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Cadet Programs => Encampments & NCSAs => Topic started by: Color Guard Rifleman on November 07, 2018, 06:21:44 PM

Poll
Question: What is most important in applying for encampment cadet cadre?
Option 1: Grade above SSgt votes: 1
Option 2: More than 2 years experience votes: 4
Option 3: Prior duty positions (either encampment or squadron) votes: 5
Option 4: Being referred by other cadet staff votes: 0
Title: What do encampments look for in cadet cadre
Post by: Color Guard Rifleman on November 07, 2018, 06:21:44 PM
I have applied to 5 different encampments for cadet staff only to be turned down on all of them. What am I doing wrong?
Title: Re: What do encampments look for in cadet cadre
Post by: TheSkyHornet on November 07, 2018, 06:32:10 PM
Well, what are you doing---to start?

We can't say we know what you did wrong without first knowing how you've been applying and conducting your interviews.
Title: Re: What do encampments look for in cadet cadre
Post by: Color Guard Rifleman on November 07, 2018, 06:58:04 PM
This is what I have been submitting. Am I missing something that I should capitalize on?
Title: Re: What do encampments look for in cadet cadre
Post by: THRAWN on November 07, 2018, 07:17:57 PM
Quote from: Color Guard Rifleman on November 07, 2018, 06:58:04 PM
This is what I have been submitting. Am I missing something that I should capitalize on?

Off the cuff, you're applying for leadership positions and have no apparent leadership experience. You might want to get on the staff in a position that uses your existing skills, gain some leadership experience supervising some other PAO types, and then apply for the first shirt or flight sergeant jobs.
Title: Re: What do encampments look for in cadet cadre
Post by: Color Guard Rifleman on November 07, 2018, 07:26:35 PM
Quote from: THRAWN on November 07, 2018, 07:17:57 PM
Quote from: Color Guard Rifleman on November 07, 2018, 06:58:04 PM
This is what I have been submitting. Am I missing something that I should capitalize on?

Off the cuff, you're applying for leadership positions and have no apparent leadership experience. You might want to get on the staff in a position that uses your existing skills, gain some leadership experience supervising some other PAO types, and then apply for the first shirt or flight sergeant jobs.

I have had leadership positions, I have been an element leader and had to fill the flight sargeants shoes for a moth. Planning meeting activities for the flight and all
Title: Re: What do encampments look for in cadet cadre
Post by: THRAWN on November 07, 2018, 07:28:29 PM
Quote from: Color Guard Rifleman on November 07, 2018, 07:26:35 PM
Quote from: THRAWN on November 07, 2018, 07:17:57 PM
Quote from: Color Guard Rifleman on November 07, 2018, 06:58:04 PM
This is what I have been submitting. Am I missing something that I should capitalize on?

Off the cuff, you're applying for leadership positions and have no apparent leadership experience. You might want to get on the staff in a position that uses your existing skills, gain some leadership experience supervising some other PAO types, and then apply for the first shirt or flight sergeant jobs.

I have had leadership positions, I have been an element leader and had to fill the flight sargeants shoes for a moth. Planning meeting activities for the flight and all

Might want to include that in your resume.
Title: Re: What do encampments look for in cadet cadre
Post by: Color Guard Rifleman on November 07, 2018, 07:35:58 PM
Quote from: THRAWN on November 07, 2018, 07:28:29 PM
Quote from: Color Guard Rifleman on November 07, 2018, 07:26:35 PM
Quote from: THRAWN on November 07, 2018, 07:17:57 PM
Quote from: Color Guard Rifleman on November 07, 2018, 06:58:04 PM
This is what I have been submitting. Am I missing something that I should capitalize on?

Off the cuff, you're applying for leadership positions and have no apparent leadership experience. You might want to get on the staff in a position that uses your existing skills, gain some leadership experience supervising some other PAO types, and then apply for the first shirt or flight sergeant jobs.

I have had leadership positions, I have been an element leader and had to fill the flight sargeants shoes for a moth. Planning meeting activities for the flight and all

Might want to include that in your resume.

That has been added. Should I change how I write my letter of intent?
Title: Re: What do encampments look for in cadet cadre
Post by: Eclipse on November 07, 2018, 08:05:54 PM
What position(s) are you applying for and how far away from MIWG?
Title: Re: What do encampments look for in cadet cadre
Post by: Color Guard Rifleman on November 07, 2018, 08:09:34 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on November 07, 2018, 08:05:54 PM
What position(s) are you applying for and how far away from MIWG?

What ever encampments are currently accepting. I usually apply for 1st Sgt, Flight Sgt, or a support staff position.
Title: Re: What do encampments look for in cadet cadre
Post by: Paul Creed III on November 07, 2018, 08:16:54 PM
Quote from: Color Guard Rifleman on November 07, 2018, 07:35:58 PM
That has been added. Should I change how I write my letter of intent?

Have someone help you with proofreading for grammar mistakes and take a look at CAPP 1-2 on how to format written correspondence.

Attention to detail matters.
Title: Re: What do encampments look for in cadet cadre
Post by: Eclipse on November 07, 2018, 09:25:01 PM
Quote from: Color Guard Rifleman on November 07, 2018, 08:09:34 PM
What ever encampments are currently accepting. I usually apply for 1st Sgt, Flight Sgt, or a support staff position.

These are not trivial issues.

As a T/Sgt, you would not generally qualify a First Shirt, with those spots usually
going to a Senior or a Chief with multiple encampments, and few encampment
struggle for local cadets to fill the flight sergeant roles.

Support cadets are also not usually in short supply as some encampments waive
encampment fees in acknowledgement of the hard work expected.

If you are applying to encampments in other large wings and regions, then
they likely have plenty of applicants.

Being well-written is important, generally, but at the level you're applying,
other than First Shirt, unless it's really bad, it's not likely a factor.

Asking the staff directly would get you the real answers.


Title: Re: What do encampments look for in cadet cadre
Post by: SarDragon on November 07, 2018, 09:33:49 PM
In addition to listing the positions you have held, you should also talk about your accomplishments in those positions.
Title: Re: What do encampments look for in cadet cadre
Post by: abdsp51 on November 07, 2018, 09:49:46 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on November 07, 2018, 09:25:01 PM
Quote from: Color Guard Rifleman on November 07, 2018, 08:09:34 PM
What ever encampments are currently accepting. I usually apply for 1st Sgt, Flight Sgt, or a support staff position.

These are not trivial issues.

As a T/Sgt, you would not generally qualify a First Shirt, with those spots usually
going to a Senior or a Chief with multiple encampments, and few encampment
struggle for local cadets to fill the flight sergeant roles.

Support cadets are also not usually in short supply as some encampments waive
encampment fees in acknowledgement of the hard work expected.

If you are applying to encampments in other large wings and regions, then
they likely have plenty of applicants.

Being well-written is important, generally, but at the level you're applying,
other than First Shirt, unless it's really bad, it's not likely a factor.

Asking the staff directly would get you the real answers.

+1 beat me too it.
Title: Re: What do encampments look for in cadet cadre
Post by: Eclipse on November 07, 2018, 09:50:13 PM
Quote from: SarDragon on November 07, 2018, 09:33:49 PM
In addition to listing the positions you have held, you should also talk about your accomplishments in those positions.
Agreed, and anything listed should be relevent to the level and scale / scope of the job you're requesting.

We've recently moved on a single page resume, because many cadets just list everything they have done
since they joined in a single-spaced column, making the reader ferret out relevancy.

To this point, if a resume is called for, make sure it's in resume format (and put your name on it).

As with any job-seeking situation, on the mean the people applying for a given job will all have the
same general qualifications, experience, and profiles.  Reviewers are looking for anything they can use
to weed out resumes easily and put them on the "no" pile.

Don't make their job easier with simple mistakes, improper submissions, or inappropriate applications.
Title: Re: What do encampments look for in cadet cadre
Post by: Color Guard Rifleman on November 07, 2018, 09:57:34 PM
Quote
To this point, if a resume is called for, make sure it's in resume format (and put your name on it)

I have searched for a standard resume format. Is there one or does it just have to look professional?
Title: Re: What do encampments look for in cadet cadre
Post by: Eclipse on November 07, 2018, 10:06:00 PM
Quote from: Color Guard Rifleman on November 07, 2018, 09:57:34 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on November 07, 2018, 09:50:13 PM
To this point, if a resume is called for, make sure it's in resume format (and put your name on it).

Don't make their job easier with simple mistakes, improper submissions, or inappropriate applications.
I have searched for a standard resume format. Is there one or does it just have to look professional?

There are far too many to answer that question, however checking with cadets who have been successful in
getting a staff role, or asking the leadership of the respective encampments would be your best bet.

Absent that, Googling "Military Resume format"will return plenty of templates that are acceptable.

PROTIP; Never send an editable Word Doc, always send a PDF.
Title: Re: What do encampments look for in cadet cadre
Post by: Airplane girl on November 07, 2018, 10:08:12 PM
I don't know what the specific instructions were for the letter of intent in terms of content or length, but one thing I would say is to make it more specific to you. There are a lot of things that are vague, and that could be applied to most people applying to the position. What makes you stand out among all of the cadets applying for the same position? What is your unique leadership style? A lot of times, a story from your experience as an element leader or flight sergeant would be a good way to illustrate this.

Good luck in your application!
Title: Re: What do encampments look for in cadet cadre
Post by: Spam on November 08, 2018, 04:17:29 AM
Hi Rifleman.

I want to preface my reply by saying that you may be hearing some brutal sounding replies and that even so I hope you'll take them in the constructive spirit in which they're given. For example, I want to second what LTC Creed recommends, in that attention to detail and proof reading matter greatly in this area (written applications/resumes). You really need to treat this as an important school assignment and turn in your best effort (checking everything) after asking reviewers for editorial inputs. In the grand scheme of things, accepting brutal but useful feedback from your friends here on CapTalk could help you grow to really stand out as a young adult going for a job interview or Academy/university selection board (it worked for me)!

In specific, here's what springs out to me in terms of proof reading:

- Resume: you've spelled "Rickenbacker" incorrectly. That's a deal breaker pal!
- Count your Promotions and compare to your listed Awards; is anything missing? Hint: they are spelled "Arnold" and "Feik".
- "Leadership/Training Activities" are (with the exception of your Trainee Encampment) all on line courses. I fail to see how you can portray these as "leadership" activities.
- If you indeed have leadership experience (Element Leader, Flight Sergeant, in your case) list the effective dates from eServices of your appointment. Noted your "PA NCO" (great job there... correct title after all!) but credit yourself with the date appointed as well. Your resume column header says "Dates"... you don't have dates. Fix that (see below for why)!
- Delete the double booked items. Delete the entire "Experience" section and move "Color Guard Rifleman" (update it with beginning date) under "Squadron Activities". Delete the Wright Bros Award (already cited). Delete the Encampment certificate (as you've already booked it twice above, counting the ribbon).
- Don't include other cadets as references; cite Cadet Programs rated Senior Member officers (preferably your CC or your Deputy CC for Cadets).
- Frankly, your letter rambles and has little structure. You need to segregate your thoughts into discrete groups (paragraphs) each aimed at making a coherent point. You then need to write in complete sentences with no fragments or run on sentences, using correct punctuation. Read through it aloud looking for sentences that make no sense, e.g. "We will inspire the next year's encampment of staff".

Weighing you against peer candidates:
-  I would rarely select a newly appointed C/NCO with one months experience as a Flight Sergeant (let alone C/First Sergeant supervising other C/SNCOs). As you are showing only 6 months as an Element Leader and only 1 month as a C/Flight Sergeant, that to me doesn't scream "great low risk candidate" to be an encampment Flight Sergeant. To me, you would need several solid months under your belt, because this position is a key factor in producing a quality experience for Trainees. (Again, see below on getting credit for those months).

- Your advancement burn rate is very low (against the Oath: "...advance my training and education rapidly...". You joined in NOV2016 and took quite a while to advance. So, despite being a cadet for two years you have comparatively little C/NCO experience to offer to the encampment NCO slots. From a positive standpoint, it looks like you "switched on" this summer (congratulations!) but the bulk of your experience is not as a C/NCO, and many selection boards would be wary of installing someone who - on paper - is not an apparent high achiever as an exemplar to new cadets.

- Comparatively then, I would rate you low against peer C/NCOs for encampment Flight Sergeants (looking for C/TSGTs and up with C/NCO track records) and I would not even consider you for Cadet First Sergeant billets (looking for C/MSGTs and C/CMSGTs only, ideally with significant experience in coordinating the "NCO System" between multiple flights).

- My impression purely from the record you supply (plus your good posts on CapTalk) is that you appear to have "woken up" this past summer and are now switched on as a Cadet NCO. I applaud your interest and renewed motivation, and want to encourage you to put down the dates of your appointment to start getting credit by accruing "time in position" as a Squadron level Flight Sergeant... if by now you have three months in position, the selection board may take a chance on you as having five months in the job by a winter encampment. 

Best of luck to you. Keep working hard, keep promoting, and keep applying.

V/r,
Spam


Title: Re: What do encampments look for in cadet cadre
Post by: Mitchell 1969 on November 08, 2018, 08:13:55 AM
Quote from: Spam on November 08, 2018, 04:17:29 AM
Hi Rifleman.

I want to preface my reply by saying that you may be hearing some brutal sounding replies and that even so I hope you'll take them in the constructive spirit in which they're given. For example, I want to second what LTC Creed recommends, in that attention to detail and proof reading matter greatly in this area (written applications/resumes). You really need to treat this as an important school assignment and turn in your best effort (checking everything) after asking reviewers for editorial inputs. In the grand scheme of things, accepting brutal but useful feedback from your friends here on CapTalk could help you grow to really stand out as a young adult going for a job interview or Academy/university selection board (it worked for me)!

In specific, here's what springs out to me in terms of proof reading:

- Resume: you've spelled "Rickenbacker" incorrectly. That's a deal breaker pal!
- Count your Promotions and compare to your listed Awards; is anything missing? Hint: they are spelled "Arnold" and "Feik".
- "Leadership/Training Activities" are (with the exception of your Trainee Encampment) all on line courses. I fail to see how you can portray these as "leadership" activities.
- If you indeed have leadership experience (Element Leader, Flight Sergeant, in your case) list the effective dates from eServices of your appointment. Noted your "PA NCO" (great job there... correct title after all!) but credit yourself with the date appointed as well. Your resume column header says "Dates"... you don't have dates. Fix that (see below for why)!
- Delete the double booked items. Delete the entire "Experience" section and move "Color Guard Rifleman" (update it with beginning date) under "Squadron Activities". Delete the Wright Bros Award (already cited). Delete the Encampment certificate (as you've already booked it twice above, counting the ribbon).
- Don't include other cadets as references; cite Cadet Programs rated Senior Member officers (preferably your CC or your Deputy CC for Cadets).
- Frankly, your letter rambles and has little structure. You need to segregate your thoughts into discrete groups (paragraphs) each aimed at making a coherent point. You then need to write in complete sentences with no fragments or run on sentences, using correct punctuation. Read through it aloud looking for sentences that make no sense, e.g. "We will inspire the next year's encampment of staff".

Weighing you against peer candidates:
-  I would rarely select a newly appointed C/NCO with one months experience as a Flight Sergeant (let alone C/First Sergeant supervising other C/SNCOs). As you are showing only 6 months as an Element Leader and only 1 month as a C/Flight Sergeant, that to me doesn't scream "great low risk candidate" to be an encampment Flight Sergeant. To me, you would need several solid months under your belt, because this position is a key factor in producing a quality experience for Trainees. (Again, see below on getting credit for those months).

- Your advancement burn rate is very low (against the Oath: "...advance my training and education rapidly...". You joined in NOV2016 and took quite a while to advance. So, despite being a cadet for two years you have comparatively little C/NCO experience to offer to the encampment NCO slots. From a positive standpoint, it looks like you "switched on" this summer (congratulations!) but the bulk of your experience is not as a C/NCO, and many selection boards would be wary of installing someone who - on paper - is not an apparent high achiever as an exemplar to new cadets.

- Comparatively then, I would rate you low against peer C/NCOs for encampment Flight Sergeants (looking for C/TSGTs and up with C/NCO track records) and I would not even consider you for Cadet First Sergeant billets (looking for C/MSGTs and C/CMSGTs only, ideally with significant experience in coordinating the "NCO System" between multiple flights).

- My impression purely from the record you supply (plus your good posts on CapTalk) is that you appear to have "woken up" this past summer and are now switched on as a Cadet NCO. I applaud your interest and renewed motivation, and want to encourage you to put down the dates of your appointment to start getting credit by accruing "time in position" as a Squadron level Flight Sergeant... if by now you have three months in position, the selection board may take a chance on you as having five months in the job by a winter encampment. 

Best of luck to you. Keep working hard, keep promoting, and keep applying.

V/r,
Spam

The above is probably the best-tailored advice to the OP which will ever be listed here. I hope OP doesn't go on the offensive, but, instead, takes it to heart and does whatever it takes to match his documents to fit the advice.


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Title: Re: What do encampments look for in cadet cadre
Post by: Color Guard Rifleman on November 08, 2018, 03:02:25 PM
Quote from: Spam on November 08, 2018, 04:17:29 AM
Hi Rifleman.

I want to preface my reply by saying that you may be hearing some brutal sounding replies and that even so I hope you'll take them in the constructive spirit in which they're given. For example, I want to second what LTC Creed recommends, in that attention to detail and proof reading matter greatly in this area (written applications/resumes). You really need to treat this as an important school assignment and turn in your best effort (checking everything) after asking reviewers for editorial inputs. In the grand scheme of things, accepting brutal but useful feedback from your friends here on CapTalk could help you grow to really stand out as a young adult going for a job interview or Academy/university selection board (it worked for me)!

In specific, here's what springs out to me in terms of proof reading:

- Resume: you've spelled "Rickenbacker" incorrectly. That's a deal breaker pal!
- Count your Promotions and compare to your listed Awards; is anything missing? Hint: they are spelled "Arnold" and "Feik".
- "Leadership/Training Activities" are (with the exception of your Trainee Encampment) all on line courses. I fail to see how you can portray these as "leadership" activities.
- If you indeed have leadership experience (Element Leader, Flight Sergeant, in your case) list the effective dates from eServices of your appointment. Noted your "PA NCO" (great job there... correct title after all!) but credit yourself with the date appointed as well. Your resume column header says "Dates"... you don't have dates. Fix that (see below for why)!
- Delete the double booked items. Delete the entire "Experience" section and move "Color Guard Rifleman" (update it with beginning date) under "Squadron Activities". Delete the Wright Bros Award (already cited). Delete the Encampment certificate (as you've already booked it twice above, counting the ribbon).
- Don't include other cadets as references; cite Cadet Programs rated Senior Member officers (preferably your CC or your Deputy CC for Cadets).
- Frankly, your letter rambles and has little structure. You need to segregate your thoughts into discrete groups (paragraphs) each aimed at making a coherent point. You then need to write in complete sentences with no fragments or run on sentences, using correct punctuation. Read through it aloud looking for sentences that make no sense, e.g. "We will inspire the next year's encampment of staff".

Weighing you against peer candidates:
-  I would rarely select a newly appointed C/NCO with one months experience as a Flight Sergeant (let alone C/First Sergeant supervising other C/SNCOs). As you are showing only 6 months as an Element Leader and only 1 month as a C/Flight Sergeant, that to me doesn't scream "great low risk candidate" to be an encampment Flight Sergeant. To me, you would need several solid months under your belt, because this position is a key factor in producing a quality experience for Trainees. (Again, see below on getting credit for those months).

- Your advancement burn rate is very low (against the Oath: "...advance my training and education rapidly...". You joined in NOV2016 and took quite a while to advance. So, despite being a cadet for two years you have comparatively little C/NCO experience to offer to the encampment NCO slots. From a positive standpoint, it looks like you "switched on" this summer (congratulations!) but the bulk of your experience is not as a C/NCO, and many selection boards would be wary of installing someone who - on paper - is not an apparent high achiever as an exemplar to new cadets.

- Comparatively then, I would rate you low against peer C/NCOs for encampment Flight Sergeants (looking for C/TSGTs and up with C/NCO track records) and I would not even consider you for Cadet First Sergeant billets (looking for C/MSGTs and C/CMSGTs only, ideally with significant experience in coordinating the "NCO System" between multiple flights).

- My impression purely from the record you supply (plus your good posts on CapTalk) is that you appear to have "woken up" this past summer and are now switched on as a Cadet NCO. I applaud your interest and renewed motivation, and want to encourage you to put down the dates of your appointment to start getting credit by accruing "time in position" as a Squadron level Flight Sergeant... if by now you have three months in position, the selection board may take a chance on you as having five months in the job by a winter encampment. 

Best of luck to you. Keep working hard, keep promoting, and keep applying.

V/r,
Spam

Thank you for the feedback on what I should improve, as I have started to revise it as of yesterday.

When I first joined CAP, I though that meetings didn't happen during the summer (I was wrong). That is why there is such a large gap between Amn and A1C. The other two times were for school. After all, CAP wants cadets to put school ahead of CAP. On eServices, they forgot to put in the element leader into duty positions when that was my position. Also, they figured not to put in flight sergeant since the I was just filling in for a position that was already filled.

Lastly, what should the topic of the paragraph be in the Letter or Intent?
Title: Re: What do encampments look for in cadet cadre
Post by: TheSkyHornet on November 08, 2018, 04:26:35 PM
Tip:
Open up Word. Type out, just how you speak out loud, responses to interview questions. Not memorized nonsense answers. Explain who you are, what you've accomplished, and what you've learned along the way. Just type it informally for yourself. Put it aside for a couple of hours. Then read it (thoroughly). "Is this how I feel about myself? Does what I just said represent me?" Tweak and revise. Then take that blurb you wrote, and, alongside it, start typing out a formal, well-written essay version of it. Make a story of who you are and what you're seeking to gain from it all. Now build yourself a resume based on it.

I'm one that can read through the bull hockey on someone's resume or in an essay. I can tell if it's representing the person I'm talking to or reading about. Even if I'm incorrect, perception is reality. If what I'm reading doesn't sound honest, or it doesn't sound like it's heart-filled and true, then I'm going to discredit that person.

If you can't sell yourself to you, you can't sell yourself to others.
Title: Re: What do encampments look for in cadet cadre
Post by: vesryn on November 08, 2018, 11:57:26 PM
Firstly, congratulations on trying to put yourself out there. Giving back to the cadet program is an important factor in the success of our program. Keep it up.

I won't comment on your resume and letter of intent, as I believe most of the regulars have already said as much useful information as there needs to be, and I don't want to beat that dead horse.

I was the Cadet Commander for the 2018 NYWG Encampment. While I did not personally select most of the 60+ positions on staff (that was left to my staff), I did give them some guidelines on selection. The selection process took place during the first staff workshop, on a weekend a couple months before the Encampment. From the moment potential cadre stepped on base, they were scrutinized. My preselected staff (DCC, XO, Squadron Commanders, some OICs) wrote pages upon pages of impressions on these cadets, even during "break time" and periods where they might not have expected to be evaluated. This allowed my upper echelon to determine true character, ability, and personality.

Here are a few things off the top of my head that we found most important.

  • Maturity, maturity maturity.

    • Cadets that did not display a consistent level of maturity and character where not selected for leadership roles such as Flight Sergeants, First Sergeants, or SET/TRNG.

    • An important point that must be made here is the matter of age. There are an amazing amount of young cadets that are incredibly mature for their age. My Admin OIC was just 14, but her maturity, consistent results, and capability made her one of the most reliable and effective members of our Exec staff.
  • Experience

    • Experience is an essential factor to any application. In 2018, NYWG had a very large percentage of "first year" staff members apply, and quite a few positions were made and lost by performance during previous experiences working Wreaths Across America, Airshows, Color Guards, home squadrons, etc.
    • As a proof that encampment experience isn't (and shouldn't!) be a defining factor in staff selection, my own Deputy Commander had never staffed an Encampment before. However, he had considerable experience with CAC and other events, and he absolutely knocked it out of the park, and I couldn't have chosen a better person to be c/DCC.
  • Referrals

    • Get to know people in the area of where you're applying. If people know your name, know your abilities and know your work ethic, you are WAY more likely to be chosen for certain positions. Reputation is key, and so is socializing/networking. This applies in "real life" too, as I'm sure many of our delightful SMs can attest.

I may come back and add some more thoughts later, but keep in mind this is just a general list. Let me know if you have any questions.
Title: Re: What do encampments look for in cadet cadre
Post by: xray328 on November 29, 2018, 04:14:37 PM
Most encampments/NCSA applications are requesting that you format your resume in accordance with Chapter 8 of "Learn to Lead" pages 176-178, follow the example there....

https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/Resume_36BA0A6C676FF.pdf

See also, page 14...

https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/CAPP_6032_SDA_2018_F36F151B306A5.pdf

And use "action" words...Led, Created, Trained, Supervised, etc.



Title: Re: What do encampments look for in cadet cadre
Post by: Color Guard Rifleman on December 01, 2018, 09:37:19 PM
Quote from: xray328 on November 29, 2018, 04:14:37 PM
Most encampments/NCSA applications are requesting that you format your resume in accordance with Chapter 8 of "Learn to Lead" pages 176-178, follow the example there....

https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/Resume_36BA0A6C676FF.pdf

See also, page 14...

https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/CAPP_6032_SDA_2018_F36F151B306A5.pdf

And use "action" words...Led, Created, Trained, Supervised, etc.

Are encampments less likely to choose a candidate if they don't follow the Chapter 8 "Learn to Lead resume format?
Title: Re: What do encampments look for in cadet cadre
Post by: Eclipse on December 01, 2018, 09:42:29 PM
Quote from: Color Guard Rifleman on December 01, 2018, 09:37:19 PM
Are encampments less likely to choose a candidate if they don't follow the Chapter 8 "Learn to Lead resume format?

The short answer is "yes", or "maybe" - it's a standard set within the curriculum, and provides for a clear
synopsis of relevent information.

With that said, there are probably ~48 encampments every year, with 48 different processes for cadre selection,
and with seniors changing around as well, little consistency year-over-year.

Generally sending something clear, concise, and which fits the indicated requirements is fine.

When in doubt, ask.

ProTip:  Don't assume one submitted for "X" activity(s) is sufficient for all of them.
One way to be put at the bottom of the pile is to send Activity X a resume that
refers to applying for Activity Y, which indicates that you couldn't be bothered to
review what you sent.
Title: Re: What do encampments look for in cadet cadre
Post by: Color Guard Rifleman on December 01, 2018, 10:22:43 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on December 01, 2018, 09:42:29 PM
Quote from: Color Guard Rifleman on December 01, 2018, 09:37:19 PM
Are encampments less likely to choose a candidate if they don't follow the Chapter 8 "Learn to Lead resume format?

The short answer is "yes", or "maybe" - it's a standard set within the curriculum, and provides for a clear
synopsis of relevent information.

With that said, there are probably ~48 encampments every year, with 48 different processes for cadre selection,
and with seniors changing around as well, little consistency year-over-year.

Generally sending something clear, concise, and which fits the indicated requirements is fine.

When in doubt, ask.

ProTip:  Don't assume one submitted for "X" activity(s) is sufficient for all of them.
One way to be put at the bottom of the pile is to send Activity X a resume that
refers to applying for Activity Y, which indicates that you couldn't be bothered to
review what you sent.


Would this work? It has the same major information as the resume outlined in Learn to Lead
Title: Re: What do encampments look for in cadet cadre
Post by: xray328 on December 01, 2018, 10:25:27 PM
That's basically a member search report


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Title: Re: What do encampments look for in cadet cadre
Post by: Color Guard Rifleman on December 01, 2018, 10:27:14 PM
Quote from: xray328 on December 01, 2018, 10:25:27 PM
That's basically a member search report


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So should I just add some of the information from the resume outline in Learn to Lead to make it look more like a resume and not a member search report?
Title: Re: What do encampments look for in cadet cadre
Post by: xray328 on December 01, 2018, 10:29:26 PM
Why are you trying to recreate the wheel? Follow the example in learn to lead.  Your references are useless as well, who are those people and how do I contact them? Use a letter of recommendation if you need/are asked for that.


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Title: Re: What do encampments look for in cadet cadre
Post by: Eclipse on December 01, 2018, 10:35:21 PM
Quote from: xray328 on December 01, 2018, 10:25:27 PM
That's basically a member search report

Agreed - some activities may well ask for an MSR as part of the package, but that's not a
resume.

Many cadets make this mistake and just provide a list of activities in chronological order,
relevent or not.
Title: Re: What do encampments look for in cadet cadre
Post by: Eclipse on December 01, 2018, 10:38:27 PM
Look at the example provided and compare it to yours:

(https://i.postimg.cc/PJDtwRLL/CAP-Resume.jpg)

Obviously your "immediate objective" would be whatever job you are applying for at encampment.
Title: Re: What do encampments look for in cadet cadre
Post by: Color Guard Rifleman on December 01, 2018, 10:46:51 PM
I have the outline different because that resume is used for getting a job outside of CAP.

My resume is different because it has details relating to CAP only. Not for something outside of CAP

So wouldn't I use a different format because the one provided is for applying for a job?
Title: Re: What do encampments look for in cadet cadre
Post by: xray328 on December 01, 2018, 10:51:27 PM
Keep in mind that these folks have never met you. Part of the resume is showing them who you are. If you don't have much to list how about things like your grades (shows you're a bright kid), do you play sports (shows you know how to part of a team)?  Maybe you've gotten an award at a CAP activity?  What positions have you served at your squadron? They can see your MSR, tell them the things they can't see on there.


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Title: Re: What do encampments look for in cadet cadre
Post by: Color Guard Rifleman on December 01, 2018, 10:52:44 PM
Quote from: xray328 on December 01, 2018, 10:51:27 PM
Keep in mind that these folks have never met you. Part of the resume is showing them who you are. If you don't have much to list how about things like your grades (shows you're a bright kid), do you play sports (shows you know how to part of a team)?  Maybe you've gotten an award at a CAP activity?  What positions have you served at your squadron? They can see your MSR, tell them the things they can't see on there.


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Isn't that the job of the Letter of Intent?
Title: Re: What do encampments look for in cadet cadre
Post by: Eclipse on December 01, 2018, 10:54:53 PM
About 2/3rds of the things that you have on your current document are irrelevant to an encampment job
and clearly just, in the words of the Honorable Judith Susan Sheindlin, "puffery".

Most would show up on an MSR if requested.

You >are< applying for a job, it's a CAP job, and you're sending this, generally, to people
you have never met and who don't know anything about you other then what you submit.

View what you send in that light.
Title: Re: What do encampments look for in cadet cadre
Post by: xray328 on December 01, 2018, 11:03:55 PM
A letter of intent (generally) states what your applying for, how you heard about the position, what you hope to gain from it, and why you're a good fit for the position.


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Title: Re: What do encampments look for in cadet cadre
Post by: Color Guard Rifleman on December 01, 2018, 11:25:09 PM
How does a cadet find their MSR on eServices?
Title: Re: What do encampments look for in cadet cadre
Post by: Eclipse on December 01, 2018, 11:52:16 PM
Quote from: Color Guard Rifleman on December 01, 2018, 11:25:09 PM
How does a cadet find their MSR on eServices?

The link is below your photo in your eservices personnel record.
Title: Re: What do encampments look for in cadet cadre
Post by: Color Guard Rifleman on December 01, 2018, 11:58:00 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on December 01, 2018, 11:52:16 PM
Quote from: Color Guard Rifleman on December 01, 2018, 11:25:09 PM
How does a cadet find their MSR on eServices?

The link is below your photo in your eservices personnel record.

Where is the personnel record? Is it in the account area?
Title: Re: What do encampments look for in cadet cadre
Post by: Eclipse on December 02, 2018, 12:09:21 AM
ADMINISTRATION> MEMBER SEARCH
Title: Re: What do encampments look for in cadet cadre
Post by: bd5av8r on December 05, 2018, 05:09:42 PM
..."Lastly, what should the topic of the paragraph be in the Letter or Intent?"

Your topic is your accomplishments, your goal (the position you are after) and why you are the best choice for the position you are applying for.

Go on the offensive, take what you've learned here and put it to use.

Good luck!

and if you don't get it, do not worry, keep participating actively, promote rapidly and soon, they'll be asking you if you'd like to be staff at someone's encampment or activity.