civil air patrol base access

[slimshady]

Hello everyone i saw an old post about someone claiming they were able to get a dbids card for being in cap so he could get base access and i was wondering if anyone knew how to do that because my old unit is on an airforce base and i am going to be transferring back to them but today i tried to go on and they said civil air patrol is not allowed on base cause they cant scan my id card and i need a cac card or dbids card.

[lordmonar]

The procedures differ from wing to wing and base to base.

I would contact your old unit on how to get base access.

[Holding Pattern]

Hello everyone i saw an old post about someone claiming they were able to get a dbids card for being in cap

No.

The most likely thing that happened is they were sponsored by someone, which was the reason they got an access card, NOT because they are in the CAP. That being said, your CAP base liaison will be able to solve the base access problem one way or another.

Many bothans died to bring you this information.

[slimshady]

So even though cap has just been made officially part of the airforce total force they still wont give us dbids or cac cards?

[Гугл переводчик]

So even though cap has just been made officially part of the airforce total force they still wont give us dbids or cac cards?

Depends on the base. The base we meet on has a list of all members, and we are able to get DBIDS cards of which one of the commanders of the base is the sponsor

[RogueLeader]

No.  While we are part of the Total Force (when acting as the Air Force Auxiliary- only while on an AFAM), we are still civilian volunteers.  While there maybe several bases that issue DBIDS cards to certain personnel, that by no means guarantees use unlimited access to any base that we want.

Rumor has it- so take it for what you paid for it- is that we MIGHT be getting them.  No I don't have a source for it, and I wouldn't go begging for them through your chain of command- or around it either.

At FE Warren AFB, my CAPID and Drivers License is good enough to get me on base when I need it.

[Holding Pattern]

So even though cap has just been made officially part of the airforce total force they still wont give us dbids or cac cards?

A base access has always been discretion of the base commander.

[slimshady]

It just seems like there is alot of people not talking to each other at this base macdill afb in tampa fl since there is a cap unit on the base but then they tell me cap is not allowed on the base.

[MSG Mac]

When I was stationed at MacDill from 2003-2006, there was a Squadron on the base. Not to mention the FLWG HQ. But MacD also has the tightest security of any base I've ever been on, probably because of the two four star commands (CENTCOM, and Special OPs) which are located on the base. 

[slimshady]

For years my cap id was good enough to get on but once in awhile i get denied its very strange.

[Holding Pattern]

It just seems like there is alot of people not talking to each other at this base macdill afb in tampa fl since there is a cap unit on the base but then they tell me cap is not allowed on the base.

Send a politely worded email to the on base CAP squadron commander asking if there is anything he can do to assist with base access. Don't go into details like DBIDS/CAC, just talk about base access.

[lordmonar]

It just seems like there is alot of people not talking to each other at this base macdill afb in tampa fl since there is a cap unit on the base but then they tell me cap is not allowed on the base.

Who exactly is "they"?   Like I said.  Contact the unit and work out your base access issues.  They will tell you what channels you need to go through.

As has been stated....each base does it differently.

At Nellis they issue DBIDS to those who need regular access.  Our squadron (that meets on base) is the POC for the whole wing.
Some bases just keep a list of names.
Some bases just use a CAPID card and a Driver's license.
Some bases have other procedures.

So...once again.   Contact the unit and ask them for assistance.

[slimshady]

It is so ridiculous we volunteer our time and are not paid, we should have all the same benefits as civilian employees do and contractors that are given cac cards, they claim we are officially part of the air force until it comes time to do anything for us. I understand obviously cadets shouldn't have cac cards but senior members definitely should.

[lordmonar]

It is so ridiculous we volunteer our time and are not paid, we should have all the same benefits as civilian employees do and contractors that are given cac cards, they claim we are officially part of the air force until it comes time to do anything for us. I understand obviously cadets shouldn't have cac cards but senior members definitely should.

Most civilan contractors don't have CACs......they have DBIBS.
As for why?   Well 90% of CAP members simply don't need that level of access.
We can and do get access when we have a valid need for....because the USAF does recognize that we are valued unpaid volunteer professionals.

Hence the reason why you ask the local unit on how you effect that access.

[slimshady]

That's like saying you have to have a valid need to shop at the Commissary or go to the gym, it should just be a benefit for serving in civil air patrol certainly if civilian employees can.

[lordmonar]

That's like saying you have to have a valid need to shop at the Commissary or go to the gym, it should just be a benefit for serving in civil air patrol certainly if civilian employees can.

When base security is at stake.......yes I can say that!

First off as far as I know civilian employees (contractors for sure) don't have access to the commissary or the gym.   So why should the run of the mill lowest common denominator CAP member?

We by regulation have access to AAFES clothing sales.  We have by regulation the ability to use base facilities to do CAP stuff.   

I think that is enough.

I do agree that CAP and USAF can and should work together to make it easier to access the base when needed....and to standardize those procedures across all bases.   But unlimited access to all the benefits that an employee or a dependent has.......I don't see the real need for that.

[goblin]

Hello everyone i saw an old post about someone claiming they were able to get a dbids card for being in cap so he could get base access and i was wondering if anyone knew how to do that because my old unit is on an airforce base and i am going to be transferring back to them but today i tried to go on and they said civil air patrol is not allowed on base cause they cant scan my id card and i need a cac card or dbids card.

They won't issue CACs until you start using periods.

[slimshady]

We go through an FBI background check so that takes care of security for senior members and most of the time they do let me on base with just my cap id and once your on you are good to go they let you shop at the commissary and go to the gym or whatever else you wanna do on there. and i don't think its a lot to ask for volunteering to help the USAF and even buying all of our own supplies and uniform items.

[slimshady]

ooh how fun a grammar nazi, ill frustrate myself over punctuation next time i take a english test.

[raivo]

most of the time they do let me on base with just my cap id and once your on you are good to go they let you shop at the commissary and go to the gym or whatever else you wanna do on there

If you think you're having trouble getting on base now, wait until they discover you're using base access to take advantage of privileges you don't have.