PAWG air assets grounded.

Started by Panache, July 11, 2014, 05:07:00 AM

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Panache

An e-mail went out today from PAWG Wing CC, Col Brandon.  As of 9pm (2100 hours) on 10 July 2014, all CAP aircraft in PAWG was grounded.  The only exception was to be the NER Glider Academy, as that is operating under Region's command.

QuoteEffective 9pm tonight by order of the PA Wing Commander - Flight Operations will cease. Read "Grounded"
The only flights taking place in PA will be at the NER Glider Academy under authorization and command of NER.
ALL WHEELS DOWN NLT 2100 NO PA WING MEMBER WILL ENGAGE IN FLIGHT OPERATIONS UNLESS AUTHORIZED BY THE REGION CC or REGION OPERATIONS FOR GLIDER ACADEMY OPERATIONS.

Long story short, apparently somebody in Wing or Region said "okay, enough with these shenanigans.  This is why we can't have nice things."

QuoteThe grounding is indefinite - this is not a safety down day it is a reconstruction of our program.

Check Pilot/Tow Pilot


Flying Pig


Eclipse

An HMRS ascot was sucked into a prop.

"That Others May Zoom"

Flying Pig

HAAAAAAAAA... darnit.  No ascots on the flight line!!!  Geeeeez people!

Panache

Quote from: Mission Pilot on July 11, 2014, 05:11:19 AM
Shenanigans?

I meant that in a non-restaurant context.

I don't know specifics, and I would rather not quote the relevant part of the e-mail in an open forum, but let's just say apparently some folks have been doing what they shouldn't be. 

a2capt

It'll get out somewhere else. Try NOTF ;-)

Panache

No doubt.  I just don't want to publish it in an open interwebs forum, that's all.

THRAWN

And the wing commander still has a job? The fiddling continues.
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NIN

Quote from: Eclipse on July 11, 2014, 05:23:28 AM
An HMRS ascot was sucked into a prop.
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Patterson

From the PAWG Commanders email message
QuoteEffective 9pm tonight by order of the PA Wing Commander - Flight Operations will cease. Read "Grounded"
The only flights taking place in PA will be at the NER Glider Academy under authorization and command of NER.
ALL WHEELS DOWN NLT 2100 NO PA WING MEMBER WILL ENGAGE IN FLIGHT OPERATIONS UNLESS AUTHORIZED BY THE REGION CC or REGION OPERATIONS FOR GLIDER ACADEMY OPERATIONS.

The following calls will be scheduled and information sent to you:
To be scheduled in this order:
Group CC Call
All Commanders Call
Pilots call.

PA Wing's incident rate is at an all time high and it has become apparent over the last months that a perpetual and systemic problem exists.

After these calls we will regroup and plan our move forward. We are rebuilding. Repetitive display of unprofessionalism, poor planning, accidents, hanger rash incidents, disregard for process and procedure  etc leave us no choice but to find the problem, root it out and move forward in the right direction.  The grounding is indefinite - this is not a safety down day it is a reconstruction of our program.

We will be working on getting support from neighboring wings for OFlights and CD missions. For commanders that had OFlights scheduled this weekend please notify your cadets that they will be rescheduled.

EMT-83

Quote from: THRAWN on July 11, 2014, 10:02:16 AM
And the wing commander still has a job? The fiddling continues.

Wing CC shouldn't be fired for telling the GOB Club to knock it off. It's certainly not the first time this has happened, and probably won't be the last.

SunDog

Wow. The whole Wing? All the pilots, in all the sqdns, we're mucking it up? It wasn't concentrated in a sub-set, or particular geo area? That's a big area to have complete coverage by folks messing up. . .this might do wonders for reataining pilots who've gotten lumped in with the bad apples. . .

Maybe it's a "get everyone's attention" kind of move?  One step forward, two steps back. . .

THRAWN

Quote from: EMT-83 on July 11, 2014, 12:33:18 PM
Quote from: THRAWN on July 11, 2014, 10:02:16 AM
And the wing commander still has a job? The fiddling continues.

Wing CC shouldn't be fired for telling the GOB Club to knock it off. It's certainly not the first time this has happened, and probably won't be the last.

If people are wrinkling airplanes on her watch, she is ultimately responsible. Wouldn't be the first, or last time, a commander was sacked due to loss of confidence in the ability to lead.
Strup-"Belligerent....at times...."
AFRCC SMC 10-97
NSS ISC 05-00
USAF SOS 2000
USAF ACSC 2011
US NWC 2016
USMC CSCDEP 2023

Eclipse

Quote from: EMT-83 on July 11, 2014, 12:33:18 PM
Quote from: THRAWN on July 11, 2014, 10:02:16 AM
And the wing commander still has a job? The fiddling continues.

Wing CC shouldn't be fired for telling the GOB Club to knock it off. It's certainly not the first time this has happened, and probably won't be the last.

The 1/2-full on this is a Wing CC taking decisive action when he sees a problem.

The 1/2-empty on this is allowing a culture of apathy and entitlement to grow in the wing which allows it to get so far that it requires "rebuilding".

"That Others May Zoom"

PHall

Wasn't PA Wing grounded a couple years ago by Region for pretty much the same reason?

Eclipse

Quote from: PHall on July 11, 2014, 03:39:59 PM
Wasn't PA Wing grounded a couple years ago by Region for pretty much the same reason?

Failed a CI in 2008: http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=4756.0

All stop in 2010: http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=11262.0

"That Others May Zoom"

THRAWN

Quote from: Eclipse on July 11, 2014, 03:44:55 PM
Quote from: PHall on July 11, 2014, 03:39:59 PM
Wasn't PA Wing grounded a couple years ago by Region for pretty much the same reason?

Failed a CI in 2008: http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=4756.0

All stop in 2010: http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=11262.0

Funny how history is redundant and repeats itself....
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NSS ISC 05-00
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Jon Moser

That is not a light move in the least. You could say...it's heavier than air  8)
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Director of IT
Southwest Region

Jon Moser

On a more serious note though, it would be interesting to find out what the details are as a lesson in what not to do...after everything is handled that is.

EDIT: added some words
JONATHAN R. MOSER, Capt, CAP
Director of IT
Southwest Region