Hello and a question...

[Shuman 14]

I appreciate all the responses, I guess it kind of struck a nerve with me as I would be in that category (for now anyway), and I wasn't sure I wanted to associate myself with an organization that this was a common occurrence in.  For the record, I am no stranger to CAP, although it was 25 years ago.  To give you some background, I completed 4.5 years of AFJROTC in high school, Served 4 years in the Navy as an E-4, and have worked for state and local governments most of my adult life.  I am also a current member of my city's CERT program.  So I don't want folks to think I'm coming in here stirring up trouble.  I'm pretty much a straight shooter and call it like I see it...

That won't mean a thing to some people here. You'll just be seen as an outsider telling CAP how "broke" it is and that you have no right to tell CAP how to fix it because you haven't served in CAP for X+ years.

Trust me I know. 

[Fortunateson]

I appreciate all the responses, I guess it kind of struck a nerve with me as I would be in that category (for now anyway), and I wasn't sure I wanted to associate myself with an organization that this was a common occurrence in.  For the record, I am no stranger to CAP, although it was 25 years ago.  To give you some background, I completed 4.5 years of AFJROTC in high school, Served 4 years in the Navy as an E-4, and have worked for state and local governments most of my adult life.  I am also a current member of my city's CERT program.  So I don't want folks to think I'm coming in here stirring up trouble.  I'm pretty much a straight shooter and call it like I see it...

That won't mean a thing to some people here. You'll just be seen as an outsider telling CAP how "broke" it is and that you have no right to tell CAP how to fix it because you haven't served in CAP for X+ years.

Trust me I know. 

Well I guess that could be true, just thought it was a little odd for people to be referred to that way, especially when outsiders who can read this forum and may be considering joining, see a term used and take offense to it...I can see that it is divided on the opinion of its use, so I guess my question has been answered... Thanks for the responses

[Майор Хаткевич]

Again, what's a better term?

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

Again, what's a better term?

"Those out of height, weight and grooming standards."

[Panache]

Again, what's a better term?

"Heretics"?

[Fortunateson]

Again, what's a better term?

You know I don't know, maybe something that could be said to their face, in person...

[Alaric]

Again, what's a better term?

You know I don't know, maybe something that could be said to their face, in person...

Then I'd go with Cyborg "Those out of height, weight and grooming requirements"

[Cliff_Chambliss]

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"Those out of height, weight and grooming standards."
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I would say "Those out of height, weight and/or grooming standards."

[Alaric]

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"Those out of height, weight and grooming standards."
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I would say "Those out of height, weight and/or grooming standards."
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agreed

[Eclipse]

I suppose "valued members" is out of the question?

[Panache]

I suppose "valued members" is out of the question?

"In a diet trainee status on your 101 card."

[Майор Хаткевич]

That would imply AF uniform wearers are not. As to saying it to their face...again, this term only comes up here.

[Alaric]

I suppose "valued members" is out of the question?

We are all valued members Eclipse, some of us, like myself are "out of height, weight, and/or grooming requirements"

[jeders]

I suppose "valued members" is out of the question?

We are all valued members Eclipse, some of us, like myself are "out of height, weight, and/or grooming requirements"

I think that's his point.

[BHartman007]

My weight is fine, but my height is out of regulation.

[Garibaldi]

My weight is fine, but my height is out of regulation.

Not overweight, but under-tall.

[Panzerbjorn]

As one of the "fat and fuzzies" I honestly don't worry about it.  Like many others have said, I don't see that term tossed around outside of this forum.  Woodland camoflauge isn't important to me enough to try and defy the regs when blue BDUs work just fine trumping around in the woods.  Polo shirts and slacks are a whole lot more comfortable to fly in than a Nomex flight suit.  Finally, I still have the respect of my cadets and my peers because of my dedication to the program and contributions.

If someone is going to scorn me because I'm heavier than allowed to wear Woodland camoflauge or dress blues, my only response to them is perhaps they should be spending more time helping cadets succeed and getting their ES qualifications than worrying about how many pull-ups I can do.

Where you'll see more "at odds" in CAP is air ops vs ground ops.  If you read through enough of CAPTalk, you'll see those distinct mind sets clearly.  (Sorry to generalize and stereotype, but it's true).  There are plenty of members here and in CAP that have both the air and ground perspectives, but they are in the minority in the organization.

As also said before, don't let CAPTalk determine for you whether you join CAP.  Join because you love aviation, want to work with cadets, and have something to contribute to the organization.

As far as a term to replace "fat and fuzzies"...How about "Corporate Types"?  I like that...fits my attitude and pilot mindset.

[AirAux]

I doubt if anyone called General Curtis LeMay Fat, so how about calling them SAC Warriors?? 

[Private Investigator]

As far as a term to replace "fat and fuzzies"...How about "Corporate Types"?  I like that...fits my attitude and pilot mindset.

I like that   :clap:

[PHall]

I doubt if anyone called General Curtis LeMay Fat, so how about calling them SAC Warriors??

Nobody dared tell the General that he was fat.   He was the Air Force Chief of Staff after he was CINCSAC.
They didn't seem to have a problem with his weight in the Pentagon either!