Quote from: JacobAnn on January 10, 2025, 12:14:53 PMMany of us are still here and enjoy the forum. We just remain in "quiet" mode if we have nothing to offer. I hope it continues forever.

But what is there to enjoy? I think we've had stretches of a week or so with no posts, except to the literall graveyard of rememberance posts. 

All of us being "quiet" is partially to blame for this being on the brink. 

Just an aside: Web based forums have really tailed off in the last 10 years or so with the rise of Facebook groups and other forums like Reddit.

CAP-Talk may not survive much longer, if I'm being fair. We survive on the grace of a former member who hosts the site alongside another forum, and he's substantially incommunicado.

Quote from: Anthony@CAP on January 09, 2025, 01:33:27 AMThere is no specific required format in which to submit it. Some people say just 'send everything' and let NHQ figure it out, but they are pretty busy and don't know all of the potential course names. Personally, I recommend the following format when submitting it:

SM [John Doe], CAP ID [123456], served in the [INSERT BRANCH] during which time he graduated from the [NAME OF COURSE], the [INSERT BRANCH]'s [INSERT NAME ON CAP CHART]. In accordance with CAPR 40-1 Attachment 9, I understand that completion of [INSERT NAME ON CAP CHART] provides Tier 4 Professional Military Education credit. I have attached a copy of the course completion.

Name: [John Doe]
CAPID: [123456]
PME: [INSERT NAME ON CAP CHART]
PME Tier: [INSERT TIER]

To steal an Internet meme: "This guy admins!"

Well put.  Too many times I have heard people say "just send this to [the next echelon. Usually "wing"] and let them figure it out." Thats OK, to a point. The number of times I've seen things forwarded up with ZERO preamble, rationale or explanation is, well, non-zero. 

I tell folks all the time: "If you're going to forward something to [wing/region/NHQ] that you need put in someone's record, they need credit for, that they want as a service award, whatever, then send it with a cover memo explaining EXACTLY what you're looking to do and include regulatory references. And keep a copy of that memo for the next time you have to do this." That way to you have the right documentation, the member's record will be updated the correct way, whatever.

The folks at Membership Services deal with 68,000+ members, and they get busy. Sometimes their staff process or procedure in the office doesn't 100% correspond to the regulation (for various reasons: bureaucratic inertia, regs that change faster than HQ policy, staff changes, oral history, etc). Spelling it out its helpful.

Anthony@CAP, thank you so much, that is everything I was looking for!

Really appreciate your help.

After Edit Note:

After reviewing the documents you provided, it appears I received Tier 5 credit for ILE and AOC would provide the same credit. I think will submit the proof (AER, Transcript and Certificate) to CAP-HQ just so they have record of it, but it's really not needed.

Again, thank you for your help.

This topic has been moved to Membership.

http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=26425.0

Many of us are still here and enjoy the forum. We just remain in "quiet" mode if we have nothing to offer. I hope it continues forever.

Personally, I'm sad to see the Facebook group overtake Captalk. FB really is unsuited to the kinds of long, detailed conversations I've enjoyed over the years on this board. But maybe that makes me a geezer (even though technically I'm not really old enough to *be* a geezer)...

FB is just so insipid.

Attachment 9 of CAPR 40-1 Civil Air Patrol Senior Member Education & Training Program gives a comprehensive list of which military education classes that count for PME Equivalency for CAP, and which tier of credit they provide.

Per AR 350-1 Army Training and Leadership Development, the Advanced Operations Course (AOC) provides JPME 1 credit.  Per CAPR 40-1, Attachment 9, any designated JPME Phase I College, provides Tier 5 equivalency credit for CAP.

The Volunteer University Module Summaries (Updated 10/24), show which modules in each level will receive equivalency credit for Tier 5. It will list PME 5 in the equivalency column on the left.

Proof of Professional Military Education (PME) is sent to CAP NHQ at lmmeforms@capnhq.gov for evaluation and entry. You will need to provide evidence of PME completion, your DD-214, course completion certificate, or transcript are all viable options for proof. I would recommend you submit it through your squadron Education and Training Officer.

There is no specific required format in which to submit it. Some people say just 'send everything' and let NHQ figure it out, but they are pretty busy and don't know all of the potential course names. Personally, I recommend the following format when submitting it:

SM [John Doe], CAP ID [123456], served in the [INSERT BRANCH] during which time he graduated from the [NAME OF COURSE], the [INSERT BRANCH]'s [INSERT NAME ON CAP CHART]. In accordance with CAPR 40-1 Attachment 9, I understand that completion of [INSERT NAME ON CAP CHART] provides Tier 4 Professional Military Education credit. I have attached a copy of the course completion.

Name: [John Doe]
CAPID: [123456]
PME: [INSERT NAME ON CAP CHART]
PME Tier: [INSERT TIER]


Quick Edit:
If you already have credit at a tier from another PME, there is no benefit to submitting new courses at the same tier level. You can verify which tier you have credit by looking yourself up in Member Search in e-Services, and going to the Training tab. Under Professional Development, if you have credit for a tier, it will say TIER X PME with the date the equivalency was approved by NHQ.

Not sure this is the correct place to post this question, but it is about "education". If this is not correct, a MOD can feel free to move it as needed.

So, I just completed the Advanced Operations Course (AOC). For those unfamiliar with AOC, it is the second half of the Army's Command and General Staff College and a yearlong process. Reservist and Guardsmen attend the first half, Intermediate Level Education (ILE) in order to be educationally qualified for Lieutenant Colonel, and AOC to be qualified for full Colonel. Active-Duty Soldiers attend both in residence in one full-swoop.

Now my question is, I know there is someplace at CAP-HQ that you can send off your Military education documents to, so you can get credit towards Senior Member Professional Development. I remember sending all my education documents there (i.e. NCO Academy, ROTC, Officer Basic Course, Captains' Career Course and ILE) but I can't remember who or where that Point of Contact was.

Can anyone point me in the right direction?

Also, not even sure if AOC even counts for any credit. I know ILE counts for parts of Level 5 and the Army War College would be like a "Level 6" education so I guess AOC is like a "5.5" education credit.

Regardless, any assistance would be appreciated.

So for the Admins, I'm sure it's been a discussion point, is there an end in sight? I'm sure the cost isn't trivial, not in this economy, and I don't think I've ever seen a solicitation as a member to contribute to server costs either.