I would like you all to know that the official brazilian civil air patrol web site is www.pacbrasil.org.br and not www.pacmirasol as someone said. Anything you want to know about the brazilian cap, please ask me or get in touch with the brazilian cap official website. I will be very glad to answer any question....
Message icon - MIKE
that web site is broken, and it still contains the meta tags from our web site
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, right? So doesn't that ring true doubly if you're blatantly copying? ;D
I do believe that Brazil is a party to the Universal Copyright Convention. :)
that site is not broken, try using internet explorer. I have just checked and it is working perfectly fine. The brazilian cap was brought to brazil in 1950 by a former usaf/cap officer as long as I know. Well, I cannot say that it is not , somehow, a copy of the usa cap but we are talking about saving somone's life.
we should be worried about that and not be worried if some other organization is very similar to yours. if you are worried about that you should not be there.
Any question, that will be my pleasure to answer and help if you allow me to....
"Sgt Erik"
I am curious as to your relationship with the Brazilian CAP. Are you a member? Interested Party? Researcher?
In reference to the website, I think that it is wrong for the BCAP to use the CAP's website and logos for its own use. Is this an attempt to gain some sort of legitimacy or what? Our logos have historical meaning to our organization, which I don't think that you can say applies to the BCAP.
I do commend the BCAPs efforts to bring a similar program elsewhere though.
What gives?
Quote from: sgt erik on June 18, 2008, 02:29:18 PM
that site is not broken, try using internet explorer.
Any website which is browser specific in 2008 is broken...
Not that it matters as it doesn't work in IE , either...
Just so I get this history right...since my Portugese...well isn't.
Quote
A Patrulha Aérea Civil foi criada no Brasil em 16 de abril de 1959 pelo Ministério da Aeronáutica pelo MAJOR BRIGADEIRO do AR ALFREDO GONÇALVES CORREIA ''in Memorian'', juntamente com o CORONEL AV. ANTONIO DA COSTA FARIA '' In Memorian'' da então D.A.C Diretoria de Aeronáutica Civil na então Capital do Brasil, RJ.
A P.A.C é uma Força Auxiliar de Resgate presente em vários Países do Mundo, criada nos Estados Unidos no começo da 2º Guerra Mundial (Criação que após o fim da 2º Guerra deu origem a outros Países), Inglaterra, Alemanha, Japão, e outros.
A Patrulha Aérea Civil tem no Comando Nacional o Coronel da Força Aérea dos Estados Unidos (USAF – CAP) Nº 2.358 José Roberto Adriani com 52 anos de corporação, sendo que ficou oito em treinamentos e intercâmbios em vários Países do Mundo, sempre a serviço da Força Aérea dos Estados Unidos (USAF – CAP) até o ano de 1958, quando retornou ao Brasil.
Em 12 de Novembro de 1959 foi apresentado o Projeto Lei Nº 1.213 pelo então Deputado Federal Campos Vergal,''in memorian'' nos Artigos 7º, 9º, 16º diz que o Governo deveria conceder verba em prol do progresso da Aviação brasileira.
Em 11 de Agosto de 1964 fomos considerados Utilidade Pública pelo então Estado do Guanabara através da Lei Nº 565/64.
Em 26 de Outubro de 1968 fomos considerados Utilidade Publica no Município de Campinas através da Lei Nº 3691/66.
O site para maiores informações sobre a Civil Air Patrol é: www.cap.gov.
Quote
The Civil Air Patrol was created in Brazil the 16th of April of 1959 by the Ministry of the Aeronautics (by order of?) MAJOR BRIGADIER GENERAL of AIR ALFREDO GONÇALVES CORREIA "deceased", with COLONEL AV. ANTONIO DA COSTA FARIA 'Deceased'' under the Direction of Military aviation in the Capital of Brazil, RIO DE JANEIRO.
The P.A.C is a Force Auxiliary for Rescue in some Countries of the World, created in the United States in the start of World War 2 (After the end of WWII originated in other Countries), England, Germany, Japan, and others.
The Civil Air Patrol always has in the National Command the Colonel of the Air Force of the United States (USAF - CAP) (Nº 2,358 Jose Robert Adriani with 52 years of incorporation, being that it was eight in training and interchanges in some Countries of the World???) the service of the Air Force of the United States (USAF - CAP) until the year of 1958, when it returned to Brazil.
In 12 of November of 1959 the Project was presented Law Nº 1,213 for then the Representative Vergal Fields, ''deceased'' in Articles 7º, 9º, 16º says that the Government would have to grant an amount of money in favor of the progress of Brazilian Aviation. In 11 of August of 1964 we were considered Been Public Utility for then of the Guanabara through the Law Nº 565/64. In 26 of October of 1968 we were considered Utility Publishes in the City of Campinas through the Law Nº 3691/66.
The site for more information on the Civilian Air Patrol is: www.cap.gov.
Is this somewhat close?
Curiouser and curiouser, from the "comando" link:
"COMANDANTE NACIONAL – José Roberto Adriani Coronel/CAP-USAF"
Quote from: dhon27 on June 18, 2008, 03:10:57 PM
Curiouser and curiouser, from the "comando" link:
"COMANDANTE NACIONAL – José Roberto Adriani Coronel/CAP-USAF"
Hey, at least it's not Lt. Gen. He Who Shall Not Be Named.
Quote from: sgt erik on June 18, 2008, 02:29:18 PM
that site is not broken, try using internet explorer. I have just checked and it is working perfectly fine. The brazilian cap was brought to brazil in 1950 by a former usaf/cap officer as long as I know. Well, I cannot say that it is not , somehow, a copy of the usa cap but we are talking about saving somone's life.
we should be worried about that and not be worried if some other organization is very similar to yours. if you are worried about that you should not be there.
Any question, that will be my pleasure to answer and help if you allow me to....
There is some kind of redirect with a blackslash going on, causing it to break if the browser does not fix it to a forward slash.
I didn't say the organization is similar...I said it is our web site. My fire department saves lives too, but I would be annoyed if they borrowed my web site without asking me.
well, I am just someonewho likes civil air patrol. now I dont know what you mean by saying our site....as long as I know BCAP uses a different address but if it is going direct to us cap web site, for sure something is wrong because my browser takes me to a site in portuguese. For sure, I would be annoyed to if someone uses my site without asking me. I dont know about that but may be the us cap knows about that. I heard that some of the bcap members have already been to us cap for a some kind of trainning. If that is true, for sure us cap knows about the bcap and knows that
as you said, it is a copy of the us cap.
I know that someone there knows a lot about the bcap, jymmy, I would like to know your relation to bcap too... please, dont take me wrong if I could I would fix anything that is wrong there and would do anything to get all the cap around the world to become friends. I dont feel anything friendly so far.....
An Officer exchange programs with these floks down south would be cool 8)
Quote from: sgt erik on June 18, 2008, 08:42:11 PM
I know that someone there knows a lot about the bcap, jymmy, I would like to know your relation to bcap too... please, dont take me wrong if I could I would fix anything that is wrong there and would do anything to get all the cap around the world to become friends. I dont feel anything friendly so far.....
I have no affiliation with BCAP, however, I am interested to know the extent of the organization as it exists in Brazil. Browsing the site that you provided, it appears to follow the same mission as our Emergency Services mission. However, information is greatly limited on the site and I don't speak Portugese - making decimination of information that much more difficult.
I think it is wonderful that there are similar organizations in the world and other people globally aware of the need to support civilian/general aviation. BCAP should be proud that they are helping to do that and are helping to save lives.
The ill will that is coming out here is simply a product of the BCAP website you posted. It appears that BCAP is using the website, which was directly copied and slightly modified from www.cap.gov, to create some sort of link between the two organizations that doesn't truly exist.
The website posted features US CAP (I hate having to do that) aircraft, the CAP emblem - translated into Portugese and even claims affiliation with our organization - including a direct link to the www.cap.gov website. It also claims that the national commander is a member of the United States Air Force Organization, CAP-USAF - which he is not.
Other things noticed are the use of the CAP corporate seal as a patch, 13 stars and all.
I think that CAP members don't have any problem with BCAP as an organization or its mission, but condemn the use of our organizations logos and heritage to promote BCAP. The emblems have historical meaning and significance to our country, our history and our organization.
If anything I think it would be interesting if there were some sort of international consortium of CAPs from around the globe, it might prove interesting for trianing environments, IACE programs, etc.
ok, I have to agree that the logo is identical, I dont know why it was copied but I will check that out, it might take sometime but I will find out. I am in Japan and I cant get in touch with the bcap commander that easy. By I will talk to him to know why the symbology
and the site is the same, however, I dont think he can do that much to change that since it is being long time we use that logo. Unless, we receive an official letter asking to...That, I think might help. I will do anything to try getting the to organization closer and closer....until we get an exchange programm trainning. But you know it not easy .
About the relation between the to organization, in spite of the fact that the logo and website are very similar, the bcap never said or stated any relation between the two organization. Seeing your side, I understand it suggest some kind of relation. I will get back to you later with some answers.
In the meanwhile, I will be free to answer anything....
There's some interesting things on there. From what I can piece together using various online translation sites, they recently had a change, a seemingly major change, to their bylaws.
If I remember correctly though, the last time that this was brought up, didn't their rank insignia include the 13-star seal? The don't have that as part of the rank now.
Though what I really have to wonder about, since they are clearly copying us so much, did they also recently go through a national commander that had to be removed forcibly, and if so did there former commander also start a Brazilian Ranger Corps? ;D
Honestly, it looks like a good program, though it also looks like it's less well known than the real CAP (I find that easier to stomach saying than US CAP). I just wish they didn't make there stealing of ideas so blatant. I mean it's great that the idea spread from America to Brazil, but BPAC, please come up with and use your own traditions and symbols.
Many countries have a "Civil Air Patrol". They do many of the same things our organization does. However, I have never seen any country except Brazil actually "steal" our designs, materials and phrases. Shame on them.
"Many" countries? -- no evidence of that.
^ We had this conversation two years ago in the original Brazilian thread if I recall correctly. Google it!
Plus I put "Civil Air Patrol". You know those things around the words (" "). I was trying to get across that countries have similar organizations like ours.
Doesn't matter........next time I will be more clear.
CORRECTION TO ABOVE POST:
Many countries have organizations like our Civil Air Patrol. They do many of the same things our organizations does. However I have never seen any country except Brazil actually "steal" our designs, materails and phrases. Shame on them.
Australian CAP - strictly search and rescue; cadink program is part of the Australian Air Force Cadets
http://www.auscap.org.au/ - AusCAP
http://www.aafc.org.au/hqaafc/ - AAFC
There is an organization in Colombia that calls itself 'Patrulla Aerea Civil' but their mission (from what I gleaned from their Spanish-only website) is strictly along the lines of medical air transport; something like Angel Flight.
http://patrullaerea.org/ - Patrulla Aerea Civil de Bogota (in Spanish only - I'm fluent in Spanish and understand Portuguese, Italian and French, as they are linguistically similar. I don't speak them as well as Spanish, though.)
Here's the original Spanish and my translation of the mission of the Colombian CAP:
QuoteQuienes Somos
La Patrulla Aérea Civil de Bogotá es una organización privada sin animo de lucro y de carácter humanitario , con más de años 40 años en servicio, cuyo objetivo es brindar su experiencia e infraestructura médico - quirúrgicas a las zonas mas alejadas y pobres de Colombia.
Los Voluntarios
Cada uno de sus voluntarios, idóneos en sus prácticas médicas, participan en las actividades de la Patrulla Aérea en forma gratuita.
En el campo médico, el trabajo de anestesiólogos, cirujanos generales, cirujanos plásticos, citólogos, dermatólogos, ginecólogos, oftalmólogos, ortopedistas, otorrinolaringólogos, pediatras y urólogos, al igual que el esfuerzo de odontólogos, nutricionistas, terapistas, psicólogas, enfermeras, instrumentadoras quirúrgicas y optómetras, ayuda a mejorar la calidad de vida de los habitantes de las comunidades atendidas.
Los pilotos son empresarios y profesionales independientes de reconocida experiencia en la aviación, que sin esperar retribución económica alguna, ponen a disposición sus aeronaves para el transporte de los voluntarios y los materiales necesarios a los lugares escogidos como sede de la brigada, y así lograr una excelente asistencia médica.
Brindar una óptima atención a los pacientes es el resultado de una misión que involucra un trabajo desinteresado y en conjunto.
TRANSLATION FOLLOWS
QuoteWho We Are
The Civil Air Patrol of Bogotá is a private, non-profit organization of a humanitarian character with more than 40 years of service, whose objective is to share its medical and surgical infrastructure to the farthest and poorest zones of Colombia.
The Volunteers
Each of its volunteers, skilled in their medical practice, participate in the activities of the CAP for free.
In the medical field, the jobs of anethesiologists, general surgeons, plastic surgeons, cytologists, dermatologists, gynecologists, opthalmologists, orthopedists, ear nose and throat specialists, pediatricians and urologists, as well as the efforts of dentists, nutritionists, therapists, psychhologists, nurses, surgical technicians and optometrists assisting to better the quality of life of the communities we serve.
The pilots are independent entrepreneurs and professionals with recognized experience in aviation, without expecting any economic reward they place themselves and their aircraft for transporting volunteers and material necessary to the chosen locations as the brigade headquarters, thus achieving excellent medical assistance.
Sharing our best attention to our patients is the result of a mission that is thankless but experienced together.
QuoteMany countries have organizations like our Civil Air Patrol.
No evidence of that. There are a tiny handful at best.
well, I am really sad because I thought we could have a coversation here and discuss what is going on....but some of you dont realize that someone for some reason used your logo and idea about 50 years ago and now some of you wants to blame all the members for what happened... it could work out without any kind of offence. I really want to find out what happened but with your help and I think some of you too. I am brazilian and I am not going to tolerate any kind of offence. owing to that if you keep offending us. I will consider this topic over for me. From now, any questions write to the following address, in english, I am sure the commander will answer you all in english.....
gabinete@pacbrasil.org.br
I will be around ......
unless some of you start being polite...
Quote from: sgt erik on June 19, 2008, 02:24:58 PM
well, I am really sad because I thought we could have a coversation here and discuss what is going on....but some of you dont realize that someone for some reason used your logo and idea about 50 years ago and now some of you wants to blame all the members for what happened... it could work out without any kind of offence. I really want to find out what happened but with your help and I think some of you too. I am brazilian and I am not going to tolerate any kind of offence. owing to that if you keep offending us. I will consider this topic over for me. From now, any questions write to the following address, in english, I am sure the commander will answer you all in english.....
gabinete@pacbrasil.org.br
I will be around ......
unless some of you start being polite...
Sgt Erik,
I can understand your frustration with some of the conversation as I'm sure some of it wasn't what you expected. However, the best thing about forums is that you aren't obligated to reply to the posts you don't like.
I appreciate you coming here and trying to start a conversation regarding the BCAP. I do hope that you stay around and participate in our discussions and ask questions.
I have some questions regarding BCAP that I haven't been able to get from the website.
1) What is their actual mission or purpose?
2) How many members of the organization are there?
3) Does the BCAP provide service to the entire country of Brazil or is it limited to specific regions?
4) Is there any documentation in the form of regulations or training manuals that can be found online?
5) How is the organization structured in terms of units (are they locally manned, regional, etc).
Thank you for your consideration.
I looked up their website one time. Their CAP looks like a cross between our CAP and the Welfare Dept. They apparently spend a lot of their time distributing food to the poor.
I don't think (I may be wrong, here) that Brazil has an extensive general aviation community to draw pilots and airplanes from, and I don't think the BCAP serves as a part of the Brazilian Air Force.
If I'm wrong here, feel free to correct me.
ok, I am going to answer all the question and those that I dont know, I will get in touch with bcap second commander to get the answer. I wiil do my best, even why I am typing from my pocket pc. Well, I have to work now, wnen I come back, I start answering the questions. I will also send those questions and those previous problems we had here to bcap headquarter.
see you...
Sgt erik
Hang in there Buddy, educating people can be difficult, but I have enjoyed your link , it has more depth than many of these yahoo (I want another Medal) discussions. What many people don't realize is Brazil and Mexico were active allies in WW2 and flew squadrons in the war. I for one have a sense of camaraderie with any international organization like ours, because Like our CAP, I bet Brazils has the same type of characters, human is human. However, Brazilian Aviation is Tops in production, I know our airlines love the Brazilian small jet transports.
Quote from: wingnut55 on June 20, 2008, 10:49:20 AM
Sgt erik
Hang in there Buddy, educating people can be difficult, but I have enjoyed your link , it has more depth than many of these yahoo (I want another Medal) discussions. What many people don't realize is Brazil and Mexico were active allies in WW2 and flew squadrons in the war. I for one have a sense of camaraderie with any international organization like ours, because Like our CAP, I bet Brazils has the same type of characters, human is human. However, Brazilian Aviation is Tops in production, I know our airlines love the Brazilian small jet transports.
Wow, I lost track of this thread but it looks like...with the insulating effect of a few years, that some offense was to be had here.
Could it have been that we were all somehow jaundiced by all the affairs of scanal back in the run up to these threads that we trampled an "olive branch?"
Functioning Website...
http://www.cnpac.org.br/index.html
Quote from: AlphaSigOU on June 19, 2008, 02:09:51 AM
Australian CAP - strictly search and rescue; cadink program is part of the Australian Air Force Cadets
http://www.auscap.org.au/ - AusCAP
http://www.aafc.org.au/hqaafc/ - AAFC
There is an organization in Colombia that calls itself 'Patrulla Aerea Civil' but their mission (from what I gleaned from their Spanish-only website) is strictly along the lines of medical air transport; something like Angel Flight.
http://patrullaerea.org/ - Patrulla Aerea Civil de Bogota (in Spanish only - I'm fluent in Spanish and understand Portuguese, Italian and French, as they are linguistically similar. I don't speak them as well as Spanish, though.)
As I surfed the internet one night at Morgan Stanley Trading years ago, I found an Austrialian White Paper on the U.S. Civil Air Patrol. I remember the one quote, and it might have been the Austrialian War College. Its said the CAP was the best Cadet Program in the World.
I have to agree, it really is the best Cadet Program, bar none.
;D ;D ;DSo can we start doing country exchange programs??? haha I will take Iraq if they have one maybe I can do my PD while I am deployed ;D ;D ;D
I actualy wonder in all seriousness what we can learn from other countries CAP type organisastion. I really think the is something National should track and work with. Maybe someone else has a break through on some training or anything that could be great for the international CAP comunity to know.
"Mr. President, there are two Brazilian Civil Air Patrol members to see you."
"I don't have the time, have them come back tomorrow. How may people is a 'brazilian,' anyway?"
;D
I did a presentation to the Bolivian Civil Air Patrol last year. They were hear as part of an exchange program with the MS Nat'l Guard. Very nice folks, they are interested in using our program as a model for theirs.
There's a CAP-like organization in the UK (It even has one or more 182's- and a Gippsland):
http://www.skywatchcivilairpatrol.org.uk/index.html
According to their website, they have links with us.
Perhaps CAP can help put together something like the International Maritime Rescue Federation for CAP-like organizations.
http://www.international-maritime-rescue.org/
I'd been wondering what became of these people since it has been so long. I did a search. They have stopped using the Civil Air Patrol website that they ENTIRELY STOLE, but I found this page. Now they have not only stolen CAP's seal, website, and aircraft pictures (photoshopped), but they've stolen our MEMBERS AND PHOTOSHOPPED THEM!
http://brigadaaeroruralcivil.blogspot.com/
Quote from: JC004 on July 28, 2011, 01:17:02 AM
I'd been wondering what became of these people since it has been so long. I did a search. They have stopped using the Civil Air Patrol website that they ENTIRELY STOLE, but I found this page. Now they have not only stolen CAP's seal, website, and aircraft pictures (photoshopped), but they've stolen our MEMBERS AND PHOTOSHOPPED THEM!
http://brigadaaeroruralcivil.blogspot.com/
Actually, not very cool. They decided to use my wife...
GAH! REALLY?! I figured we'd find someone we knew...
Do let me know how she likes her new insignia? These people are nuts. They couldn't just steal the seal or something....no - they have to steal our airplanes and members!
...and Pilot wings at the bottom...
Though, I've worn grey and whites before, but never got this:
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_xaFhC66rlcA/SrBoZOn9kEI/AAAAAAAAAJc/ds9LsFgwiMc/s1600-h/Festa+183+Limeira+Meninas.jpg)http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_xaFhC66rlcA/SrBoZOn9kEI/AAAAAAAAAJc/ds9LsFgwiMc/s1600-h/Festa+183+Limeira+Meninas.jpg (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_xaFhC66rlcA/SrBoZOn9kEI/AAAAAAAAAJc/ds9LsFgwiMc/s1600-h/Festa+183+Limeira+Meninas.jpg)
...must be the black pants. Yea, that has to be it...
P.S.
Fake testimonial if I ever saw one:
QuoteVisualizar meu perfil completo (http://www.blogger.com/profile/17368432348971210611) (http://img1.blogblog.com/img/icon18_wrench_allbkg.png) (http://www.blogger.com/rearrange?blogID=2468416916575048824&widgetType=Profile&widgetId=Profile1&action=editWidget§ionId=main) 02/10/2009 [size=85%]From[/size]
[size=85%]USA Overseas[/size]
[size=85%]To
General Commandant of
BRIGADA AEREA CIVIL[/size]
Dears Sirs We very much appreciate information off your organization In Brazil. Congratulations for your excellent humanitary services report. We were impressed seing how much people can do when they put their mind in it.We feel honored to know you were inspired by the Civil Air Patrol U.S. We appreciated it so very much.
Congratulations also by the creative and beautiful logo of the Brigade.
We hope you will keep doing this great job.
Best Regards
David Smith
Quote from: jimmydeanno on July 28, 2011, 01:31:43 AM
Actually, not very cool. They decided to use my wife...
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_xaFhC66rlcA/SrBoZOn9kEI/AAAAAAAAAJc/ds9LsFgwiMc/s1600/Festa%2B183%2BLimeira%2BMeninas.jpg)
Which one is she?
This is the funniest thing I've seen in a long time. I bet the whole org is those just those two dudes in the middle. Even the patch on the guy on the right looks like a sticker!
I thought the girls were some kind of Brazilian Hooters girls but I just saw the wings. I'm not sure I want to know.
I love the line "Congratulations also by the creative and beautiful logo of the Brigade." OUR LOGO! OUR PROP, FROM OUR CIVIL DEFENSE. OUR 13 STARS, REPRESENTING OUR 13 ORIGINAL STATES. OUR EAGLE AND SHIELD FROM OUR AIR FORCE. OUR COMMUNICATIONS PATCH ON THIS PARTICULAR LOGO VERSION.
I'm a little confused by the difference between this logo and the other one they have. Plus they have OUR wings and OUR cadets/senior members.
http://twitter.com/CNPAC/status/26039922221649921
http://patrulhaaereabrasil.wordpress.com/2011/03/20/11/
Quote from: jimmydeanno on July 28, 2011, 01:31:43 AM
Actually, not very cool. They decided to use my wife...
Use the "Report Abuse" link at the top of the page. Blogspot is Google is a US company. I'm sure you can get some action taken.
Anyone else see the blurs on the gut and butt of the older gent? Bwahaha.
Also some weird effects on the gut of the younger guy.
And the legs of the girl next to the older guy are missing. Send them Photoshop help first.
This is pretty strange. What's their angle?
Quote from: AirDX on July 28, 2011, 02:53:22 AM
Quote from: jimmydeanno on July 28, 2011, 01:31:43 AM
Actually, not very cool. They decided to use my wife...
Use the "Report Abuse" link at the top of the page. Blogspot is Google is a US company. I'm sure you can get some action taken.
The only thing that is viable on their list of offenses is copyright infringement and Google only accepts copyright complaints in the form of a DMCA notice from the copyright holder (CAP/NHQ or CAP-USAF/NHQ I would presume).
Maybe Col. Weiss or Lt. Col. Lee can make something happen on this?
I wondered where TP's Ranger corps had disappeared to.
Quote from: AirDX on July 28, 2011, 03:00:24 AM
And the legs of the girl next to the older guy are missing. Send them Photoshop help first.
They're there - just difficult to see.
I found their "Commanding General of Operations." Problem is I only speak English... http://twitter.com/oficialdimas
This is nuts. It's one thing to be inspired by an organization. It's another thing to steal their entire website as they had done a couple years ago, their logo, pictures of their aircraft, and ACTUAL PHOTOGRAPHS of their members! I swear, someone in Brazil just wants to screw with CAP...
Quote from: JC004 on July 28, 2011, 03:08:13 AM
I found their "Commanding General of Operations." Problem is I only speak English... http://twitter.com/oficialdimas
Quote@CivilAirPatrol The Brazil need our Civil Air Patrol. See 500 death in Rio de Janeiro disaster.
???
Might be worth are leadership to contact the STATE DEPARTMENT to ask the Brazilian Govt to tell them to knock it off!
We could fly down with some Hawk Mountain Rangers and kick some butt.
Quote from: eaker.cadet on July 28, 2011, 03:17:45 AM
We could fly down with some Hawk Mountain Rangers and kick some butt.
I'll volunteer to make the ranger rolls.
This is a rough translation (through an internet translator) of their about section on facebook:
THE P.A. C is a Force Helping to rescue this in several countries in the World, created in the United States at the beginning of the 2ND World War (Creation that after the end of the 2ND War gave rise to other Countries), England, Germany, Japan, Colombia
(http://translation.babylon.com/portuguese/to-english/)
???
Yea, they try hard to relate to US, even though there are no real links.
well their story from a couple years ago was a former CAP member started it. Either way, there's no international group of CAPs and they don't get to use CAP's seal, website design, aircraft, and members - even if there were some association.
Quote from: JC004 on July 28, 2011, 03:08:13 AM
I found their "Commanding General of Operations." Problem is I only speak English... http://twitter.com/oficialdimas
Dimas looks like he is about 14.
More fun, some of it old...
http://capblog.typepad.com/capblog/2005/03/cap_to_adopt_ne.html
Dear members of the CAP-USAF,
I am Captain of Brazilian CAP (Civil Aerial Patrol). Here in the Brazil we have problems of identification with the authorities as well as yours. With an aggravating one that in the Brazil we are not on here the BAF - Brazilian Air Force, qua makes it difficult our work still more.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Civil-Air-Patrol-Brazil/170306393026280
I was more amused by:
QuoteDid anyone look closely at the expression on Maj. Dovers face in the sample? It looks like he just found out why everyone keeps calling him Ben :)
Posted by: Al Sayre | March 29, 2006 at 09:33
QuoteMr. Matthew Dover is really my old buddy Leo Burke from MI Wing. The original name on the card was "Benajmin Dover" and once CAP appoved that card style to go to the AF, Leo got cold feet and changed the name to Matthew Dover to preclude problems if someone on the Air Staff caught the joke and said "Alright, you smartasses..."
:)
Posted by: NIN | March 29, 2006 at 11:06
They're even stealing our smarta** remarks!
Hey I've got a great idea. Somebody send them a good image of the triangle thingy and ask them why they aren't using the current insignia. They can adopt it and we can get rid of it due to brand recognition and them using it...
Quote from: Al Sayre on July 28, 2011, 12:22:36 PM
Hey I've got a great idea. Somebody send them a good image of the triangle thingy and ask them why they aren't using the current insignia. They can adopt it and we can get rid of it due to brand recognition and them using it...
o.O.
Brilliant!
DING DING DING
Odd, when I Googled "Brazilian" these guys didn't appear. ;)
Try Brazilian Civil Air Patrol, and they come up including a UTube video.
In general, it probably would be a good idea for CAP to assist other countries in developing CAP-like organizations. CG Aux does a fair bit of that.
Quote from: JC004 on July 28, 2011, 03:33:02 AM
well their story from a couple years ago was a former CAP member started it. Either way, there's no international group of CAPs and they don't get to use CAP's seal, website design, aircraft, and members - even if there were some association.
So why aren't the legal eagles at NHQ pursing copyright infringment on the insignia like they went after all the uniform companies and insignia manufacturers? Does NHQ get a cut from every badge or insignia ordered by the Brazil folks?
Honestly, it's great that such a similar organization can flourish there, but.....
International conventions or not, international is still a big hurdle. I don't know what the solution is. If it was a legit organization, CAP NHQ could just call (on Skype, please. I'm paying for this.), yell at them loudly in their own language with scary legal words, and demand the photos be removed, etc. But if it was a legit organization, they wouldn't be using photos of OUR members for their own.
If Brazil is in IACE I WANA GO! ESCORT DUTY! Guys they can use our Logo and Website, I dont have a problem with it at all. I think National HQ could charge a Franchise Fee, but no, that would be making money!
LOL.. they got the one cadet photo from 39-1, too.. you know, they look so incredibly badly 'shopped it's not even funny. Surely people in that actual organization can't be thrilled with that hack look.
Or.. maybe it's all just a web game, and doesn't really exist. :)
In any case, OTOH, even they must hate TTT. Because they have not swiped it.
Quote from: Eclipse on July 28, 2011, 02:49:53 AM
Quote from: jimmydeanno on July 28, 2011, 01:31:43 AM
Actually, not very cool. They decided to use my wife...
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_xaFhC66rlcA/SrBoZOn9kEI/AAAAAAAAAJc/ds9LsFgwiMc/s1600/Festa%2B183%2BLimeira%2BMeninas.jpg)
Which one is she?
This is the funniest thing I've seen in a long time. I bet the whole org is those just those two dudes in the middle. Even the patch on the guy on the right looks like a sticker!
Hubba hubba!
Quote from: Capination on August 26, 2011, 03:04:45 AM
Quote from: Eclipse on July 28, 2011, 02:49:53 AM
Quote from: jimmydeanno on July 28, 2011, 01:31:43 AM
Actually, not very cool. They decided to use my wife...
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_xaFhC66rlcA/SrBoZOn9kEI/AAAAAAAAAJc/ds9LsFgwiMc/s1600/Festa%2B183%2BLimeira%2BMeninas.jpg)
Which one is she?
This is the funniest thing I've seen in a long time. I bet the whole org is those just those two dudes in the middle. Even the patch on the guy on the right looks like a sticker!
Hubba hubba!
Now thats a recruiting poster!
If those are cadets, many of us are officially now doomed to hell.....See ya there!
Major Lord
Quote from: Eclipse on July 28, 2011, 02:49:53 AM
Which one is she?
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_xaFhC66rlcA/SpNB0MUV74I/AAAAAAAAAB4/9DBCmMIUwF4/s320/Mulheres++BARC+Social+Redz+Blogg.jpg)
Left and Right Flanks. It looks like they grabbed her picture from an Air Force Times article that was written about her circa 2003.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_xaFhC66rlcA/SqWxAePVsLI/AAAAAAAAAIk/h-TEGYP9w2Y/S240/Jovens+BARC+Redz+Blogg.jpg)
The woman second from the left is Charlene Shidisky (first photo), who passed away on April 24, 2010. She was a member of the Langley Composite Squadron (MER-VA-025) when that photo was taken. She and several of the squadron members are in the 39-1.
THESE PEOPLE NEED TO GIVE IT UP!!! Did your wife get out of the USAF and move to Brazil? >:D
Quote from: sgt erik on June 18, 2008, 08:59:57 AM
I would like you all to know that the official brazilian civil air patrol web site is www.pacbrasil.org.br (http://www.pacbrasil.org.br) and not www.pacmirasol (http://www.pacmirasol) as someone said. Anything you want to know about the brazilian cap, please ask me or get in touch with the brazilian cap official website. I will be very glad to answer any question....
Message icon - MIKE
Erick,
Não sei se sou especialista nestes assuntos diplomáticos, mas estou sendo a partir de agora, Acho que eles não estão de fato colaborando, pena ter passado 2 anos ou quem sabe melhor assim, seguirei daqui por diante em teu apoio, e em defesa de nossa Patrulha Aérea Civil, meu Ir.'. conte com nosso apoio!
+55 (19) 9286-7607 / dimasluciano@gmail.com
Of. Dimas L. R. Ferreira
O-3CGO / PAC-BRASIL
Comandante Geral de Operações / Representante Designado Procuradoria Geral da União
REPÚBLICA FEDERATIVA DO BRASIL
Quote from: DFerreira on June 01, 2012, 09:23:03 AM
Quote from: sgt erik on June 18, 2008, 08:59:57 AM
I would like you all to know that the official brazilian civil air patrol web site is www.pacbrasil.org.br (http://www.pacbrasil.org.br) and not www.pacmirasol (http://www.pacmirasol) as someone said. Anything you want to know about the brazilian cap, please ask me or get in touch with the brazilian cap official website. I will be very glad to answer any question....
Message icon - MIKE
Erick,
Não sei se sou especialista nestes assuntos diplomáticos, mas estou sendo a partir de agora, Acho que eles não estão de fato colaborando, pena ter passado 2 anos ou quem sabe melhor assim, seguirei daqui por diante em teu apoio, e em defesa de nossa Patrulha Aérea Civil, meu Ir.'. conte com nosso apoio!
+55 (19) 9286-7607 / dimasluciano@gmail.com
Of. Dimas L. R. Ferreira
O-3CGO / PAC-BRASIL
Comandante Geral de Operações / Representante Designado Procuradoria Geral da União
REPÚBLICA FEDERATIVA DO BRASIL
Quote from: Senor FerreiraI do not know if I am a specialist in these diplomatic subjects, but I am from now on. I think that there has been some misinformation, and it grieves me that it has been 2 years. I will follow from here, and in defense of our Civil Air Patrol!
Quote from: jimmydeanno on August 26, 2011, 07:36:31 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on July 28, 2011, 02:49:53 AM
Which one is she?
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_xaFhC66rlcA/SpNB0MUV74I/AAAAAAAAAB4/9DBCmMIUwF4/s320/Mulheres++BARC+Social+Redz+Blogg.jpg)
Left and Right Flanks. It looks like they grabbed her picture from an Air Force Times article that was written about her circa 2003.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_xaFhC66rlcA/SqWxAePVsLI/AAAAAAAAAIk/h-TEGYP9w2Y/S240/Jovens+BARC+Redz+Blogg.jpg)
The woman second from the left is Charlene Shidisky (first photo), who passed away on April 24, 2010. She was a member of the Langley Composite Squadron (MER-VA-025) when that photo was taken. She and several of the squadron members are in the 39-1.
People in Brazil actually fall for that photoshopped garbage?