"U.S. Civil Air Patrol" too big?

RiverAux · June 15, 2007, 08:40:43 PM

Has anyone seen one of the new U.S. Civil Air Patrol tapes on a BDU or BBDU yet? I'm hearing that there because of the additional letters that the tapes extend past the edges of the pockets, making them look pretty silly. In looking at my own BDU it seems as if it would be a very tight fit, but would work. Any personal experiences?

IceNine · June 15, 2007, 08:47:43 PM

I have seen it it is indeed VERY tight fit with the letters filling up most of the space above the pocket, and of course it looks silly, we're trying to fit 10 gallons of poo in a 5 gallon bucket

mdickinson · June 15, 2007, 08:49:31 PM

No, it's not too big.

I wear a size small BDU blouse, and sewed three of the new "U.S. Civil Air Patrol" tapes on just last week.

The new tape fits the top of the pocket. Just barely, but it fits.

Ricochet13 · June 15, 2007, 09:21:20 PM

Quote from: mdickinson on June 15, 2007, 08:49:31 PM
I wear a size small BDU blouse, and sewed three of the new "U.S. Civil Air Patrol" tapes on just last week.
The new tape fits the top of the pocket. Just barely, but it fits.

You're lucky. I just had a seamstress sew tapes on size XL.

On the BBDU the "U.S.Civil Air Patrol" lettering extends the full width of the pocket. As the tape and uniform are blue, the 1/8 in border that extends beyond the pocket edge probably won't be noticeable.

On the Woodland Camouflage BDU the lettering fits a little better, but the tape extends about 1/16th of an inch past the edges of the pocket.

I have one more set of BDU's with "Civil Air Patrol". Haven't changed tapes on that set yet. Will probably wear until I figure out something with the others.

The BDU's, whether Woodland or Blue, are after all "work" uniforms, so if I work hard all the time when wearing them, hopefully I won't stand still long enough for anyone to notice

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O-Rex · June 15, 2007, 09:22:33 PM

I have my own unnamed source, but for now I might just buy the 'branch tapes' from Vanguard to be on the safe side (assuming they work)

The nametapes you all are discussing are from Vanguard, right?

Ricochet13 · June 15, 2007, 09:30:10 PM

Quote from: O-Rex on June 15, 2007, 09:22:33 PM
I have my own unnamed source, but for now I might just buy the 'branch tapes' from Vanguard to be on the safe side (assuming they work)

The nametapes you all are discussing are from Vanguard, right?

Yes, purchased from Vanguard. Actually got 36 of them. Thought I would give at least one each to new members. Kind of a welcome to the squadron type of thing. At least we'll all be "uniform".

mikeylikey · June 15, 2007, 10:15:12 PM

^^ If anyone finds some letter "overhang" send the crap back to Vanguard! Please don't be the first person I see to wear a tape that extends over the sides of the pocket! Not sure what will happen......but it will NOT be an AWESOME outcome!

Ricochet13 · June 15, 2007, 10:24:06 PM

Quote from: mikeylikey on June 15, 2007, 10:15:12 PM
^^ If anyone finds some letter "overhang" send the crap back to Vanguard! Please don't be the first person I see to wear a tape that extends over the sides of the pocket! Not sure what will happen......but it will NOT be an AWESOME outcome!

I hope you don't feel the need to "lock heels" of some cadet who tried to do their best.
Nah . . . I trust you on that.

Ricochet13 · June 15, 2007, 10:28:57 PM

And . . . while feeling inspired by mikeylikey's encouragement . . . I'll make a call to Vanguard Monday morning and report back on the suggestion of returning tapes for replacement.

Ricochet13 · June 15, 2007, 11:04:02 PM

Just a follow-up . . . East Coast office of Vanguard was closed by the time I called today (Friday). Called West Coast office, but all CAP uniforms are handled through East Coast office, so will have to wait for Monday. Stay tuned!

IceNine · June 15, 2007, 11:07:07 PM

Give'em hell for us!

Ricochet13 · June 15, 2007, 11:23:40 PM

Just for the record . . . not going to give anyone "hell".

I've found that most of the time "the quieter you talk, the better people listen".

And, although I've "locked heels" and handed out less than "awesome outcomes" when I was younger and just learning to lead, I found the solution tends to be short term and doesn't build the lasting relationships that help everyone end up a winner.

IceNine · June 15, 2007, 11:33:13 PM

ok, then have fun dealing with the most customer service oriented business I have ever dealt with

MIKE · June 15, 2007, 11:52:40 PM

I have CIVIL AIR PATROL tapes I got from the Hock that don't fit within the pocket width... That's without the U.S. I also have tapes that I got form 1800nametapes that fit with plenty of room to spare (Can't sell them anymore though unfortunately.

)... Also sans U.S. These ones even fit better than the ones the Bookstore sold in the pre-CAPMart daze.

MIKE · June 15, 2007, 11:58:06 PM

Quote from: O-Rex on June 15, 2007, 09:22:33 PM
I have my own unnamed source, but for now I might just buy the 'branch tapes' from Vanguard to be on the safe side (assuming they work)

The first rule of Fight Club: We don't talk about Fight Club.

SDF_Specialist · June 17, 2007, 05:00:20 AM

I just recently got the USCAP tapes, and they seem to fit fine on my BDU's. I'm wondering if there is a variety of letter sizes floating throughout the Vanguard warehouse. There have been times when I've ordered one thing, then had to order it again, but got a different size. Just a thought.

SJFedor · June 17, 2007, 05:05:40 AM

Quote from: MIKE on June 15, 2007, 11:52:40 PM
I have CIVIL AIR PATROL tapes I got from the Hock that don't fit within the pocket width... That's without the U.S. I also have tapes that I got form 1800nametapes that fit with plenty of room to spare (Can't sell them anymore though unfortunately. )... Also sans U.S. These ones even fit better than the ones the Bookstore sold in the pre-CAPMart daze.

Waaaait a second!!!

CAP was sending out C&D because they own the rights to "Civil Air Patrol", they don't have any ownership of rights on the term "US Civil Air Patrol", at least, I haven't seen it in public law or the USC yet.

Therefore, 1800nametapes should be back in business for us!!!

mikeylikey · June 17, 2007, 01:36:28 PM

^^ Correct!

RiverAux · June 17, 2007, 02:13:58 PM

Uh, except for the part of the name tapes that say "Civil Air Patrol" on it...CAP still has all the rights to it, just none to "U.S."

Eclipse · June 17, 2007, 03:54:30 PM

Quote from: RiverAux on June 17, 2007, 02:13:58 PM
Uh, except for the part of the name tapes that say "Civil Air Patrol" on it...CAP still has all the rights to it, just none to "U.S."

The Civil Air Patrol, does not, and cannot own the rights to common terms such as "civil", "air", and "patrol".

The only thing they potentially own the rights to are insignia which are unique to CAP and not used in other services. Even this is iffy at best, because an argument could be made that they were created using public funds, etc., etc.,

Its simply not worth the hassle and expense to fight a case like this when the dollars made are probably very small, and there are ways to conduct the same business if you are creative.