Medical Education and Training Campus NCSA

[pdjd7428]

Hello All:

I am writing to throw an idea past the "blogosphere" to see if my current project would attract potential attendees. A few weeks ago, I suggested to my boss (SWR/CC) that there should be a NCSA to introduce CAP Cadets to Military Medicine. The Commander thought the idea had merit, and the SWR/CV brought the idea to the National Cadet Programs Officer and he's on board. I suggested that CAP utilize the new tri-service Medical Education and Training Campus (METC) located at Ft. Sam Houston to hold an NCSA to showcase military healthcare. The METC is the new focal point of enlisted and officer medical training for the Armed Forces. Most military healthcare training facilities have been relocated to the new campus. I have had preliminary talks with the Associate Dean of Academics and the Operations Dept. at METC and they both support the idea.

What I'm trying to ascertain is, if this became an approved NCSA, do you think it would attract many cadets?

[HGjunkie]

You got me.

You also will probably get all the cadets who want to do more than first aid, don't want to go to HMRS and aren't old enough to do EMT stuff outside of CAP.

[Extremepredjudice]

I'd be interested...

[Eclipse]

As long as there isn't even a hint that it is more than orientation, sounds like an interesting idea.

As an FYI, it generally takes several years of success before national will consider anything as an NCSA, but it doesn't have to be that to attract a national audience.

[SarDragon]

Why not put something together on a Wing or Region level, at that facility, and see what kind of response it gets?

[Майор Хаткевич]

Why not put something together on a Wing or Region level, at that facility, and see what kind of response it gets?

^ +1

Before it can be an NCSA a curriculum needs to be developed. As Eclipse said, once the ball is rolling well for a few years, then it may be a sanctioned NCSA.

[PA Guy]

NCSAs are expensive propositions.  The vast majority must be vetted as wing or region programs with a well defined curriculum before NHQ will take a look at them.

First you must deterimine the goals and objectives of the program.  Is it an orientation to health care in general including the allied health professions?  Or do you want it to be a specific program leading to some kind of cert?  At what level do you want the students to be?  Should they be able to comprehend basic A&P, chemistry, math?  Remember, the NCSAs that are held on AF bases/facilities usually require the cadet to be a min. of 15 y/o.  Also, will the curriculum consider the restraints of CAPR 160-1 and not lead graduates to think they are going to be allowed to do something they aren't?

I would like to see a general orientation to health care including the allied health professions.  Have classes in A&P, medical terminology, psychology and show the sturdent what is required from an academic standpoint.  Maybe shadow some providers although that presents some real probs in terms of HIPPA, immunizations and MTF approval.  Instructors from the various fields demonstrating what their field is  all about.  Spend some time on the human patient simulators learnig vitals and how the body can vary in breath sounds, heart sounds, pulses etc.  I see it as a chance for career exploration in both civilian and military world.

[NC Hokie]

You need to get in touch with the people doing the Combat Control Orientation Course and pick their brains, as they're in the process of doing exactly what the previous four posts describe. Their website is www.capnc007.org/ccoc/usafccoc.html.

[sarmed1]

What I'm trying to ascertain is, if this became an approved NCSA, do you think it would attract many cadets?

There were over 100 cadets that applied to HMRS indicating the medic course as their first course choice this year (mostly NOT from PAWG)

Without getting into the debate that is brewing just below the surface on that one, I'd say that abstractly that is a good indicator that there are more than enough cadets out there that would be interested in a medical orientation NCSA.

Personally I would be on board with this idea as well.  Some thoughts: 
One of the complications I see (and have stumbled over myself in delusions of the same idea) is the medical field is such a huge field of differant specialties, sub specialties etc etc., how do you pick which ones to concentrate on with out making something that is just too "generic".  If going the NCSA type of route, Do you cater it to cadets thal already have some sort of medical pre-requisite or do you go from scratch? Do you provide them with some sort of "training" that has a real world use.... CPR, first aid, first responder
Trying to find a balance between "show and tell" and an orientation/famiirization that keeps them engaged and particpating without being to much of a "sit-in-the-classroom-and-get-lectured" is going to be the hardest part.

Also If looking to achieve NCSA status (and support) though FSH has a tri-service facility, I would court the USAF specific world (that whole USAF AUX thing....)  rather a "USAF Medical Service Orientation Course"

mk

[RADIOMAN015]

If it were me I'd concentrate on the Aeromedical Evacuation System and how it interfaces with the National Disaster Medical System during a natural disaster e.g.  large earthquake in CA.

It might even be possible to hold at three sites (west, central, & east) based upon where both Aeromedical Evacuation and Aeromedical Staging Squadrons are co-located.  Pope AFB is now where all the Aero Evac technicians are trained.

There's a lot involved in the system to make it run and perhaps cadets could get a taste of being an aeromedical technician and/or a medical administrative person (operating in control center), by having 4 days of training and than on the 5th day participating in an exercise.

RM

[COL Land]

Take a look at what the Sea Cadets are doing in this regard.   They have previously had some very good programs at both Bethesda and San Diego Naval Hospitals, providing Cadets with some great real-world training and exposure.   

[Cap'n]

Seeing as how I plan on entering a career in the medical field, while being an officer in the Air Force, I would be the first to sign up.

[Huey Driver]

I would enjoy going to an activity as such. Recently I've been looking at HMRS's Field Medic, and NESA's First Responder Courses.

[Glinski.655]

I think it would be an awesome idea. I would be down.

[sarmed1]

If it were me I'd concentrate on the Aeromedical Evacuation System and how it interfaces with the National Disaster Medical System during a natural disaster e.g.  large earthquake in CA.

It might even be possible to hold at three sites (west, central, & east) based upon where both Aeromedical Evacuation and Aeromedical Staging Squadrons are co-located.  Pope AFB is now where all the Aero Evac technicians are trained.

There's a lot involved in the system to make it run and perhaps cadets could get a taste of being an aeromedical technician and/or a medical administrative person (operating in control center), by having 4 days of training and than on the 5th day participating in an exercise.

RM

I was definetely thinking that AE would be one of the areas "covered"; in the scheme of USAF deployable medical components are also the EMEDS:  deployable hospital(so all specialties....RN,MD,Tech, admin, bio, pharmacy, lab etc), CASF: aeroemedical staging (same specialties).  We have a training site out at Camp Bullis (part of FSH) that trains all 3 including static aircraft platforms(C130 and KC135), ambualnce and ambus, buildable tent hospitals, patient simulators, clasrooms, large open bay barracks, messhall.

just a thought
mk

[pdjd7428]

In looking at concerns about content, this is what is in the works so far:

-2 Traning Phases (Combat/Emergency Medicine Phase, and Career Exploration Phase)
-1st Phase (BDU's): Learning basic Emergency and Combat Medicine techniques (Certification as National Registry of EMT's Emergency Medical Responder/68W Orientation/M9 Familiarization Fire)
-2nd Phase (Blues): Break Cadet Corps into smaller groups, rotate between different Allied Health areas at METC.

-Day 1: Inprocessing, Billeting, Classroom (Combat/Emergency Medicine)
-Day 2: Classroom (Con't)
-Day 3: Classroom (Con't)
-Day 4: FTX @ Camp Bullis
-Day 5: FTX (Con't)
-Day 6: Allied Health Career Exploration
-Day 7: Allied Health Career Exploration (Con't)
-Day 8: Allied Health Career Exploration (Con't)
-Day 9: Allied Health Career Exploration (Con't)
-Day 10: Examination, Graduation

[pdjd7428]

Regarding the 68W Orientation, the draft includes a tri-service Expeditionary Medic Orientaiton, since the METC is a tri-service training facility
-US Army Combat Medic (68W)
-US Navy Fleet Marine Force Hospital Corpsman (8404)
-US Air Force Expeditionary Medic

[sarmed1]

As an AF guy supporting the USAF AUX I dont see the likelyhood of the USAF commiting any money to support a NCSA that 2/3 of its initial training curriculum is dedicated to career exploration of the other services medical mission.


2cents
mk

[pdjd7428]

I understand the desire for a strictly USAF experience since we are the USAF AUX, but since METC is a fully integrated command (US Army Commandant, US Navy Vice-Commandant, US Air Force Command Chief) with mixed-service classrooms, it would be unrealistic to expect a sanitized, USAF-only experience. Instead of limiting the experience by utilizing an AF only environment, my fellow cirriculum planners and I are embracing the tri-service exposure.

[PA Guy]

While you may embrace the tri service concept you will have to convince NHQ.  They expect a lot of blue in their NCSAs.  Your course will have to have some academics to make it valid.  Not just a lot of show and tell.  And give a true view of the medical field, it isn't all about doing crics with a pocket knife and a ballpoint pen.  It is a lot of hard, hard study.