'm really looking forward to the MAS course this summer. This will be my first National level ES anything. I hope I can still make it by then, but that will depend on my job situation. How often do you get to fly during the MAS MP course?
Not to spoil too much of the fun....
As an MP candidate, you will do your first flight in the back seat (scanner refresher), then the 2nd flight you'll move to the front with your MPI in the front (the MPIs want to make sure you won't kill them once they get in the back seat) with your MO in the rear. Flight 1 is your area fam, they'll introduce you to your grids, the airpots and landmarks in them, along with hazards. Second one is more of the 1st, but with you at the controls. 3-5 are the different search patterns (parallel, expanding square, creeping line, route, ELT). You'll plan them ahead of time, as your MPI has 2 crews, so while he's flying with one, the other is in class or planning, and then they switch.
So, short answer, 5 flights, 4 of which are with you at the controls. Depending on how far your grid is from the field depends how much time you end up with. I ended up with 11.7, and I brought an aircraft to and from.
Quote from: NERMA002 Safety on April 07, 2008, 08:53:20 PM
So for all of us in MAS what week are people going?
I'll be there both weeks.
Hey anyone interested in trading unit patches at NESA?
See this post please!
http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=4936.msg95647#new
So... are adult participants free to leave the base in the evenings?
So if I end up being the only cadet in my school, what do I do at night?
Quote from: CASH172 on May 03, 2008, 09:15:15 PM
So if I end up being the only cadet in my school, what do I do at night?
What school are you in?
Quote from: NERMA002 Safety on May 03, 2008, 11:17:05 PM
Quote from: CASH172 on May 03, 2008, 09:15:15 PM
So if I end up being the only cadet in my school, what do I do at night?
What school are you in?
MAS-Observer
Has anyone recieved their accpetence package yet?
Quote from: Nomex Maximus on May 03, 2008, 08:59:52 PM
So... are adult participants free to leave the base in the evenings?
Affirm, especially if you have your own transportation. Some of the MAS students actually elected to say in a hotel instead of the barracks. The staff usually goes out and eats every night for "staff meetings". Plus, there's the all ranks club, which is a great place to be after 13 hours of death by powerpoint.
Quote from: CASH172 on May 03, 2008, 09:15:15 PM
So if I end up being the only cadet in my school, what do I do at night?
The MAS cadet we had last year spent most of his time hanging w/ the cadet staff that wasn't in the field. You can also study, chill with us old farts, txt your girlfriend, and sleep.
Quote from: SJFedor on May 09, 2008, 08:54:53 PM
The MAS cadet we had last year spent most of his time hanging w/ the cadet staff that wasn't in the field. You can also study, chill with us old farts, txt your girlfriend, and sleep.
You, an old fart? Come on...
Quote from: Redfire3 on May 09, 2008, 10:06:05 PM
Quote from: SJFedor on May 09, 2008, 08:54:53 PM
The MAS cadet we had last year spent most of his time hanging w/ the cadet staff that wasn't in the field. You can also study, chill with us old farts, txt your girlfriend, and sleep.
You, an old fart? Come on...
Haha. Well, when you average the age of the group.... but I do certainly bring that average down.
It is all relative.... When I was a Lt, the USAF was filled with really old Majors. Now even the Colonels look like kids. And I am just reaching my prime. ;D
If there's no PT done at NESA why is PT Gear included on the check list?
Quote from: Orion Pax on May 19, 2008, 08:39:02 PM
If there's no PT done at NESA why is PT Gear included on the check list?
For giggles and grins. I would assume they probably have some activity that they don't want you to do in your uniform.
Quote from: Orion Pax on May 19, 2008, 08:39:02 PM
If there's no PT done at NESA why is PT Gear included on the check list?
No PT gear is req'd. We are working on getting the check list updated. The PT gear was a holdover from years ago.
-Long
Quote from: husker on May 20, 2008, 12:45:01 AM
Quote from: Orion Pax on May 19, 2008, 08:39:02 PM
If there's no PT done at NESA why is PT Gear included on the check list?
No PT gear is req'd. We are working on getting the check list updated. The PT gear was a holdover from years ago.
-Long
Ok thanks. That makes part of the packing even easier.
I was wondering if soem one could pm/email me the medical release and atebury release for Nesa because my PC can't view it. Also Do I need to send the above items to be accepted and when will I know I've been accepted I sent in my online registration may 13.
So colorguard,
What is the problem with getting the forms? They are both word documents. If you have MS Word loaded on your machine you should be able to see them.
Yes you have to fax them in. The 800 fax line is on the participant information page.
To check on your status go to the application status page. If you don't have word let me know and I'll send them to you in another format.
NESA Web Content Manager
For anyone that's on staff at NESA were our facilities impacted by the Tornado last night? I've got a friend that said Camp Atterbury was hit hard.
Short article here:
http://www.therepublic.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=111&ArticleID=120909
Sounds like there'll be more time in the field
Groovy. Thank goodness no one on post was injured.
That's weird I live by attebury and I didn't here anything about a tornado.
I heard about it on either NPR or ABC national news.
Quote from: colorguard_rifle on June 04, 2008, 06:38:45 PM
That's weird I live by attebury and I didn't here anything about a tornado.
Well then, investing in a weather alert radio might be a very good idea for you. ;D
Quote from: SJFedor on June 09, 2008, 03:04:52 AM
Quote from: colorguard_rifle on June 04, 2008, 06:38:45 PM
That's weird I live by attebury and I didn't here anything about a tornado.
Well then, investing in a weather alert radio might be a very good idea for you. ;D
Wow living in the midwest, one should absolutely invest in some sort of weather alerting device. When I lived in Missouri, Illinois and Indiana (Tornado Alley) you could always find weather radios in grocery stores, 7-11's, gas stations, EVERYWHERE!
Yeah there all over the place.
Quote from: mikeylikey on June 09, 2008, 04:10:10 AM
Quote from: SJFedor on June 09, 2008, 03:04:52 AM
Quote from: colorguard_rifle on June 04, 2008, 06:38:45 PM
That's weird I live by attebury and I didn't here anything about a tornado.
Well then, investing in a weather alert radio might be a very good idea for you. ;D
Wow living in the midwest, one should absolutely invest in some sort of weather alerting device. When I lived in Missouri, Illinois and Indiana (Tornado Alley) you could always find weather radios in grocery stores, 7-11's, gas stations, EVERYWHERE!
I sleep with mine. And if for some reason it doesn't trip/doesn't work, the sirens (3 within 3/4 of a mile of my house) seem to always wake me up.
I hate tornadoes.
Yeah I hear that, I always have mine on if it's gonna storm and it's set to a 30 mile radius so I know if somethings coming.
Received through the Yahoo NESA group:
QuoteWe lost our Logistics Officer and Transportation Officer from OK this year due to employment responsibilities. We are looking for a Logistics Officer and Transportation Officer to serve on staff currently.
A CAP driver's licenses is required. If you are interested, or know anyone who might be interested, please contact me.
We still have a few slots for kitchen helpers open for each week. Persons filling these slots will work in the kitchen one week and may attend the other week of school without cost. Let me know if you are interested.
> We still have some limited openings in the basic and advanced ground SAR schools and the Incident Command School for NESA due to some cancellations. Our other schools are full. Registration is open at: https://ntc.cap.af.mil/ops/nesa/
> If you have trouble with online registration, forms and information can be found at: http://ngsar.homestead.com/home.html
>
> We have found through people contacting us that didn't get acceptance packets that probably one of the boxes containing the packets didn't seem to make it through the mail. We don't know who all was in the one box, so we are planning on mailing packet again to everyone since we have no way of telling who were the ones that got theres and who didn't. Any of the forms or information that was in the packets are available for download at the above
>
> We still have some limited opportunities for seniors or cadets who may wish to volunteer a week in helping out in the kitchen to attend the other week of school without cost. Contact me if you are interested.
>
> If we have any senior members that would like to volunteer as staff in supervising our kitchen area with just some basic skills, that would be helpful also. We don't have any Air Force cook teams this year due to deployments and cut backs. Part of being an emergency and search and rescue response organization is to be able to be self sufficient when responding. We are hoping to not only meet our needs at NESA, but to have some people who gain experience to have the capability to call upon during emergencies if needed to be capable in logistics in food service so we know our organization can establish a self sufficient base of operations. In times of disaster, that means taking care of our shelter, transportation, communications, and food service if need be.
>
> If you registered, you can check your application status online at: https://ntc.cap.af.mil/ops/nesa/NESAApplicantStatus.cfm
> If you registered and haven't been able to get on line to check your status or have any questions, feel free to contact me.
>
> Major Gary Brockman
> Director, National Emergency Services Academy
> 3714 N. Breen Drive
> Indianapolis, Indiana 46235
> (317) 289-6087
I see 7 days of MRE's in NESA's future.
Quote from: Johnny Yuma on July 10, 2008, 01:36:10 AM
I see 7 days of MRE's in NESA's future.
I've done that before and it wasn't fun. I don't know about doing it for 2 weeks at NESA. I really don't think we'll have to resort to that, if nothing else they'll probably have to assign people to KP duty.
When all else fails, improvise, adapt, and overcome.
that would be interesting though a SAR school with nothing but MRE's. Wonder how many cadets would stay.
Quote from: colorguard_rifle on July 10, 2008, 02:51:26 PM
that would be interesting though a SAR school with nothing but MRE's. Wonder how many cadets would stay.
Most of them.
CAP cadets = Weird Kids. The kind of kid that actually LIKES MRE's.
It would cut back on the lavoratory usage costs.
Quote from: Johnny Yuma on July 10, 2008, 04:09:19 PM
Quote from: colorguard_rifle on July 10, 2008, 02:51:26 PM
that would be interesting though a SAR school with nothing but MRE's. Wonder how many cadets would stay.
Most of them.
CAP cadets = Weird Kids. The kind of kid that actually LIKES MRE's.
This is true. I've seen one eat the MRE out of his gear when it wasn't even a SAREX or a Mission. He just likes the taste of them.
I ate an MRE the other night just cuz I was hungry, and it was there. Mmmmm
I will admit some of them can be down right tasty.
two words... pound cake
Quote from: Bayhawk21 on July 10, 2008, 08:56:09 PM
two words... pound cake
The orange and poppy seed cakes were delicious.
I still enjoy the "Milkshakes" or milk flavored beverages.
I've got a packet of the cocoa beverage powder i'm saving for a special occasion ;D
Quote from: mikeylikey on July 10, 2008, 09:09:10 PM
Quote from: Bayhawk21 on July 10, 2008, 08:56:09 PM
two words... pound cake
The orange and poppy seed cakes were delicious.
I still enjoy the "Milkshakes" or milk flavored beverages.
I have one of those that I'm saving for the right moment. I think during the second week of NESA I'll go find a nice quiet place and enjoy it in peace. It'll be my "me time" for the week.
I intend to make good use of the Cracker Barrel on I-65.
There's some good restaurants in town. The restaurant right in the FBO (right upstairs from the classroom) is really good.
Quote from: Nomex Maximus on July 10, 2008, 09:43:33 PM
I intend to make good use of the Cracker Barrel on I-65.
I know a certain CapTalker.com that can get you a discount at Craker Barrell ;D
Quote from: Johnny Yuma on July 10, 2008, 04:09:19 PM
Quote from: colorguard_rifle on July 10, 2008, 02:51:26 PM
that would be interesting though a SAR school with nothing but MRE's. Wonder how many cadets would stay.
Most of them.
CAP cadets = Weird Kids. The kind of kid that actually LIKES MRE's.
I agree. But in mysquadron 95% of cadets would drop.
Oh and I was wonderin this year what's been the eldest MRE you've had (foreign and domestic) personally it was a MRE from '97 and an IMP from'96. Good stuff.
Quote from: flyguy06 on July 11, 2008, 12:11:55 AM
Quote from: Nomex Maximus on July 10, 2008, 09:43:33 PM
I intend to make good use of the Cracker Barrel on I-65.
I know a certain CapTalker.com that can get you a discount at Craker Barrell ;D
Oh yeah!! I forgot! And she lives close by to me too!
Recieved this email today:
QuoteWe have had some other cancellations in the Basic and Advanced ICS School. This is a great opportunity for those wishing to be part of the emergency services mission management and leadership.
Questions about the course? Contact LtCol. Pete Norris at: p.norris@juno.com
We still have a few openings in the Basic and Advanced Ground Search and Rescue Schools. Our other schools are full. Registration is open at: https://ntc.cap.af.mil/ops/nesa/
If you have trouble with online registration, forms and information can be found at: http://ngsar.homestead.com/home.html
I have one spot left for a senior or cadet that would like to assist in the kitchen for one week and receive the other week of schooling without charge. A great deal for those on a budget.
We could still use some help on staff in Logistics and Transportation. If anyone is interested, contact me. A CAP driver's license is needed for CAP members.
The Ground SAR Schools could use some additional senior member STA (Student Training Advisors) which serve as TAC officers and training assistants in the field. These should be GTM minimum qualified members with some experience and capable of being in the field. If you are interested, contact Maj. Mike Long at: Michael.Long@jrsmith.com
If you registered, you can check your application status online at: https://ntc.cap.af.mil/ops/nesa/NESAApplicantStatus.cfm
If you registered and haven't been able to get on line to check your status or have any questions, feel free to contact me.
Major Gary Brockman
Director, National Emergency Services Academy
3714 N. Breen Drive
Indianapolis, Indiana 46235
(317) 289-6087
ALL IT TAKES IS ALL YOU GOT
Quote from: colorguard_rifle on July 11, 2008, 12:13:13 AM
Quote from: Johnny Yuma on July 10, 2008, 04:09:19 PM
Quote from: colorguard_rifle on July 10, 2008, 02:51:26 PM
that would be interesting though a SAR school with nothing but MRE's. Wonder how many cadets would stay.
Most of them.
CAP cadets = Weird Kids. The kind of kid that actually LIKES MRE's.
I agree. But in mysquadron 95% of cadets would drop.
Spoilsports!
From Maj Brockman through the NESA Yahoo group mailing list
QuoteThere has been a lot of rain in Indiana so far this year which means the insect population will be thriving. All members should make sure to prepare with the appropriate insect repellent for bugs and tics.
Weather has also been hot and humid. Don't arrive at the activity dehydrated and then try to play catch up. Start drinking plenty of fluids several days before arrival. It has been around 90 degrees this week with 65-70 percent humidity and getting up at times in the high 90s. In emergency services you will find you can't take care of others if you don't take care of yourself.
If you have been enjoying your summer so far mostly in air conditioning or laying around in the shade, remember NESA is a physical activity for those of you in the GSAR schools. You should be taking walks and wearing the boots you will wear while here to make sure they are broken in and you are in shape to participate.
Make sure your gear and clothing are marked also with your name. Every year we end up with a box of lost items that we can't identify the owner and no one comes calling for.
For those of you flying in and needing transportation at the airport, make sure you have sent us your flight information. If there are changes, make sure we have those also. We can't pick you up if we don't know when you are coming.
We are looking forward to a great school this year and should have around 400 students come through courses this year. Taking some time to make sure you are prepared and you have what is listed on the equipment list will make your attendance much easier.
Major Gary Brockman
Director, National Emergency Services Academy