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Started by ♠SARKID♠, December 06, 2007, 05:56:35 PM

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♠SARKID♠

I heard that CAP used to have para-rescuers way way way back when.  Does anybody have any history on that?

Duke Dillio

Go look at the mountain's website.  They have a little bit of history on airborne CAP types.  Colgan, tell him where the link is....   hehehe

mikeylikey

They still do depending on what special activities you may go to. 
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SJFedor

This is only hear-say, but I believe it was one of those PAWG things where former Army Airborne troopers were doing air drops into a potential SAR area. I don't know if they actually used it on a true SAR mission though, or just did it in training.

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JayT

Quote from: ♠SARKID♠ on December 06, 2007, 05:56:35 PM
I heard that CAP used to have para-rescuers way way way back when.  Does anybody have any history on that?

During World War II, there was some 'para units,' I don't recall they were ever used in that way through.
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Flying Pig

Ahhhh....this is the age ol' question of the CAP Airborne, CAP Paratroopers, CAP SAR Jumpers was one I heard about too.  We were asking this question when I was a cadet, and even then, the only answers out there were "Well, I heard once....."

The answer I got at a Cadet Conference many years ago was that there was a Wing who had some CAP members who jumped on their own and tried to incorporate it into CAP in some way, but it never panned out.  Id like to see what really happened, if anything.

mikeylikey

It was a PAWG thing that never worked out.  A couple of wacky Capers used thier own planes and pushed members out the door.  The infamous creator of the Hawk Mountain was the ring leader.  Glad it did not work out.  Also glad we are only left with Hawk MTN and none of his other wacky creations. 
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SAR-EMT1

I never knew about a Hawk-Para program.

However, In the 1940's there was a Group in the Pacific Northwest trained as an early version of the Forest Service's Smokejumpers. (Wildland-firefighters, deployed by parachute)

Program started as part of the Forest Patrols. Idea was that if a CAP patrol found a fire then the guys would take off, parachute out and do battle with the beast. 

Never used for a real fire though. Program disbanded when the war ended.

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Quote from: SAR-EMT1 on December 06, 2007, 11:36:24 PM
However, In the 1940's there was a Group in the Pacific Northwest trained as an early version of the Forest Service's Smokejumpers. (Wildland-firefighters, deployed by parachute)

The first organzed use of para's for Smoke Jumpers was the 555 Parachute Infantry Battalion (PIB), the first all-black Army unit.  Unlike the other segregated units, 555 PIB also had black officers.  See http://www.triplenickle.com/ and the links off of that page for more info.
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JCW0312

Quote from: mikeylikey on December 06, 2007, 10:54:07 PM
A couple of wacky Capers used thier own planes and pushed members out the door. 

Any reason we couldn't still do this on occasion when it's obvious it would benefit CAP? >:D
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PhoenixRisen

Quote from: JCW0312 on December 07, 2007, 02:41:55 AM
Quote from: mikeylikey on December 06, 2007, 10:54:07 PM
A couple of wacky Capers used thier own planes and pushed members out the door. 

Any reason we couldn't still do this on occasion when it's obvious it would benefit CAP? >:D

Where do I sign up?    ;D

LittleIronPilot

Quote from: mikeylikey on December 06, 2007, 10:54:07 PM
It was a PAWG thing that never worked out.  A couple of wacky Capers used thier own planes and pushed members out the door.  The infamous creator of the Hawk Mountain was the ring leader.  Glad it did not work out.  Also glad we are only left with Hawk MTN and none of his other wacky creations. 

huh????? As a former Paratrooper myself I would LOVE the idea! Than again I guess I am wacky....I also plan on attending Hawk Mountain sometime in the near future.

I am a pilot, and am working towards MP status, however even in my short time in the CAP I see a serious lack of true woodland, over-the-land, humping and navigating skills on the ground teams. Heck most of them in my area are one adult and a bunch of cadets running around (BTW, not a slam at the cadets at all), what I am getting at is that the GT portion of what CAP does seems to get a lot less attention even from National. This is funny considering in SLS one thing that is stressed as one of the strongest points of CAP is our air-to-ground capabilities.


Duke Dillio

Hmmm, found this for all's enjoyment from CAPR 52-16, para. 1-4d:

Quoted. Parachuting & Ultralight Vehicles. Cadets may not parachute, para-sail or engage in similar activities at a CAP activity. Flying ultralights, aerolights or any similar vehicle is also prohibited at CAP activities (see CAPR 60-1, CAP Flight Management).

Doesn't say anything about senior members parachuting at CAP activities.....

But *sigh*, CAPR 60-1, para. 2-4c specifically prohibits the use of CAP aircraft in "parachuting activities."

But it doesn't say anything about CAP senior members jumping from member owned aircraft during non-CAP activities...   >:D

jimmydeanno

Quote from: sargrunt on December 07, 2007, 02:14:56 PM
Hmmm, found this for all's enjoyment from CAPR 52-16, para. 1-4d:

Quoted. Parachuting & Ultralight Vehicles. Cadets may not parachute, para-sail or engage in similar activities at a CAP activity. Flying ultralights, aerolights or any similar vehicle is also prohibited at CAP activities (see CAPR 60-1, CAP Flight Management).

Doesn't say anything about senior members parachuting at CAP activities.....

But *sigh*, CAPR 60-1, para. 2-4c specifically prohibits the use of CAP aircraft in "parachuting activities."

But it doesn't say anything about CAP senior members jumping from member owned aircraft during non-CAP activities...   >:D

You should ask NIN about parachuting at CAP activities, he's has some experience in that arena...
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Duke Dillio

^who's NIN?  Did he get into some sort of trouble over the issue?  I know that there was an incident regarding some "unauthorized" rappelling during an ES mission....

jimmydeanno

Quote from: sargrunt on December 07, 2007, 02:22:50 PM
^who's NIN?  Did he get into some sort of trouble over the issue?  I know that there was an incident regarding some "unauthorized" rappelling during an ES mission....

Darrin Ninness (screen name "NIN"), he likes to parachute into encampments for the enjoyment of the cadets for part of the AE requirements.  No, no trouble, but I'm sure he could explain the process should you choose to sky-dive into your next squadron meeting.
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JCW0312

Quote from: PhoenixCadet on December 07, 2007, 02:51:45 AM
Quote from: JCW0312 on December 07, 2007, 02:41:55 AM
Quote from: mikeylikey on December 06, 2007, 10:54:07 PM
A couple of wacky Capers used thier own planes and pushed members out the door. 

Any reason we couldn't still do this on occasion when it's obvious it would benefit CAP? >:D

Where do I sign up?    ;D

I meant without parachutes. We'll start with those who consistently suggest CAP members be able to wear berets.  ;)
Jon Williams, 2d Lt, CAP
Memphis Belle Memorial Squadron
SER-TN-144

JC004

well, we do have these...




PhoenixRisen

Quote from: JCW0312 on December 07, 2007, 02:58:11 PM
Quote from: PhoenixCadet on December 07, 2007, 02:51:45 AM
Quote from: JCW0312 on December 07, 2007, 02:41:55 AM
Quote from: mikeylikey on December 06, 2007, 10:54:07 PM
A couple of wacky Capers used thier own planes and pushed members out the door. 

Any reason we couldn't still do this on occasion when it's obvious it would benefit CAP? >:D

Where do I sign up?    ;D

I meant without parachutes. We'll start with those who consistently suggest CAP members be able to wear berets.  ;)

Why do we even NEED the parachutes?  Lets just wear the berets!  We'll call ourselves the.... uh, Special Airborne Rescue (SAR) Force.   ;D


mikeylikey

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