Ok, take that back. Rather I will modify it.

The argument over whether to use Velcro or sew it or pin it is rather like saying wear boxer or other style of underwear. 39-1 does not state which style to wear!

Flyer

Quote from: Eclipse on February 20, 2013, 02:36:14 PM

Quote from: flyer333555 on February 20, 2013, 02:29:24 PM
39-1 does not say that we shall wear briefs under our trousers, but I will bet that 99.99999% of our members do.

Yes, it does.

No, it states "appropriate" undergarments are mandatory.

Actually, it depends on whether we are talking male or female uniforms.  Female uniforms have a specification in several places.

But the general indication is going "commando" is verboten.

There's no such leeway with Velcro on BDU's, which I'm sorry, is unnecessary and somewhat of an affectation.  It also requires
you do to twice the sewing, and if an insignia is missing, leaves a nice, ugle patch of 1-side of Velcro in its place (seen that).

I have never used Velcro for BDU's, and have never had a problem with the blue/white bleeding together.

I use Velcro on my blue flight suit, and that's simply because the leather nameplate attaches with it, so I have my other patches Velcro'd for consistency.  I wear the navy-blue background railway tracks sewn on.

I also have Velcro for my black A-2.  If I want to go somewhere for an "extended period beyond 30 minutes" after a meeting, all I have to do is take the CAP shield and leather nameplate off and hey presto, civilian jacket.

Quote from: Eclipse on February 20, 2013, 03:22:21 PM
There's no such leeway with Velcro on BDU's, which I'm sorry, is unnecessary and somewhat of an affectation.  It also requires
you do to twice the sewing, and if an insignia is missing, leaves a nice, ugle patch of 1-side of Velcro in its place (seen that).

At the end of the day, this is the answer.  If you're putting Velcro on your BDUs, you're doing so to be the "cool guy" and you're wrong.  If your blue cloth is bleeding onto the white embroidery, then you're doing something wrong.  Like I said, I've been in CAP 25 years and have NEVER had that happen to me, nor have I ever seen it happen to anyone else.  I think you're just looking for excuses to do use Velcro, plain and simple, it's silly.

The KB can tell you it's okay, but if there is a lack of guidance in 39-1 as far as Velcro, then it simply should not be assumed that it's cool to affix patches/insignia to BDUs via Velcro.  It's silly, unnecessary, and not cool.  /topic

Based on this thread, I am confident that the NUC is aware of the issue and will issue clear guidance one way or another concerning Velcro (tm reg) attachment of insignia, badges, and devices to duty uniforms in the 39-1 revision.

Which is nearing completion.

Till then, feel free to argue, but always follow your command guidance.

Despite what I said about Velcro, I have never used it on BDUs, only on the coats when these used to use the wing patch. Now that it is not worn, I see no need for the Velcro on these coats...

I believe there is no need on Velcro on the BDUs as there is no need to "sanitize" this uniform. There is no need to wear BDUs as a civilian unless you are a hunter.

And I have worn the BDUs for 12 years, with no bleeding of blue into white of the insignias. The white may have faded slightly, but no bleeding...

Flyer

I'm going to go back to the original post question, and put my vote in for observer wings/jump wings. Both aeronautically related badges. Put them on your flightsuit nameplate, too.

Quote from: Hawk200 on February 20, 2013, 05:33:30 PM
Put them on your flightsuit nameplate, too.

That goes without saying 

Quote from: Hawk200 on February 20, 2013, 05:33:30 PM
I'm going to go back to the original post question, and put my vote in for observer wings/jump wings.

I concur

Quote from: flyboy1 on February 18, 2013, 02:28:10 AM

Quote from: Pylon on February 17, 2013, 08:09:24 PM
Wings over wings (Observer over Lead Sleds)!

Quote from: ol'fido on February 17, 2013, 03:48:56 PM
I would go with Observer wings over Airborne. I like the dichotomy of CAP and Military.

Me too!

I wear observer over USAF Security Forces qualification badge (yes, I wear the old one that I was issued)

I wear the O wings over the Army Aviator wings, hope that's okay! (Sorry i'm not qualified for the GT)

I'd go with the Observer wings over the jump wings. I did not pay $4.50 for a set of jump wings, I earned them! Because of that, and over 250 jumps, including HALO jumps from over 30,000 feet, (good thing I did not get a HALO badge, they were not invented when I got my wings), I am now 100% service connected disabled. I have a hard time keeping up with cadets, but I try.

There must be a reason CAP authorizes military aviation badges!

I do put my CAP pilot wings over my jump wings, because in the military, that's how it's done.

Huey, I think what we do now should take precedence!

Quote from: CAPM 39-1 Table 6-2.US Military Aviation Badge (Awarded in writing by competent authority.) centered 1/2 inch above the pocket or ribbons on the left breast. CAP aviation badges are worn 1/2 inch above military badges.

See, CAP does it the right way. Why are military ribbons worn above CAP ribbons?

 Are they talking about military badges (I remember when occupational badges came out, we couldn't tell if they were jumpers or not), or military aviation badges?

ETA: Jumping was our occupation, though. I guess badges are badges! But we called them wings!

The parachutist badge is listed as an aeronautical rating in the AFI's.  That's why it isn't listed specifically in CAPM 39-1 but the Air Assault badge is.

Quote from: Duke Dillio on March 04, 2013, 11:59:26 PM
The parachutist badge is listed as an aeronautical rating in the AFI's.  That's why it isn't listed specifically in CAPM 39-1 but the Air Assault badge is.

This has been changed. They are no longer considered an aeronautical badge, but do take precedence over all other non-aeronautical badges.

Quote from: AC on March 04, 2013, 05:47:18 PM
I'd go with the Observer wings over the jump wings. I did not pay $4.50 for a set of jump wings, I earned them! Because of that, and over 250 jumps, including HALO jumps from over 30,000 feet, (good thing I did not get a HALO badge, they were not invented when I got my wings), I am now 100% service connected disabled. I have a hard time keeping up with cadets, but I try.

There must be a reason CAP authorizes military aviation badges!

I do put my CAP pilot wings over my jump wings, because in the military, that's how it's done.

Huey, I think what we do now should take precedence!

If you had FF/MFF qualifications prior to the badge approval in 1998, submit a DD215 and have them added. AFI 11-402 states " 7. Personnel who obtain MFF qualifications prior to March 1998 are authorized to wear the MFF badges without submitting an application."

Well, that was way back in 1967 when I became qualified. Jumpers I know now, on active duty and recently retired, wear both. Where would I wear them anyway? CAP would have a reg about them too.

Quote from: AC on March 05, 2013, 03:25:47 AM
Well, that was way back in 1967 when I became qualified. Jumpers I know now, on active duty and recently retired, wear both. Where would I wear them anyway? CAP would have a reg about them too.

They would be worn below your Master Airborne Wings, or in lieu of them if you choose to wear your Observer wings. MFF wings in white on ultramarine.... talk about street cred!