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Started by WildWeasel, January 27, 2014, 12:27:20 AM

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The CyBorg is destroyed

Quote from: Storm Chaser on January 29, 2014, 05:18:31 PM
That's true to an extend. The polo shirt with gray pants is a work uniform, but not a field uniform. It should not be worn in field conditions, such as doing ground search and rescue in the wilderness.

For safety reasons if nothing else.
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VNY

Quote from: Storm Chaser on January 29, 2014, 05:18:31 PMThat's true to an extend. The polo shirt with gray pants is a work uniform, but not a field uniform. It should not be worn in field conditions, such as doing ground search and rescue in the wilderness.

You wouldn't wear a flight suit for that either.  In no way did I mean to say the polo could be the ONLY work uniform, though a lot of people match it up with grey tac pants and use it that way.

Private Investigator

Quote from: ol'fido on January 27, 2014, 04:26:41 AM
OD Jungle Fatigues, OD Jungle Boots, and OD Fatigue Hat.


Now that is a squared away Cadet at his encampment   :clap:

Private Investigator

Quote from: WildWeasel on January 27, 2014, 12:27:20 AM
I've made you National Commander of CAP for the day. But you can make only ONE frivolous uniform change. I'll be nice and let it be as big or small of a change as you want. What is your biggest OCD issue with the uniforms CAPTalk.

my #1 KHAKIS   8)

ol'fido

Quote from: Private Investigator on January 29, 2014, 10:35:52 PM
Quote from: ol'fido on January 27, 2014, 04:26:41 AM
OD Jungle Fatigues, OD Jungle Boots, and OD Fatigue Hat.


Now that is a squared away Cadet at his encampment   :clap:
Yes, but standing fire watch is a little dodgy.
Lt. Col. Randy L. Mitchell
Historian, Group 1, IL-006

sarmed1

Quote from: CyBorg on January 29, 2014, 05:28:04 PM
Quote from: Storm Chaser on January 29, 2014, 05:18:31 PM
That's true to an extend. The polo shirt with gray pants is a work uniform, but not a field uniform. It should not be worn in field conditions, such as doing ground search and rescue in the wilderness.

For safety reasons if nothing else.

We did mention the tac/5.11 pant type option, but what makes it otherwise unsafe?

mk
Capt.  Mark "K12" Kleibscheidel

Camas

Bring back the 1505's and the silver tans (1193's). Great looking uniforms!

The CyBorg is destroyed

Quote from: sarmed1 on January 30, 2014, 01:44:25 AM
We did mention the tac/5.11 pant type option, but what makes it otherwise unsafe?
mk

The fabric of the polo shirt itself is very thin.  I do not think that it is suited for "wilderness" operations, what with all the branches, thorns, thistles, etc. one can find in such a setting.
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tribalelder

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Polo shirt fabric is thin. But, likely to be covered by climate and conditions-appropriate civilian outerwear in any 'field' situation--after all, most polo shirts are short sleeve.

My uniform change - besides the upcoming weigh-ins, some measure of fitness to wear AF uniforms. Mile run at slowest cadet time ? Other suggestions ? 

The fitness requirement could be waived for ceremonial events--like awards nights, conferences and termination appeals.
WE ARE HERE ON CAPTALK BECAUSE WE ALL CARE ABOUT THE PROGRAM. We may not always agree and we should not always agree.  One of our strengths as an organization is that we didn't all go to the same school, so we all know how to do something different and differently. 
Since we all care about CAP, its members and our missions, sometimes our discussions will be animated, but they should always civil -- after all, it's in our name.

Eclipse

Quote from: tribalelder on January 30, 2014, 02:11:51 PMMy uniform change - besides the upcoming weigh-ins, some measure of fitness to wear AF uniforms. Mile run at slowest cadet time ? Other suggestions ? 

The proposed weigh-ins are a suggestion, and while it's something I would do, 99.9% of the unit CC's aren't going to want
to have those conversations.

A fitness test for the USAF-style uniforms would never fly.  That pre-supposes there's a fitness need for most CAP activities (there isn't)
and would also cause issues with older members who are well within specs but not able to run, etc.

"That Others May Zoom"

Panache

Is there a mile run for active-duty USAF?  Just curious.

Eclipse

Also, I can't believe this drive-by troll generated 3 pages of comments on the same, tired, dusty road.
(Myself included).

"That Others May Zoom"

a2capt

That's why I just sat there and watched.

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Quote from: ol'fido on January 29, 2014, 11:58:26 PM
Quote from: Private Investigator on January 29, 2014, 10:35:52 PM
Quote from: ol'fido on January 27, 2014, 04:26:41 AM
OD Jungle Fatigues, OD Jungle Boots, and OD Fatigue Hat.


Now that is a squared away Cadet at his encampment   :clap:
Yes, but standing fire watch is a little dodgy.

Well, actually quite 'sporty', IMHO   8)

sarmed1

Quote from: Panache on January 30, 2014, 03:30:47 PM
Is there a mile run for active-duty USAF?  Just curious.

1.5 run actually.....

mk

Capt.  Mark "K12" Kleibscheidel

sarmed1

Quote from: Eclipse on January 30, 2014, 03:18:37 PM
Quote from: tribalelder on January 30, 2014, 02:11:51 PMMy uniform change - besides the upcoming weigh-ins, some measure of fitness to wear AF uniforms. Mile run at slowest cadet time ? Other suggestions ? 

The proposed weigh-ins are a suggestion, and while it's something I would do, 99.9% of the unit CC's aren't going to want
to have those conversations.

A fitness test for the USAF-style uniforms would never fly.  That pre-supposes there's a fitness need for most CAP activities (there isn't)
and would also cause issues with older members who are well within specs but not able to run, etc.

In the reality of the USAF there isnt much of a need for fitness either.  Only a small precent perform duties with either a frequency or likelyhood of comabt or survival that being "super fit" is a necesity. 

I still say that CAP would benefit from a reasonable appearance in uniform (similar to the USAF) standard for USAF style wear.  Alternatively I would accept a weigh vs demonstrated physical fitness test.  If you are outside the weight limit you can do the physical fitness test, pass and you are good to go (I would consider the BMI/ % body fat measurement plan also)

mk
Capt.  Mark "K12" Kleibscheidel

Shuman 14

Quote from: Private Investigator on January 29, 2014, 10:37:05 PM
Quote from: WildWeasel on January 27, 2014, 12:27:20 AM
I've made you National Commander of CAP for the day. But you can make only ONE frivolous uniform change. I'll be nice and let it be as big or small of a change as you want. What is your biggest OCD issue with the uniforms CAPTalk.

my #1 KHAKIS   8)

I was waiting for someone to say the "K" word.  :clap:
Joseph J. Clune
Lieutenant Colonel, Military Police

USMCR: 1990 - 1992                           USAR: 1993 - 1998, 2000 - 2003, 2005 - Present     CAP: 2013 - 2014, 2021 - Present
INARNG: 1992 - 1993, 1998 - 2000      Active Army: 2003 - 2005                                       USCGAux: 2004 - Present

Shuman 14

Quote from: Camas on January 30, 2014, 06:31:24 AM
Bring back the 1505's and the silver tans (1193's). Great looking uniforms!

Concur except then need to be in a more modern fabric (i.e. poly/rayon or poly/cotton blends). it would make them much easier to maintain and clean. They would also need less ironing.
Joseph J. Clune
Lieutenant Colonel, Military Police

USMCR: 1990 - 1992                           USAR: 1993 - 1998, 2000 - 2003, 2005 - Present     CAP: 2013 - 2014, 2021 - Present
INARNG: 1992 - 1993, 1998 - 2000      Active Army: 2003 - 2005                                       USCGAux: 2004 - Present

Shuman 14

Quote from: Eclipse on January 30, 2014, 03:38:01 PM
Also, I can't believe this drive-by troll generated 3 pages of comments on the same, tired, dusty road.
(Myself included).

The road may be tired and dusty but I'm guessing CAP members are still willing to travel on it do to their discontent with the current uniform situation.
Joseph J. Clune
Lieutenant Colonel, Military Police

USMCR: 1990 - 1992                           USAR: 1993 - 1998, 2000 - 2003, 2005 - Present     CAP: 2013 - 2014, 2021 - Present
INARNG: 1992 - 1993, 1998 - 2000      Active Army: 2003 - 2005                                       USCGAux: 2004 - Present

Eclipse

Clearly and pointless.

"That Others May Zoom"