Non locking thread- hopefully.

[Major Lord]

All I want for Christmas is for CAP to be called "Civil Air Patrol", not "U.S. Civil Air Patrol" and for the American flag patch to not be worn on the BDU for CAP because that's an Army thing and CAP isin't the auxiliary of the Army. 

Maledicat Dominus; vade retro  Listen up, "One note Charlie" give it a rest.  vade retro 

God Curse him? Get behind?

Capt. Lord

[RogueLeader]

Have any Seniors gone- or will go- to an encampment this summer?

[Major Lord]

I will be staffing the Cadet Survival School, which replaces the Advanced Training Flight, of the CAWG encampment. We will party like it's 1999!

Capt. Lord

[RogueLeader]

What position are you staffing?

[SARMedTech]

All I want for Christmas is for CAP to be called "Civil Air Patrol", not "U.S. Civil Air Patrol" and for the American flag patch to not be worn on the BDU for CAP because that's an Army thing and CAP isin't the auxiliary of the Army. 

Maledicat Dominus; vade retro  Listen up, "One note Charlie" give it a rest.  vade retro 

God Curse him? Get behind?

Capt. Lord

Actually, Im pretty sure that the American Flag is an American thing. I wear one on my EMS uniforms and m wildfire helmet, my fire fighter friends wear them on their helmets and work uniforms, my LEO father wore one for 37 years on his uniform and sleeve and there is one flying in my front yard. Im pretty sure my house isnt an Army base. Get over it, kiddo.

[Eagle400]

Actually, Im pretty sure that the American Flag is an American thing. I wear one on my EMS uniforms and m wildfire helmet, my fire fighter friends wear them on their helmets and work uniforms, my LEO father wore one for 37 years on his uniform and sleeve and there is one flying in my front yard. Im pretty sure my house isnt an Army base. Get over it, kiddo.

Then please explain to me why the Air Force, Navy, Marine Corps and Coast Guard don't wear the American flag on their BDUs.  I believe it's because the uniform it patriotic enough without the American flag.  The only reason the Army wears the American flag on the BDU is because of tactical reasons.  CAP has no tactical reason to wear the American flag patch on the BDU. 

Wearing the American flag on a BDU that represents both the Air Force and CAP is like wearing an American flag pin on the blues.  It's patriotic, but not proper.  The uniform itself is patriotic enough.

Also, SARMedTech, your argument about police and firefighters and EMTs wearing the American flag patch holds no water because CAP is not the auxiliary of the any police dept, fire dept, or EMT dept.  CAP is the auxiliary of the USAF, and the USAF does not wear the American flag on the BDU.

Finally, with "U.S. Civil Air Patrol" on the branch tape, there's no reason to wear the American flag patch on the CAP BDU.  The "U.S." does a good enough job identifying the wearer as American.     

[Skyray]

You guys would rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic as she was slipping beneath the waves.

[RogueLeader]

Actually, Im pretty sure that the American Flag is an American thing. I wear one on my EMS uniforms and m wildfire helmet, my fire fighter friends wear them on their helmets and work uniforms, my LEO father wore one for 37 years on his uniform and sleeve and there is one flying in my front yard. Im pretty sure my house isnt an Army base. Get over it, kiddo.

Then please explain to me why the Air Force, Navy, Marine Corps and Coast Guard don't wear the American flag on their BDUs.  I believe it's because the uniform it patriotic enough without the American flag.  The only reason the Army wears the American flag on the BDU is because of tactical reasons.  CAP has no tactical reason to wear the American flag patch on the BDU. 

Wearing the American flag on a BDU that represents both the Air Force and CAP is like wearing an American flag pin on the blues.  It's patriotic, but not proper.  The uniform itself is patriotic enough.

Also, SARMedTech, your argument about police and firefighters and EMTs wearing the American flag patch holds no water because CAP is not the auxiliary of the any police dept, fire dept, or EMT dept.  CAP is the auxiliary of the USAF, and the USAF does not wear the American flag on the BDU.

Finally, with "U.S. Civil Air Patrol" on the branch tape, there's no reason to wear the American flag patch on the CAP BDU.  The "U.S." does a good enough job identifying the wearer as American.     

I really think that we have beat this dead horse long enough.  It is a regulation.  If it really bothers you that much, rejoin and submit a proposal up the Chain of Command.  I'm fairly sure that most of us are sick and tired of hearing of it. 
As a counter to your view, I think that we should have flags on BOTH shoulders.  I felt this way BEFORE Flags were required.

[Eagle400]

I really think that we have beat this dead horse long enough.  It is a regulation.  If it really bothers you that much, rejoin and submit a proposal up the Chain of Command.  I'm fairly sure that most of us are sick and tired of hearing of it. 
As a counter to your view, I think that we should have flags on BOTH shoulders.  I felt this way BEFORE Flags were required.

If the Air Force did it, I'd have no problem with CAP doing the same.  Simple. 

[RogueLeader]

Drop it or DO something about it. STOP talking about it. Period.

[SARMedTech]

I really think that we have beat this dead horse long enough.  It is a regulation.  If it really bothers you that much, rejoin and submit a proposal up the Chain of Command.  I'm fairly sure that most of us are sick and tired of hearing of it. 
As a counter to your view, I think that we should have flags on BOTH shoulders.  I felt this way BEFORE Flags were required.

If the Air Force did it, I'd have no problem with CAP doing the same.  Simple. 

Youre not even in the organization yet. Join up and then start sending your complaints up the chain. The AF doesnt wear ultramarine tapes either, but we do. To my knowledge, no other branch of the service wear ultramarine tapes, but we do. Get over it.

[RogueLeader]

Anybody going to an encampment this year?

[SARMedTech]

Anybody going to an encampment this year?

Why no, LT, I will not have the privilege of attending encampment. Will you be going and if so in what capacity? 

[RogueLeader]

Sorry no, my change in life precludes me from attending.  I do, however look foreward to participating in the future.

[Eagle400]

Youre not even in the organization yet. Join up and then start sending your complaints up the chain. The AF doesnt wear ultramarine tapes either, but we do. To my knowledge, no other branch of the service wear ultramarine tapes, but we do. Get over it.

That's not what I was referring to.  You need to go back and read what was written. 

[flyguy06]

All I want for Christmas is for CAP to be called "Civil Air Patrol", not "U.S. Civil Air Patrol" and for the American flag patch to not be worn on the BDU for CAP because that's an Army thing and CAP isin't the auxiliary of the Army. 

Maledicat Dominus; vade retro  Listen up, "One note Charlie" give it a rest.  vade retro 

God Curse him? Get behind?

Capt. Lord

Actually, Im pretty sure that the American Flag is an American thing. I wear one on my EMS uniforms and m wildfire helmet, my fire fighter friends wear them on their helmets and work uniforms, my LEO father wore one for 37 years on his uniform and sleeve and there is one flying in my front yard. Im pretty sure my house isnt an Army base. Get over it, kiddo.

No, its an Army thing. We are referencing the military services since thats what CAP is supposed to be an auxillary of. We are not talking about civilian organizations like EMS, fire or police.

As far as the military is concerned, the Army is the ONLY serivce thatwears a American flag in the CONUS. The Air Force does not so I am inclined to agree that we should not do this practice.

[RogueLeader]

We did, the subject is long over. DROP IT!!!! MOVE ON!!! If you can't, kindly refrain from posting on this thread. We are TIRED of talking about it.  Your opinion is known, you have nothing more to explain on it or you would have already.  IF you want it to change NOW-- rejoin and send a petition up the Chain of Command, IF you chose not to, let it drop and be done with it.

[RiverAux]

Here's a thread that can flow and change as the conversation goes.  Just don't say anything you would be embarassed about if posts are questionable.

Sorry Rogue, even though I generally support the wishes of the thread starter in regards to thread drift, you dug your own grave when you opened with the above. 

[RogueLeader]

True, but there comes a point when a topic is soooo dead that only GOD himself can revive it.  The American Patch is one of those topics that has reached that point.  I also feel that there is a chance that the continued spread of that topic into this thread will cause it to close.  That is the ONE thing that I do not want to happen, and if I have to admonish a person to do so, I will.  If you notice, I did so in a polite, yet firm way, here and other places to drop it.  He hasn't so I feel the need to be more firm.

[RogueLeader]

Not to mention the conversation had moved away, he reintroduced a topic, it didn't drift there.  There is no connection between the encampment conversation and the Flags.