Oops

[DH]

If the ELT goes off, does that qualify as a "Find"?

[manfredvonrichthofen]

If a CAP ELT goes off who looks for it?

[DakRadz]

Usually what happens first is that your prop hits the ground.  Once that happens your done flying.  The only thing that could save you is if you realized it BEFORE any portion of your aircraft touched.  But then you would still be flying anyway.  Then just tell ATC you were doing a high speed pass and hope they buy it.

Okay, I didn't know if that would happen first. Obviously that kills the flying fun.

So basically they completely did not realize they had forgotten the gear. Ouch.

Next question- anyone know what happens to members after such incidents? CAP-wise? FAA? What actions are taken?

[FW]

Next question- anyone know what happens to members after such incidents? CAP-wise? FAA? What actions are taken?

Well, cadet, the process (this is just a summary) begins with grounding the PIC (pilot in command).  A CAPF 78 is filled out followed by an investigation and completion of a CAPF 79.  The NTSB is notified as the flight ended in a manner not expected.  The NTSB conducts an investigation as well.  The respective wing commander decides what actions will be taken.  The region commander may be involved.  If the pilot is deemed negligent, a money assessment may be made.  Appeals can be made to the national commander thru the national controller. 
Let's just say this "oops" will be a headache for quite a few members.

[DakRadz]

Thank you Col. At this point it's knowledge for knowledge's sake, but at some point that'll be my motivation to not screw up...

Not that this is the slightest bit funny, but heck anyone for a caption contest! :clap:

"You said this was fixed gear, right? ... What do you mean you meant fixed wing?"

[HGjunkie]

Caption:

"Guess I should have paid attention to that flashing landing gear light".

"Who's picking up the tab at the bar tonight Johnny?"

[davidsinn]

"I don't think that's going to buff out, sir."

[NCRblues]

"you know, we should probably get those breaks check....sounded a bit grindy on the landing....."

[Sgt.Pain]

Someone send that to EPICFAIL.COM! lol

[DG]

The one guy was getting a Form 5.


The other guy was NY Wing's Chief Check Pilot.

[DG]

Why CAP still has RG's is beyond me...

Needed for commercial training and FAA check ride.

Needed for CFI training and FAA check ride.

Complex aircraft.  To say CAP should not fly is a put down.

[DG]

So, I've just been informed this aircraft was "totaled", meaning we lose an aircraft from the fleet.  Oh, well.  just another day at CAP renta plane...

Colonel,

These are the same guys who took our N6420T, our Cessna 182 RG.

Can we get it back ASAP before it is lost from the fleet too?

[A.Member]

Why CAP still has RG's is beyond me...

Needed for commercial training and FAA check ride.

Needed for CFI training and FAA check ride.

Complex aircraft.  To say CAP should not fly is a put down.

Our job is not flight training.  So, from that perspective, there is no real need for that airplane in our fleet.

[DG]

Why CAP still has RG's is beyond me...

Needed for commercial training and FAA check ride.

Needed for CFI training and FAA check ride.

Complex aircraft.  To say CAP should not fly is a put down.

Our job is not flight training.  So, from that perspective, there is no real need for that airplane in our fleet.

Wrong.

Have you ever read CAPR 60-1?

I suggest you go back and read it carefully before you make more statements that may make you look foolish.

[DakRadz]

As a cadet who is interested in flying- I still don't think it is anywhere near CAP's primary jobs.

It is a service which our program offers that can be greatly beneficial compared to commercial flight schools. There are no pilot requirements in which they must provide flight instruction in CAP.

A service which can be used, nothing more or less.

[Check Pilot/Tow Pilot]

Wrong.

Have you ever read CAPR 60-1?

I suggest you go back and read it carefully before you make more statements that may make you look foolish.

You can do all of that in a fixed gear Cessna and the have the member take his FAA check rides in Flying club complex aircraft.

Sell the RG's,  suck up the complex training and FAA check rides in Flying Clubs,  and take an extra hour to get where you're going.

Oh and DG,  respectfully,  lose the attitude.

[A.Member]

Why CAP still has RG's is beyond me...

Needed for commercial training and FAA check ride.

Needed for CFI training and FAA check ride.

Complex aircraft.  To say CAP should not fly is a put down.

Our job is not flight training.  So, from that perspective, there is no real need for that airplane in our fleet.

Wrong.

Have you ever read CAPR 60-1?

I suggest you go back and read it carefully before you make more statements that may make you look foolish.

Uh, yeah I have...

There is absolutely nothing in 60-1 to support the need for a RG.  As the clear authority on 60-1, I challenge you to prove otherwise.

Flight training is permitted by regulations...but not required.  That is a significant difference.  The only mission related to flight training are Flight Academies, which are open only to cadets with the objective of providing up to 10 hours of instruction.  However, participation in any flight training activity is at the sole discretion of the pilot.  There is no requirement that any pilot, squadron, group, or wing provide those opportunities.  But we do.  And when we do, it does not require a RG!

Furthermore, and perhaps more to the point, there is no requirement that CAP provide any specific type of aircraft or special equipment for the purpose of flight training.  Most wings do not have a complex aircraft (don't think that has anything to do with my earlier point by chance, do you?!).  I'm also not aware of any multi-engine or turbine aircraft.  However, they're not prohibited by the regulations.   So, what are the poor saps looking for those type ratings to do?!  Perhaps by your reasoning we need those type of aircraft as well.

My statement is certainly no more foolish than yours.   Perhaps you need to heed more of your own advice, DG.

[NIN]

Welcome to CAP-Talk, where a photo of a bent plane can turn from a caption contest into the Urinary Olympics in less than a page.

[JoeTomasone]

"It's supposed to be a touch and GO, Lieutenant...."

[DakRadz]

"It's supposed to be a touch and GO, Lieutenant...."

Way to set me off coughing and hacking, sir....