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hamburgee
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« on: October 08, 2017, 09:24:08 AM »

Hey everyone - with us going through our transition to ABUs, do you think we'll be transitioning the blue BDU to an all-blue corporate ABU, instead of sticking with the old BDU-style ones? Has anyone else had this thought? Has this been discussed at meetings regarding ABUs? I'd like to hear what other people think about it.

Edit for emphasis- this would just change the construction of the BBDU to match the ABU (pretty much just the extra pockets). It wouldn't change the colors of the BBDU or anything.
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« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2017, 10:19:09 AM »

I doubt changing the corporate uniform will happen since it is designed to be more distinctive from mama blue and since the new cloth insignia background more closely aligns with the corporate BDUs. Anything is possible, but most of us wearing this uniform don't want to have to purchase a new uniform.
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« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2017, 11:12:40 AM »

The extra pockets really are more function than "ABU-ness." (and really, its just the lower leg pockets + sleeve pen pockets)

If there's BBDUs that have those features and one of my guys showed up wearing them, I probably wouldn't even bat an eye. Might not even notice it unless I did an in-ranks inspection. :)

  The general pocket & collar config are such that those items are fairly minor cosmetic things.  Its not like someone showing up in solid Blue ACUs where the collar (mandarin) and pocket configurations (slant chest pockets, no lower pockets, sleeve pockets with velcro) are radically different than than the "BDU" config.

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« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2017, 12:35:52 PM »

Oh ok. When I read ABU-style blue BDU, this is what popped into my head (more the pattern than the cut):
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« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2017, 01:27:31 PM »

I’m with Nin. The difference from old BDUs to ABUs is a pen pocket on the sleeve and an extra pocket on the pant leg. Everything else is identical to the BDU. I wouldn’t even notice it if I glanced at someone’s BBDU.


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« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2017, 01:57:34 PM »

Its not like someone showing up in solid Blue ACUs where the collar (mandarin) and pocket configurations (slant chest pockets, no lower pockets, sleeve pockets with velcro) are radically different than than the "BDU" config.

If that were an option I’d consider BBDUs.

Maybe if the AF goes OCP I can see that being the next step but I doubt it.
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« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2017, 05:51:40 PM »

Yep that, combined with the change to dark blue insignia and namestrips, would convince me to go to the BBDU.


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« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2017, 09:51:49 PM »

Hey everyone - with us going through our transition to ABUs, do you think we'll be transitioning the blue BDU to an all-blue corporate ABU, instead of sticking with the old BDU-style ones? Has anyone else had this thought? Has this been discussed at meetings regarding ABUs? I'd like to hear what other people think about it.

Edit for emphasis- this would just change the construction of the BBDU to match the ABU (pretty much just the extra pockets). It wouldn't change the colors of the BBDU or anything.

If any change is to be made, CAP should align the BBDU to be identical with the USCG and USPHS blue uniform.
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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2017, 10:11:39 AM »

If any change is to be made, CAP should align the BBDU to be identical with the USCG and USPHS blue uniform.

HUH? Why do we need to share an identity with those orgs?
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« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2017, 05:45:26 PM »

If any change is to be made, CAP should align the BBDU to be identical with the USCG and USPHS blue uniform.

Except the people who have to wear that - myself included - universally hate it.
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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2017, 07:05:50 PM »

If any change is to be made, CAP should align the BBDU to be identical with the USCG and USPHS blue uniform.

HUH? Why do we need to share an identity with those orgs?

It is a US-issued standard, Barry-compliant uniform.
The CAP blue Vanguard uniform can be (and is) made anywhere.
USCG and USPHS blue BDU is made in the US to much higher quality standards.
That and you can buy them used inexpensively.
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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2017, 07:32:32 PM »


Every time someone throws the blue BDU hate (which is not universal, at all) I have to grin and remember George Peppard and Jan Michael Vincent really rocking their blue fatigues in "D-nation Alley" (1977). Man I loved that as a cadet.

They just made Paul Winfields security NCO look so mundane in his Class Bs...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXzVzfXFiS0&index=19&list=PLvS6K39Zj69VufzecSA437GKe9TECgMi7

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« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2017, 01:42:15 PM »

M39-1 notwithstanding, that currently useless dosimeter slot inside the left upper pocket can be carefully removed. Expertly sewn to the upper left sleeve it becomes a pen pocket. Expertly sewn, it looks like it belongs--AND IT HELPS US DO OUR JOB.

While you are at it, split one of the pants cargo pockets with a seam under the rear pocket pleat.  Your glasses/sunglasses/safety glasses case won't flop over sideways to the pocket bottom.


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« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2017, 02:29:46 PM »

M39-1 notwithstanding, that currently useless dosimeter slot inside the left upper pocket can be carefully removed. Expertly sewn to the upper left sleeve it becomes a pen pocket. Expertly sewn, it looks like it belongs--AND IT HELPS US DO OUR JOB.

While you are at it, split one of the pants cargo pockets with a seam under the rear pocket pleat.  Your glasses/sunglasses/safety glasses case won't flop over sideways to the pocket bottom.

I direct you to Paragraph 1.2.3.5 of CAPM 39-1 regarding your alterations.
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« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2017, 02:36:56 PM »

M39-1 notwithstanding, that currently useless dosimeter slot inside the left upper pocket can be carefully removed. Expertly sewn to the upper left sleeve it becomes a pen pocket. Expertly sewn, it looks like it belongs--AND IT HELPS US DO OUR JOB.

While you are at it, split one of the pants cargo pockets with a seam under the rear pocket pleat.  Your glasses/sunglasses/safety glasses case won't flop over sideways to the pocket bottom.

I direct you to Paragraph 1.2.3.5 of CAPM 39-1 regarding your alterations.

That's pretty funny.
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« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2017, 03:27:40 PM »

M39-1 notwithstanding, that currently useless dosimeter slot inside the left upper pocket can be carefully removed. Expertly sewn to the upper left sleeve it becomes a pen pocket. Expertly sewn, it looks like it belongs--AND IT HELPS US DO OUR JOB.

While you are at it, split one of the pants cargo pockets with a seam under the rear pocket pleat.  Your glasses/sunglasses/safety glasses case won't flop over sideways to the pocket bottom.

I direct you to Paragraph 1.2.3.5 of CAPM 39-1 regarding your alterations.

I believe you were headed off at the pass with "M39-1 notwithstanding...".
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