Thought all those AF ROTC Orientation Flights were the ticket when funding was available?

Are we talking enlisted folks here? Thought the current Administration was all over itself about the numbers of recruits enlisting currently

Why would the AF be suffering unless cadets desires are to be gunslingers....

Cue the CAP Identity Crisis.

Is CAP always the Auxiliary of the Air Force? No.
Is the Cadet Program intending to recruit for the military? Not technically.
Do we have a consistent/common appearance across our member corps in how we dress? Nope.

Quote from: SarDragon on April 30, 2025, 10:46:33 PMmy idea of a "traditional" uniform is the Shade 1 khaki uniform from the 1960s. YMMV.

I cannot argue with that Sir!

Quote from: Shuman 14 on April 30, 2025, 10:18:05 PMBut are they "Traditional"? 

That depends entirely on your frame of reference, hence Nin's prior response. Personally, my idea of a "traditional" uniform is the Shade 1 khaki uniform from the 1960s. YMMV.

Quote from: PHall on April 30, 2025, 09:38:48 PM

Quote from: Shuman 14 on April 30, 2025, 07:20:22 PMTwo: The Polo and TAC pants are not a "traditional" uniform.

The Polo and TAC pants are referred to in CAPR 39-1 as the "CAP Corporate Working Uniform".
Ref: CAPR 39-1 Para 5.3

So they are a uniform and there is a prescribed way to wear it.

But are they "Traditional"? 

Quote from: Shuman 14 on April 30, 2025, 07:20:22 PMTwo: The Polo and TAC pants are not a "traditional" uniform.

The Polo and TAC pants are referred to in CAPR 39-1 as the "CAP Corporate Working Uniform".
Ref: CAPR 39-1 Para 5.3

So they are a uniform and there is a prescribed way to wear it.

Quote from: NIN on April 29, 2025, 11:53:52 AM

Quote from: Shuman 14 on April 25, 2025, 08:51:28 PMOne traditional uniform is required for the NESA
graduation and combined school events.

So .... mixing of terms here. "Traditional uniform?"

What is a "traditional" uniform?  I've been in CAP 44 years, I know a LOT about uniforms, and I refer to none of them as a "traditional" uniform.

Concrete terms that are backed up in the regulation are important when people are coming from all different units, wings and regions where different terminology means different things.

I read that one of two ways...

One: Uniforms are not required for the class, just for graduation. Meaning you can attend all the training in civilian attire, but to take part in the graduation ceremony you must wear a CAP authorized uniform.

OR

Two: The Polo and TAC pants are not a "traditional" uniform. They do not meet the definition of a Dress, Service, or Working/Field/Combat Uniform. They are a business casual "pseudoform" that you can wear to class but to take part in the graduation ceremony, you must be in a CAP Field or Flight Uniform.

Now that's my opinion and interpretation, which could be completely wrong from NESA's intent.

I have been told that due to the heat index at Camp Atterbury in the July-August timeframe, a modified uniform of a NESA Class T-shirt and appropriate length athletic shorts has been authorized in the past as the uniform of the day when not in the Field or at any type of training where the uniform is in fact needed as "protective clothing".

They most likely don't want that level of casualness at a formal graduation or in any possible Public Affairs photos taken of the event. Again, completely my opinion.

Quote from: Shuman 14 on April 25, 2025, 08:51:28 PMOne traditional uniform is required for the NESA
graduation and combined school events.

So .... mixing of terms here. "Traditional uniform?"

What is a "traditional" uniform?  I've been in CAP 44 years, I know a LOT about uniforms, and I refer to none of them as a "traditional" uniform.

Concrete terms that are backed up in the regulation are important when people are coming from all different units, wings and regions where different terminology means different things.

Quote from: Shuman 14 on April 25, 2025, 08:51:28 PMI guess I mis-read it the first time. A uniform is a must have, not a just a Flightsuit.

That's good to hear, glad it's entirely your choice.

Okay quoting the 2024 NESA Student Handbook (Most Recent Version online):

QuoteComplete Uniforms (At least 1 set) - Personnel attending the Mission Aircrew School may wear the following
uniforms: USAF-style or corporate-style flight duty uniform, airman battle uniform, corporate field uniform
or the corporate working uniform (see CAPR 39-1). One traditional uniform is required for the NESA
graduation and combined school events. USAF-style or corporate-style flight duty uniform is the preferred
graduation uniform for MAS, but other uniforms noted above are authorized. Personnel participating in
the Aircrew Survival Short Course should bring at least 2 uniforms as practical test requirements require
wear of a uniform (including boots/shoes) for pool and swim tests.

I guess I mis-read it the first time. A uniform is a must have, not a just a Flightsuit.

Was planning on wearing the polo and grey tac-pants for the training and wearing a flightsuit for graduation on first read, still thinking I'll do that on second read. Good to have one f you need it.

I guess the question is... green or blue.