Red Service Ribbon

41839j · July 30, 2012, 03:16:33 PM

OK, I am back for more punnishment. My anniversary date of joining CAP is 26 July 2010. That would indicate two years of service. Am I now entitled to obtain and wear the red service ribbon? I am ready now, so sock it you me!

ßτε · July 30, 2012, 03:22:28 PM

You would use CAPF 2a to request award of the Red Service Ribbon. Per CAPR 39-3, the approving authority is the wing commander, but may be delegated to a lower echelon. See your wings supplement to CAPR 39-3 to see if this has been done. Submit to your squadron commander to initiate the approval process.

PHall · July 30, 2012, 04:46:27 PM

Okay, first things first. Talk to your squadron commander and remind them that you now have two years service and are entitled to the Red Service Ribbon.
Your Squadron Commander has to approve the CAP Form 2a, so having them "in the loop" from the beginning should keep them happy.

jeders · July 30, 2012, 05:35:49 PM

Quote from: PHall on July 30, 2012, 04:46:27 PM
Okay, first things first...

...congratulations on 2 years.

Next, submit a form 2a to your squadron commander for his/her approval.

Shotgun · July 30, 2012, 11:59:03 PM

And just a reminder . . .

It is primarily the responsibility of the individual member to do the paperwork for there activity awards and service ribbons. Don't wait for such a ribbon to be handed to you. (Of course any Personnel Officer worth his salt will keep on top of the issue.)

CAPR 39-3 AWARD OF CAP MEDALS, RIBBONS, AND CERTIFICATES 7 February 2012

19. Administration Procedures for Award of Activity and Service Ribbons. The individual member is responsible for preparing and submitting to the unit commander CAP Form 2a, Request for and Approval of Personnel Actions, when the requirements for an activity or service ribbon have been completed. The CAP Form 2a is then forwarded by the unit commander to the appropriate approving authority. (If the unit commander has been delegated approving authority by the wing commander as outlined in paragraph 18b, the unit commander simply approves the form and returns it to the recipient.)

spacecommand · July 31, 2012, 12:03:59 AM

In my Wing, the authority to award the red service ribbon is delegated to the Squadron Commander. When I reached my 2 year mark, I filled out the CAPF 2a and brought it with me to the next meeting and he signed it on the spot. (I had two copies signed, one went into my squadron record, the other for my personal records).

Garibaldi · July 31, 2012, 12:09:28 AM

Yeah, I figured out I had 19 years service and sent in my 2a for another bronze clasp. Dummy me, I should have waited another 6 months for my 20 year pin...

Eclipse · July 31, 2012, 12:09:40 AM

Meh - RSR is one of the self-actualizing ribbons. No approval necessary.

This date + that date = move on.

The only reason a 2a should be necessary is if there is a break in service that needs to be documented.

PHall · July 31, 2012, 12:37:54 AM

Quote from: Eclipse on July 31, 2012, 12:09:40 AM
Meh - RSR is one of the self-actualizing ribbons. No approval necessary.

This date + that date = move on.

The only reason a 2a should be necessary is if there is a break in service that needs to be documented.

No, a Form 2a or a PA is needed to document the award. The approved 2a or PA is the authority for you to wear the award.

Eclipse · July 31, 2012, 12:39:45 AM

Quote from: PHall on July 31, 2012, 12:37:54 AM
No, a Form 2a or a PA is needed to document the award. The approved 2a or PA is the authority for you to wear the award.

Disagree - the calendar is the authority for you to wear the award. Anything already documented in eServices should
not be "re-approved" by a lower authority "just because".

Old road, but what the heck...when NHQ documents something in eServices, they are already the highest authority and
the dec has already been approved. Encampments, NCSA, NESA, RSR, level badges, etc.

Otherwise, by inference, if a commander has to approve the wear, then there is a lane for him to disapprove the wear,
and that is outside his scope of authority for a national award already recorded as completed.

Garibaldi · July 31, 2012, 12:52:21 AM

Quote from: Eclipse on July 31, 2012, 12:39:45 AM
Quote from: PHall on July 31, 2012, 12:37:54 AM
No, a Form 2a or a PA is needed to document the award. The approved 2a or PA is the authority for you to wear the award.

Disagree - the calendar is the authority for you to wear the award. Anything already documented in eServices should
not be "re-approved" by a lower authority "just because".

Old road, but what the heck...when NHQ documents something in eServices, they are already the highest authority and
the dec has already been approved. Encampments, NCSA, NESA, RSR, level badges, etc.

Otherwise, by inference, if a commander has to approve the wear, then there is a lane for him to disapprove the wear,
and that is outside his scope of authority for a national award already recorded as completed.

Mah qwershtun...if a 2a isn't needed, then why is there a category for it on the form?

starshippe · July 31, 2012, 01:18:58 AM

capr 39-3, section f, para 19 appears to agree with phall.

bill

modified... looks like the service ribbon does not get any extra clasps at 19 years anyway. it is shown as going from 3 bronze clasps at 15 years to a "20" pin at 20 years.

Eclipse · July 31, 2012, 01:28:29 AM

Quote from: Garibaldi on July 31, 2012, 12:52:21 AM
Mah qwershtun...if a 2a isn't needed, then why is there a category for it on the form?

Because there are some circumstances where substantiation is necessary, and also because
the paper systems predate the electronic ones and have not been caught up.

For years there were unit CC's that used to push 2a's for flight wings and GT badges even though those weren't even on the forms.

There's practical reality and there's unnecessary paperwork. Things already substantiated, or approved at higher HQ, do not need to
be re-approved at a lower level.

If you or your CC don't agree, draft a 2A. But this is not some thing I would or ever did require in cases of self-actualizing decorations.

When else? Yeager? No, the cert on the wall says I already earned it. Levels I-II-II-IV? Nope, same thing. If you've already
got a piece of paper in your hand that provides an award, why would you need to re-approve it?

Garibaldi · July 31, 2012, 01:42:33 AM

Quote from: starshippe on July 31, 2012, 01:18:58 AM
capr 39-3, section f, para 19 appears to agree with phall.

bill

modified... looks like the service ribbon does not get any extra clasps at 19 years anyway. it is shown as going from 3 bronze clasps at 15 years to a "20" pin at 20 years.

I am aware. I put in for 15 years.

Private Investigator · July 31, 2012, 02:02:25 AM

Quote from: Eclipse on July 31, 2012, 12:39:45 AM
Quote from: PHall on July 31, 2012, 12:37:54 AM
No, a Form 2a or a PA is needed to document the award. The approved 2a or PA is the authority for you to wear the award.

Disagree - the calendar is the authority for you to wear the award. Anything already documented in eServices should
not be "re-approved" by a lower authority "just because".

Where in eServices does it say I have a Red Service Ribbon?

Eclipse · July 31, 2012, 02:05:36 AM

Quote from: Private Investigator on July 31, 2012, 02:02:25 AM
Where in eServices does it say I have a Red Service Ribbon?

Join date minus today's date. For the vast majority, that is an unbroken chain.

When it's not, then you need a 2a to substantiate whatever is not recorded properly.

ColonelJack · July 31, 2012, 02:27:45 AM

Quote from: Eclipse on July 31, 2012, 02:05:36 AM
Quote from: Private Investigator on July 31, 2012, 02:02:25 AM
Where in eServices does it say I have a Red Service Ribbon?

Join date minus today's date. For the vast majority, that is an unbroken chain.

When it's not, then you need a 2a to substantiate whatever is not recorded properly.

Correct-a-mundo. I had 17 years before retiring; I rejoined 3 years ago. I put in a 2a for my 20-year clasp this month.

Jack

Private Investigator · August 01, 2012, 09:48:16 AM

Quote from: ColonelJack on July 31, 2012, 02:27:45 AM
Quote from: Eclipse on July 31, 2012, 02:05:36 AM
Quote from: Private Investigator on July 31, 2012, 02:02:25 AM
Where in eServices does it say I have a Red Service Ribbon?

Join date minus today's date. For the vast majority, that is an unbroken chain.

When it's not, then you need a 2a to substantiate whatever is not recorded properly.

Correct-a-mundo. I had 17 years before retiring; I rejoined 3 years ago. I put in a 2a for my 20-year clasp this month.

Jack

That was from the time we had 14 year retirements? eServices is not always correct. I know a former Region Commander his record shows a start date of 1975 but he had service in the 1940s and 1950s prior.

I also know some "30" year members that ... well I guess the majority is for the 'honor' system. So I guess whatever then, I still like to see a 2a.

SarDragon · August 01, 2012, 06:47:36 PM

I have broken service. When I resumed participation after 10 years of pay, no play, my commander suggested that I get my record up to date. I dug out all the paperwork I could find at the time to document my years of membership, not being able to exactly recall when and how long the break was.

As I found more paperwork, I would submit another 2a to update my Red Service ribbon. My most recent submission got things all squared away, and the next will be a regular 5-year update, for 45 years.

My next task is to get all this documentation to NHQ in time for my 50 year membership.

Flying Pig · August 01, 2012, 06:54:56 PM

When I was a CC I used to remind members that I too have a job, a wife, 3 kids and limited brain power. I did all I could to be aware of my members and who they were. But if you rate something, or think you rate something, please fill out the paperwork, bring me the supporting documents and ASK me to do it. I know several members who would stew in the corner because they thought there was going to be some surprise medal awarding ceremony. We'll do a ceremony....... cool..... but I didnt have time to track everyones lives!