Background Check

Smoothice · September 18, 2009, 01:51:05 PM

I understand why a background check needs to be done. Believe me, I have nothing to hide. But, I got thinking about something though. I am a current pilot and a holder of my state's highest level firearms license. My figerprints are on file with the town/state/FBI because of the permit, and my driving records are with the FAA. So, if CAP is a "government" outfit, why can't they just go and consult the outfits that already have that information on file?

isuhawkeye · September 18, 2009, 02:19:46 PM

Unfortunately the systems are not that organized. Many of us have had literally dozens of background checks. Even within the world of secret and top secret clearances there are different agencies with different checks very few of which talk to each other. I know that HLS does not always communicate well with DOD.

Phil Hirons, Jr. · September 18, 2009, 02:33:00 PM

CAP NHQ is in the same building as AFROTC. The fact the ROTC has you prints / background check does not cover it either.

RiverAux · September 18, 2009, 03:22:33 PM

Well, even if they could, they would still want a new set of fingerprints to make sure that the person presenting themselves to CAP is the same person that those other checks were run on.

Additionally, who knows what kind of mischief you might have got in since the last time someone did a check on you?

Eclipse · September 18, 2009, 03:29:26 PM

Quote from: RiverAux on September 18, 2009, 03:22:33 PM
Additionally, who knows what kind of mischief you might have got in sense the last time someone did a check on you?

Especially with a car, airplane and a gun!

Johnny Yuma · September 26, 2009, 05:02:12 AM

Bottom Line: Left hand doesn't know what the Right hand's doing.

This isn't necessarily a bad thing.

wuzafuzz · September 26, 2009, 01:29:55 PM

Big Borther doesn't have it together that much yet. So everyone does their own backgrounds.

The day it all comes together is when SkyNet takes over.

Airrace · September 26, 2009, 02:01:19 PM

I had the same problem. I am a Governing Board member of our local school district and have been finger printed by the state and federal goverment but unfortunately the systems are not that organized.

Flying Pig · September 26, 2009, 04:40:16 PM

Ive worked for 3 separate law enforcement agencies. Each time I had to submit a separate fingerprint card when I got hired on. When you fill out a fingerprint card, you also sign it as well as the person certifying that those prints ACTUALLY came from you.

bricktonfire · October 16, 2009, 10:33:41 PM

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EMT-83 · October 16, 2009, 10:39:02 PM

You have smeared the reputation of a fellow Civil Air Patrol member, in a public forum, based on rumor or innuendo? Perhaps a review of Core Values is in order.

Major Lord · October 16, 2009, 10:54:13 PM

You would think that someone so up to date on other people's backgrounds that he would risk Libel, would at least be able to spell.....If you have an issue like this, you go through the chain of command. You are way, way, out of bounds.

Major Lord

bricktonfire · October 16, 2009, 11:02:43 PM

believe what you want you want, oh i'm not a member anymore,

notaNCO forever · October 16, 2009, 11:04:04 PM

Even if that is true it is none of your business to be posting it on a public forum. In fact I believe publicly accusing a member of something like that should be grounds for dismissal from CAP.

bricktonfire · October 16, 2009, 11:07:26 PM

again i'm not a member, i'm looking out for the safety of the of the CAP cadets

Short Field · October 16, 2009, 11:09:29 PM

Quote from: bricktonfire on October 16, 2009, 10:33:41 PM
Subject to being waived by the Executive Director or National Commander, any one of the following may be the basis for rejection of membership.

How do you know it wasn't waived? I know of other senior SMs who have felonies they picked up after joining that are still members. Each case is adjudicated on its own merits.

bricktonfire · October 16, 2009, 11:12:08 PM

he covered it up, and would u waiver soem one who was charged with DWI

Short Field · October 16, 2009, 11:20:45 PM

Not my call. National has the decision on it.

Would I waive someone? Depends on the case. I know people that have had a DWI in the past that I do not consider a threat to anyone today. Each case is different based on the specific facts.

bricktonfire · October 16, 2009, 11:22:25 PM

he did it in the past 5 year

Cecil DP · October 16, 2009, 11:27:08 PM

Quote from: bricktonfire on October 16, 2009, 11:12:08 PM
he covered it up, and would u waiver soem one who was charged with DWI

Depends on how long ago these alleged DWI's occured. Has he enrolled in a diversion program. WAs there any injuries as a result?

I would seriously reconsider granting a CAP drivers license, but membership termination?-Only if he intentionally covered up the charges and as stated earlier the background check does catch people. Though I do wish they would reverify every 5 years or so.