SLS - Squadron Leadership School

[trinidadj75]

Hello Everyone;

   I was just curious, there haven't been many SLS around and many Senior members are in need of them.......how can a squadron put together a SLS for the group or others? I see many seniors that have been waiting for ever for one of this been put together specially in the FL wing area. I just start back the CAP and have been assign the position of PDO Assistant, Safety officer assistant and Health Services Officer Assistant.




Jorge L, Trinidad, SM, CAP
Clearwater Composite Squadron
PD,  HS, SE, AE, SER-FL-447

[Eclipse]

The curriculum is canned and actually very good, and a no-brainer to present.

All you need is permission of the Wing PDO, as the Wing CC needs to certify it, a weekend,
and a few experienced members to do the presentations.

[mwewing]

In Michigan, PD courses are most often organized at the group level with wing approval. However, if a unit has significant need, it probably wouldn't be hard to get group to sign off on the course and let the local unit host it for convenience.

I can't really speak about how Florida does things, but I imagine it is rather similar. I would propose the idea up your chain of command and/or connect with the Group PD Officer and make an inquiry. Nobody should be waiting forever for an SLS. If all else fails they are offered online. However, I strongly recommend in-seat courses because of the valuable networking opportunities.

[DrKem]

According to CAPR 50-17, each wing should offer at least one Squadron Leadership School per year.  I have heard of online SLS classes in your wing, but I can't verify that from personal knowledge.  Contact your wing PDO and ask.  If your wing doesn't offer one in the near future, you can always visit another state.  As Eclipse and mwewing noted, you can also try to get one going in your squadron.  As an Assistant PDO, you can take a leadership roll and help organize it!  Good Luck!

[LSThiker]

If all else fails they are offered online. However, I strongly recommend in-seat courses because of the valuable networking opportunities.

Unfortunately, according to NHQ, there is about a 1.5 year wait list for the online school.  Unless you really cannot get time off or what not, it is better to do the 2-3 day SLS. 

[SARDOC]

My wing has been trying a hybrid online/in-person course...do multiple homework assignments and then a one day in person course.  Most seem to like it because they don't necessarily need to arrange for lodging but still get the benefit of the in person networking.

[a2capt]

1.5 year wait? 

Seriously. That's just ridiculous. That could span a couple renewals for some people. Hopefully that is a semi-automated thing and when people drop, or otherwise opt to take a weekend course and have their credit posted to eServices, that it checks and removes them by CAPID.

[Brit_in_CAP]

I'm currently taking the on-line SLS but I can't comment on the quality or content - this is Day 2 of Week 1 of 8 Weeks!

That said, I am a strong supported of on-line or distance learning although the medium isn't suitable for every subject or every learner.  I successfully completed a Masters degree this way when there was no other way for me to do so and similar reasons apply to my taking the on-line SLS.   The in-seat classes have the priceless interaction with other people but the on-line version offers the opportunity to share and network with people from all across the CAP.  "Pay your money, take your choice"!

I did get a message from NHQ when I applied that there was a 1.5 year wait but my wait time was 3 months.  The course is run by Wyoming Wing and they do run more than one per year.  They also run the on-line CLC (I can see the class listings in their MOODLE application although I can't access it).

My wing does run the SLS annually but demand is high; a colleague took a SLS class which was approved by the relevant Wing but it ran for only one (very long) day and purported to cover the material....buyer beware and check very carefully before you take the class that it is approved and will count.  I'll spare the blushes of the Wing concerned.   

My advice would be to apply for the on-line SLS, make it known to your command and Wing staff that you want to do the course and reach out to neighboring Wings (depending on the geographical proximity).

[Eclipse]

Running an SLS or CLC on a single day is a bad idea and shortchanges the students in favor of expediency.

A wing should be running them often enough and geographically located that no one feels the need to
have to drive very far, or stay over night.

[a2capt]

"should be" and "are", are many different things. CAWG as an example, means doubling up, because of the distance covered that means a lot of territory.

OTOH, it seems that people out west don't bat an eye at driving a fair distance, compared to other locales.

[Eclipse]

Personally, if your wing has groups, I think every group should be running an SLS/CLC/TLC every year.

The SLS /CLC on a single weekend is a good fit, it maximizes your instructor pool, then have a TLC "other".

That would get most sizeable wings the opportunities they need.

No reason this needs to be a "wing" thing (other then approval).

And if your "wing doesn't have enough people who need it", then you've identified your real problem.

[Brit_in_CAP]

Running an SLS or CLC on a single day is a bad idea and shortchanges the students in favor of expediency.

A wing should be running them often enough and geographically located that no one feels the need to
have to drive very far, or stay over night.

I agree wholeheartedly!

"should be" and "are", are many different things. CAWG as an example, means doubling up, because of the distance covered that means a lot of territory.

OTOH, it seems that people out west don't bat an eye at driving a fair distance, compared to other locales.

Politely, but I think that's unfair.  You may well be right about how people view travel and distance based on where they live, and we should not expect to have everything happen in our own backyard but we're all volunteers, balancing this with other activities.    Adding travel and accommodation, often not reimbursed, will tip the balance between going or not going, no matter how much someone might want to attend.  The same is true when an activity requires the use of vacation or personal days - only so many to go around each year!

[BFreemanMA]

Also, before signing up for an on-line SLS, make sure that your Wing accepts on-line SLS. In MAWG, we have a wing-level regulations that says all SLSs must be done in-residence. It makes sense to me because of the networking and opportunities for discussion an in-residence SLS affords, but I also know that some people have crazy schedules.

[UH60guy]

That's weird, I wouldn't think a wing would be authorized to prohibit something provided by National. Makes me think of the antebellum attempts at nullification.

[Eclipse]

That's weird, I wouldn't think a wing would be authorized to prohibit something provided by National. Makes me think of the antebellum attempts at nullification.

The online SLS wasn't intended to replace the in-face version, it's supposed to allow members with legitimate impediments to
normal participation from being defacto-barred from the activity.

I can totally understand why a wing would want to consider participation on either a per-member basis, or perhaps
require in-face participation.

Fort a number of years my wing was running 3-5 sessions of SLS/CLC per year, even some weekday sessions, so there
was really no excuse for not participating in-face.  However prior to that, it could be years between them, and/or the only
one offered was 6+ hours away.  Understandable if people couldn't get down there.

If I was a wing CC, running 3-5 plus sessions a year, I'd want to know exactly why a given member couldn't participate in those
classes.  A big part of the SLS/CLC is the networking, and an important value of the networking is the local aspect of
meeting and working with people from your own wing. 

[UH60guy]

I agree, the face-to-face has the best value, and the online should be a case-by-case basis. However, an outright ban on it sounds fishy. Meh, it could be like everything else, they'd just request a waiver and explain the hardship and could probably make it happen if they had to.

*Note, I don't know the specifics of MAWG or how frequently and where they hold SLS. But again, that's more fodder for a waiver request if a member either can't find an available class or can't make the distance.

[Brit_in_CAP]

Purely for the record: at the time I applied and was granted a place, VAWG did not have an SLS in sight and there was a backlog appearing.  I don't recall the wing staff being involved in the allocation although I wasn't shy about telling people - politely - that I had applied and why.  Being offered a place 10 hours driving away wasn't going to work, to be honest.

I wholeheartedly agree with the comments re networking etc and I also agree that an outright ban is "fishy".

If I was a wing CC, running 3-5 plus sessions a year, I'd want to know exactly why a given member couldn't participate in those
classes.  A big part of the SLS/CLC is the networking, and an important value of the networking is the local aspect of
meeting and working with people from your own wing. 

Yep, my thought also.

In my circumstances...I do what I can to move forward and be of more value / use.

[GroundHawg]

IMHO. The 1.5 year wait is to encourage people to go to face to face. I signed up for online, was told it would be around 12 to 18 months and was enrolled within 1.5 months.

It was a lot more time consuming than I had planned for and bank on logging in daily.

[Brit_in_CAP]

All fair points.  I am fortunate in that my employer allows me a to login at work during my lunch hour, which should help.

I think you're right about the encouragement, which is, on balance, the right direction to take.  The on-line version does at least offer one more way to take the class.

I took a Masters via the on-line version and, other than not travelling to the classes which I simply could not do at the time, it took probably more time overall than the F2F, plus it lacks the interaction of in-seat training.  That said...it worked, the training was good and I was very pleased with the outcome.

[jjmalott]

Also, before signing up for an on-line SLS, make sure that your Wing accepts on-line SLS. In MAWG, we have a wing-level regulations that says all SLSs must be done in-residence. It makes sense to me because of the networking and opportunities for discussion an in-residence SLS affords, but I also know that some people have crazy schedules.

It sounds like your wing-level regulation may be in direct conflict with National's approved online SLS and CLC.  The Wyoming Wing signs off on the completed courses AND National signs the certificates.