Quote from: AlphaSigOU on July 30, 2010, 02:42:50 PM
Make sure you have the other requirements taken care of: CPPT, EO and ORM Basic. Also make sure your commander or PDO gets you credit for the Tech rating in CP and the Yeager.
Since you are under 21, once you've completed Level I you're eligible for TFO, which converts to 1st Lt after you turn 21.
Sign up for the CAP Officer Basic Course and take SLS/CLC whenever it's offered. And don't forget TLC, since it's required for a senior rating in CP.
Quote from: bte on July 30, 2010, 04:48:14 PM
(Note: ORM basic is not part of Level I.)
Quote from: bte on July 30, 2010, 04:48:14 PM
As a Mitchell cadet, you are exempt from the Foundations portion of Level I. You already have CPPT, and I assume OPSEC. The only thing left is Equal Opportunity (EO). You do that online. If you have all of these done before you submit your CAPF 12 and fingerprint card, NHQ should update your record when your application is processed. (Note: ORM basic is not part of Level I.)
As an Earhart cadet, you are eligible for a Tech rating in CP. See CAPR 50-17 para. 9-1.
You are also eligible for a grade of TFO until you turn 21. Note that this is at the discretion of the SQ/CC. See CAPR 35-5 Section G.
Quote from: USAFaux2004 on July 30, 2010, 02:33:04 PMThat said, I've taken the Level I quizzes (total of 6, correct?), and will be bringing those with me to the unit when I get my fingerprinting and other stuff done.As a cadet you don't have to do the foundations course at all. You are over 18 I assume so you have already had CPP. I think all you have to do is drop your application and fingerprint card and you are set.
I've also taken the Yeager test - passed. :)
What other tests are SMs required/should take?
P.S. As my signature shows, I have the Earhart, so there's some benefit regarding Cadet Programs PD.
Quote from: USAFaux2004 on July 30, 2010, 05:51:04 PM
You have a cite for it?
Quote from: Spaceman3750 on July 30, 2010, 05:46:55 PMYou may have done it at the same time, but it isn't included in Level 1.Quote from: bte on July 30, 2010, 04:48:14 PM
(Note: ORM basic is not part of Level I.)
When did that happen??? I remember very very vividly doing ORM when I did Level 1 not a year ago...
Quote from: USAFaux2004 on July 30, 2010, 05:51:04 PMQuote from: bte on July 30, 2010, 04:48:14 PM
As a Mitchell cadet, you are exempt from the Foundations portion of Level I. You already have CPPT, and I assume OPSEC. The only thing left is Equal Opportunity (EO). You do that online. If you have all of these done before you submit your CAPF 12 and fingerprint card, NHQ should update your record when your application is processed. (Note: ORM basic is not part of Level I.)
As an Earhart cadet, you are eligible for a Tech rating in CP. See CAPR 50-17 para. 9-1.
You are also eligible for a grade of TFO until you turn 21. Note that this is at the discretion of the SQ/CC. See CAPR 35-5 Section G.
Foundations...as in the 6 little quizzes I took? I knew it! Just didn't look it up before printing it out. You have a cite for it? Save some time for the SMs processing this, and myself at the meeting.
QuoteCAP allows exceptions for the following:
a. Former CAP cadets transferring to senior member status, provided they earned the Mitchell Award or higher and have less than a 2-year membership break prior to assuming senior member status. However, they still must complete Cadet Protection Program Training (CPPT) and OPSEC training (if not already completed), as well as EO Training. In this case, units must notify NHQ CAP/PMM with substantiating documentation. A fingerprint card must also be submitted to NHQ CAP/DPP at the time of application for senior membership.
Quote from: Spaceman3750 on July 30, 2010, 05:46:55 PMORM is a requirement for everyone....not just Level I. New members should get it as part of their Level I training or Curry Acheivement. But technically it is not part of either one of those.Quote from: bte on July 30, 2010, 04:48:14 PM
(Note: ORM basic is not part of Level I.)
When did that happen??? I remember very very vividly doing ORM when I did Level 1 not a year ago...
Quote from: PhoenixCadet on July 30, 2010, 07:27:17 PM
I assume it doesn't need to be "active" membership, and your patron status won't affect this.
Quote from: USAFaux2004 on July 31, 2010, 05:25:52 AM
Is this the EO "test/briefing"? https://tests.cap.af.mil/EO_Training/EOTraining.cfm (https://tests.cap.af.mil/EO_Training/EOTraining.cfm)
How to I substantiate doing it?
QuoteBasic Operational Risk Management (ORM) Test
Congratulations!
Your grade is 100.0%
Outstanding work!
Quote from: lordmonar on July 30, 2010, 10:09:27 PMQuote from: Spaceman3750 on July 30, 2010, 05:46:55 PMORM is a requirement for everyone....not just Level I. New members should get it as part of their Level I training or Curry Acheivement. But technically it is not part of either one of those.Quote from: bte on July 30, 2010, 04:48:14 PM
(Note: ORM basic is not part of Level I.)
When did that happen??? I remember very very vividly doing ORM when I did Level 1 not a year ago...
Quote from: spacecommand on July 31, 2010, 04:00:55 PMSince that is where I just looked, can you be more specific?
I believe it is in CAPR 62-1
Quote from: AlphaSigOU on July 31, 2010, 04:29:02 PM
Avoid getting placed into the '000' squadron or go into Patron status - the TIG clock stops while in Patron status; not sure if '000' does as well. Even though my current job keeps me from being active in my new squadron, I still remain an active, dues-paying member. If there's a way I can help out the squadron, even remotely, I'll be glad to help out.
Quote from: Eclipse on July 31, 2010, 06:50:10 PM
No, OBC is only open to active members - its not something you really need for a few years, especially if you aren't going to be be active.
NHQ only purchased 180 licenses for the program, so that is their limit on who can be enrolled.
Quote from: bte on July 31, 2010, 04:23:40 PMQuote from: spacecommand on July 31, 2010, 04:00:55 PMSince that is where I just looked, can you be more specific?
I believe it is in CAPR 62-1
Quote from: spacecommand on July 31, 2010, 07:42:10 PMThe ORM familiarization training is part of the Policies module (http://capmembers.com/media/cms/Policies_Edit100219_177D1E1CF0A90.pdf) in the Level One Foundations Course.Quote from: bte on July 31, 2010, 04:23:40 PMQuote from: spacecommand on July 31, 2010, 04:00:55 PMSince that is where I just looked, can you be more specific?
I believe it is in CAPR 62-1
Under "3. Required Program Criteria."
(2) New members will receive ORM familiarization training, which is included in the Level One Foundations Course.
The interesting part is "new members" and "which is included in the Level One Foundations Course.
I don't think a cadet moving up is considered a "new member" (not sure)
Though he or she is already exempt from taking the Foundations Course.
Quote from: USAFaux2004 on July 31, 2010, 05:25:52 AM
Is this the EO "test/briefing"? https://tests.cap.af.mil/EO_Training/EOTraining.cfm
How to I substantiate doing it?
QuoteFor Capt: Completion of all
requirements for Level II
(Certificate of Proficiency), 18
months time in grade as a 1st Lt.
For SFO: Completion of all
requirements for Level II
(Certificate of Proficiency), 12
months time in grade as a TFO.
Quote from: USAFaux2004 on August 01, 2010, 05:20:21 AMTIG as TFO counts toward promotion to 1st Lt, not Capt.
I know there's less time spent between 18-21 compared to 21-RIP, but I wonder how the TIG gets added up with someone who say promotes to TFO at 20 and 2 months old. Do they just wait the two months that are left, 3 months (18/12 = 1.5), or now have to wait 8 months until the promotion to Capt as opposed to the 20 y.o. who becomes TFO/Capt at 21?
Quote from: bte on August 01, 2010, 02:38:33 PMNo! TIG as TFO can be combined with TIG as 1LT to complete the 18 months required for CPT. Check CAPR 35-5.Quote from: USAFaux2004 on August 01, 2010, 05:20:21 AMTIG as TFO counts toward promotion to 1st Lt, not Capt.
I know there's less time spent between 18-21 compared to 21-RIP, but I wonder how the TIG gets added up with someone who say promotes to TFO at 20 and 2 months old. Do they just wait the two months that are left, 3 months (18/12 = 1.5), or now have to wait 8 months until the promotion to Capt as opposed to the 20 y.o. who becomes TFO/Capt at 21?
TIG as SFO counts toward promotion to Capt.
Since you cannot make SFO before you turn 21 and since your Earhart already will make you eligible for 1st Lt when you turn 21, TFO does nothing to decrease the time to make Capt. You will have to wait 18 months after being promoted to 1st Lt to be eligible for Capt. Also, you will not be eligible for promotion at age 21 if you are in Patron status.
Quote from: Spaceman3750 on August 01, 2010, 08:07:22 PM
The equivalency is...
FO - 2lt
TFO - 1lt
SFO - Capt
Just so we're clear on that... So tig as tfo would count towards Capt. I'll get you a reg cote when I'm on my computer.
Quote from: CAPR 35-5 Figure 2
Promotion To Minimum Skill Level I Time-In-Grade
2d Lt Level 1 6 months as senior member
1st Lt Tech Rating 12 months as 2d Lt or TFO
(Specialty Track) (or combination thereof)
Captain Level II 18 months as 1st Lt or SFO
(or combination thereof)
Major Level III 3 years as Captain
Lt Col Level IV 4 years as Major
Figure 2. Minimum Skill Levels and Time-In-Grade Requirements for Duty Performance Promotions.
I have checked CAPR 35-5. As you can see, TFO is not equivalent to 1st Lt in the sense that TFO TIG is applied to promotion to 1st Lt but not to Capt. Perhaps before referring someone to a regulation, it would be prudent to double check said regulation. |
Quote from: USAFaux2004 on August 01, 2010, 08:39:07 PM
Yep, that's what I saw as well when I looked it up. Oh well, I'm in no Rush.
Quote from: USAFaux2004 on August 01, 2010, 09:54:12 PM
I guess it's just a discrepancy in the system, eh? I can ask my Group CC right now, as long as Eclipse checks this.
Quote from: Eclipse on August 02, 2010, 01:36:08 AMQuote from: USAFaux2004 on August 01, 2010, 09:54:12 PM
I guess it's just a discrepancy in the system, eh? I can ask my Group CC right now, as long as Eclipse checks this.
I have no idea - if you're an active member when you're 21 we can address it. My suggestion to your CC was to see about any
professional development credit you rightly deserve for your several years of active CAP cadet service, so that the conversations should you be active again are less complicated, not to drill down to every loop hole and turn the program into a correspondence course so we can make you a Col. before you go patron.
Quote from: USAFaux2004 on August 02, 2010, 01:43:59 AMQuote from: Eclipse on August 02, 2010, 01:36:08 AMQuote from: USAFaux2004 on August 01, 2010, 09:54:12 PM
I guess it's just a discrepancy in the system, eh? I can ask my Group CC right now, as long as Eclipse checks this.
I have no idea - if you're an active member when you're 21 we can address it. My suggestion to your CC was to see about any
professional development credit you rightly deserve for your several years of active CAP cadet service, so that the conversations should you be active again are less complicated, not to drill down to every loop hole and turn the program into a correspondence course so we can make you a Col. before you go patron.
Yes Sir, completely understood. Not trying to get to Captain by 21 - impossible (and pointless while not active) as is, just trying to wrap my head around the situation with 18-21 and 21-on SM status, though CAPR 35-5 is pretty clear and Patron Status is a TIG killer.
Now, does Patron status affect membership continuity?
I know that cadet time doesn't count towards CAP Retirement, otherwise there would be a lot of 32 year olds with a "20" on their Red Service and eligible for the retirement, but if a SM goes patron, say for a year between activity, does that year count towards their "20"?
QuoteCAPR 39-2 Civil Air Patrol Membership (http://www.capmembers.com/media/cms/R039_002_A74FDA9552C2D.pdf) 16 JUNE 2004 INCLUDES CHANGE 3, 1 OCTOBER 2009 .
CHAPTER 3 – SENIOR MEMBERSHIP
3-1. General. Senior membership in CAP is a privilege reserved forthose individuals who conscientiously desire to promote the objectivesand purposes of CAP and who meet the eligibility requirements outlinedin paragraph 3-2. This privilege may be enjoyed as long as the memberobserves and complies with the CAP Constitution and Bylaws and othergoverning directives. Categories of senior membership are listed below:
b. Patron Member. A patron member is a financialsupporter who maintains current membership through payment of annualmembership dues and participates in a limited capacity as outlinedbelow.
1) Patron members may:
a) Receive a specially annotated membership card.
b) Receive the Civil Air Patrol News.
c) Receive discounts associated with senior membership (car rental, etc.).
d) Retain the last grade held prior to entering patron status.
e) Attend wing and region conferences and the annual National Boardmeeting and the National Congress on Aviation and Space Educationsponsored by National Headquarters.
f) Attend special unit social events upon invitation by the commanderconcerned, such as anniversary celebrations, awards banquets, holidayparties, etc.
g) Use Civil Air Patrol ground transportation, but use of Civil Air Patrol air transportation is prohibited.
h) Transfer to active member status upon meeting active member qualifications. (See paragraph 3 below.)
2) Patron members may not:
a) Wear the CAP uniform.
b) Ride in or fly CAP aircraft. (This includes member-owned aircraft onCAP flight activity as defined in CAPR 60-1, CAP Flight Management.)
c) Participate in CAP activities in any capacity except to attendspecified conferences and social events as outlined in paragraphs3-1b(1)e and f above.
d) Be promoted while in patron status.
3) Transfers to patron member status will be submitted to NationalHeadquarters on CAPF 2a. Section II, Duty Assignment/Status Change,will be used, i.e., transfer from "Active Status" to "Patron Status."The original copy will be forwarded directly to National Headquartersand the file copy placed in the members' personnel file. Membersdesiring to transfer back to active status will use the same procedure.NOTE: Patrons transferring to active status who have not previouslycompleted the FBI screening procedures must include a FD Form 258 withthe CAPF 2a.
Quote from: spacecommand on August 02, 2010, 02:56:02 AM
Very interesting, if that is the case, lets say because I was a patron member 6 months before joining a squadron and transferring to "Active" member status, are you saying I can apply for promotion to 2D LT now (already completed all of level 1) instead of the time I started when I became an "active" member"?
Quote from: Eclipse on August 02, 2010, 01:36:08 AM.....which was the same thing his Squadron CC told him via numerous text messages. I'm nice up to a point..... ;)Quote from: USAFaux2004 on August 01, 2010, 09:54:12 PM
I guess it's just a discrepancy in the system, eh? I can ask my Group CC right now, as long as Eclipse checks this.
I have no idea - if you're an active member when you're 21 we can address it. My suggestion to your CC was to see about any
professional development credit you rightly deserve for your several years of active CAP cadet service, so that the conversations should you be active again are less complicated, not to drill down to every loop hole and turn the program into a correspondence course so we can make you a Col. before you go patron.